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post #2911 of 5542
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Originally Posted by otk View Post

if def tech specs are accurate, the STS should be easier to drive than the ones

sensitivity on the STS is 93db vs 92db on the ones


It goes beyond that. The STS has a built-in subwoofer and amp. The One does not, so it will soak up additional power on the low end compensating for that.
post #2912 of 5542
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Originally Posted by mrjktcvs View Post

It goes beyond that. The STS has a built-in subwoofer and amp. The One does not, so it will soak up additional power on the low end compensating for that.

If you are saying the one's will eat more power you are correct. The STS with the subwoofer relieves the receiver amp section or power amp of the task to drive the low end. How much that relief is depends on where the crossover is set.
post #2913 of 5542
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Originally Posted by Maddmaster View Post

If you are saying the one's will eat more power you are correct. The STS with the subwoofer relieves the receiver amp section or power amp of the task to drive the low end. How much that relief is depends on where the crossover is set.

With a dedicated sub, there really shouldn't be a difference in power draw between the One and STS correct? The STS will be slightly louder (higher efficiency) but aside from that they should be close. (assuming crossover for sub is same for both)
post #2914 of 5542
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Originally Posted by Pelly_NV View Post

How do the Mythos 2's sound for music in stereo? I'll be using a Rythmik F12 sub and am looking for something with a bit more oomph than the ProMonitor 800s that up up there right now (along with ProCenter 2000).

I know the PC2000 is 5.25", but the Mythos Two is the largest bookshelf they offer (I currently don't have floor space for towers).

Debating going with the Mythos Two now or waiting and pulling the trigger on Mythos Ones (or STS if I'm lucky!) once we move into a new place next spring.

I think the Mythos 2's sound great for music (I listen to music in DD PLIIx music listening mode, with the soundstage biased towards the front and the center spread to the L/R channels), but the only way to really tell how good they are is to hear a back-to-back comparison. The One's would sound better and the STS would sound better still. By how much? I don't know. If you get the Mythos 2's now, you'll have a presumably much better speaker for at least a year until you move. Once you move, you'll probably be wanting to spend money elsewhere on the new place. In 5-15 years, you can upgrade to something better than the STS.
post #2915 of 5542
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Originally Posted by Maddmaster View Post

I fried my Center Mythos 3 tonight. I am not sue if I want to replace it or upgade it to the Mythos 9 or 10. Any opinions? The fried Mythos 3 is still under warranty so that's the a good thing.

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Originally Posted by Maddmaster View Post

I was in a jamming mood and cranked the system pretty loud. The sound stayed crystal clear and never distorted. Next thing I knew the center channel was gone and the amp protection circuit had kicked in for that channel. I put one of my pld standby speakers in it's place until I replace or upgrade it.

It is a 7.1 setup with Mythos One's up front, Mythos Gems Side and Back Surrounds and A Def Tech Supercube Reference Sub. A Parasound HCA 806 drives the surrounds. The center channel is bridged (180 RMS @ 8 ohms). Fronts are driven by a Carver M1.0 mkII opt 2.

I'm a little surprised you were able to burn out the 3 -- it sounds like you were staying well within it's power specification ratings.

Anyway, to your question: I have Ones in the front and upgraded from a Mythos 3 to a Mythos 8 as a center and found there was a pretty big difference in real world use in terms of a more natural sounding center.

From everything I have read, the 9 sounds better than the 8 if you play them head to head, but the real world improvement as a center is real but not to the degree of going from the 3 to the 8. (Personally, I prefer the 8 because the OCD part of me likes the fact the drivers are identical to those in the Ones. If I had STS's I'd go for the 9 for the same sick reason )

MacFan24 recently upgraded from a Mythos 3 to a Mythos 9 (with STS fronts) so perhaps he can weigh in here as well.
post #2916 of 5542
I'm in the process of upgrading my home theater speakers and I'm very interested in the Def Tech Mythos Two speakers. I'd go with Mythos speakers all the way around, but this room is extremely challenging for fitting speakers.

Anyway, my question is whether these speakers would be a good combination:
Center = ProCenter 2000
L/R = Mythos Two
Surrounds = SpeakerCraft Aim5 Three
Sub = SuperCube III

I would love to go with the Mythos Three as a center, but it is about 1/2" too tall for my space. The limitations for a center channel are that it needs to be less than 5.125" tall OR less than 18" wide; or, in other words, I need tall and thin or short and fat.

Any other recommendations for speakers would be appreciated if they'll fit into this space. Since I'm spending the money, I'd like to make sure this is an upgrade over what I already have. (I am using the Polk RM6700 surround system with a Polk 8" sub.)

Also, I'm still reading through this thread - thanks for all the great info you guys have provided!
post #2917 of 5542
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Originally Posted by mvp2005fan View Post

I'm a little surprised you were able to burn out the 3 -- it sounds like you were staying well within it's power specification ratings.

Anyway, to your question: I have Ones in the front and upgraded from a Mythos 3 to a Mythos 8 as a center and found there was a pretty big difference in real world use in terms of a more natural sounding center.

From everything I have read, the 9 sounds better than the 8 if you play them head to head, but the real world improvement as a center is real but not to the degree of going from the 3 to the 8. (Personally, I prefer the 8 because the OCD part of me likes the fact the drivers are identical to those in the Ones. If I had STS's I'd go for the 9 for the same sick reason )

MacFan24 recently upgraded from a Mythos 3 to a Mythos 9 (with STS fronts) so perhaps he can weigh in here as well.

Thanks MVP. I will probably go with the 9 because I am looking very hard at moving out the one's and going with the STS. I also will use a different amp for the center. Maybe even a center of top and bottom of the screen.

My setup:
http://community.webshots.com/user/m...host=community
post #2918 of 5542
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Originally Posted by blSwagger View Post

I think the Mythos 2's sound great for music (I listen to music in DD PLIIx music listening mode, with the soundstage biased towards the front and the center spread to the L/R channels), but the only way to really tell how good they are is to hear a back-to-back comparison. The One's would sound better and the STS would sound better still. By how much? I don't know. If you get the Mythos 2's now, you'll have a presumably much better speaker for at least a year until you move. Once you move, you'll probably be wanting to spend money elsewhere on the new place. In 5-15 years, you can upgrade to something better than the STS.

Well, in the same manner I copied you with the BP 1.2x I just took the plunge and ordered a set of Mythos Twos. Thankfully, I was able to find a black pair for the same price as the sale I found earlier on the silver color. Bajawaverunner is my favorite person of the week.
post #2919 of 5542
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Originally Posted by Pelly_NV View Post

Well, in the same manner I copied you with the BP 1.2x I just took the plunge and ordered a set of Mythos Twos. Thankfully, I was able to find a black pair for the same price as the sale I found earlier on the silver color. Bajawaverunner is my favorite person of the week.

Nice! So now what's your current setup?
post #2920 of 5542
I'm going to be installing a pair of Mythos ST's in my living room and I have a question about the sub power connections. Would it be alright to plug them both into the same surge protector/power strip or should I separate them? There is already a 50" plasma TV (Panasonic) plugged into the one in question.
post #2921 of 5542
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Originally Posted by myrdraal0 View Post

I'm in the process of upgrading my home theater speakers and I'm very interested in the Def Tech Mythos Two speakers. I'd go with Mythos speakers all the way around, but this room is extremely challenging for fitting speakers.

Anyway, my question is whether these speakers would be a good combination:
Center = ProCenter 2000
L/R = Mythos Two
Surrounds = SpeakerCraft Aim5 Three
Sub = SuperCube III

I would love to go with the Mythos Three as a center, but it is about 1/2" too tall for my space. The limitations for a center channel are that it needs to be less than 5.125" tall OR less than 18" wide; or, in other words, I need tall and thin or short and fat.

Any other recommendations for speakers would be appreciated if they'll fit into this space. Since I'm spending the money, I'd like to make sure this is an upgrade over what I already have. (I am using the Polk RM6700 surround system with a Polk 8" sub.)

Also, I'm still reading through this thread - thanks for all the great info you guys have provided!

I have Mythos 2s for L/R and the PC2000, and I am very pleased. I've never heard of SpeakerCraft. I'd recommend a pair of BP1.2x for surround. I went with the Martin Logan Dynamo 700 subwoofer and I'm very impressed with the bass. It's the same MSRP as the SCIII, but it's 10" as opposed to 7.5". I haven't heard any great things about DT subwoofers.
post #2922 of 5542
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Originally Posted by bcuomo View Post

I'm going to be installing a pair of Mythos ST's in my living room and I have a question about the sub power connections. Would it be alright to plug them both into the same surge protector/power strip or should I separate them? There is already a 50" plasma TV (Panasonic) plugged into the one in question.

I have both of my STS's plugged into the same power conditioner as my 50" plasma, PS3, CD player, AntiMode, Apple TV, DVR and a wireless bridge without any problems.
post #2923 of 5542
^^^^^^
Thanks!
post #2924 of 5542
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Originally Posted by mvp2005fan View Post

I'm a little surprised you were able to burn out the 3 -- it sounds like you were staying well within it's power specification ratings.

Anyway, to your question: I have Ones in the front and upgraded from a Mythos 3 to a Mythos 8 as a center and found there was a pretty big difference in real world use in terms of a more natural sounding center.

From everything I have read, the 9 sounds better than the 8 if you play them head to head, but the real world improvement as a center is real but not to the degree of going from the 3 to the 8. (Personally, I prefer the 8 because the OCD part of me likes the fact the drivers are identical to those in the Ones. If I had STS's I'd go for the 9 for the same sick reason )

MacFan24 recently upgraded from a Mythos 3 to a Mythos 9 (with STS fronts) so perhaps he can weigh in here as well.

Well I took the plunge today and ordered the 8. When I looked at the spec's as far as the cabinet air volume the 8 is slightly larger. The other spec's are identical. So I was able to get the 8 for $497 on Amazon vs $799 for the 9. Plus as you said the drivers match the One's. My 3 was sent out for warranty repair today. Funny, the store tech tried to tell me it worked for him. I started laughing and told him to cover the tweeter and tell me if he heard anything. After that case closed. LOL
post #2925 of 5542
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Originally Posted by blSwagger View Post


Nice! So now what's your current setup?

Current setup:
ProCenter 2000
ProMonitor 800 F/R
BP 1.2x Rears
Rythmik F12 sub ( cannot say enough good things about this incredible sub! )
post #2926 of 5542
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Originally Posted by Pelly_NV View Post


Current setup:
ProCenter 2000
ProMonitor 800 F/R
BP 1.2x Rears
Rythmik F12 sub ( cannot say enough good things about this incredible sub! )

Obviously the Mythos Twos will replace those little 800s.
post #2927 of 5542
Hey guys, I'm new to the Mythos line and I'm hoping I could get some good advice here. I use the DefTech Outdoor AW6500's and have been pleased so I thought I would check out their indoor Mythos set for my theater.

My receiver is the Denon AVR 4810ci and I am considering the following set-up. What are your thoughts?

Center: Mythos Ten
L & R: Mythos One (no need for the subs in the ST Towers I think??)
Sub: SuperCube I
Rears: Gem XL's

If I go with the SuperCube I, then I am guessing I don't need the larger ST Towers? My room is a modest 15 x 20.

thanks everyone!
post #2928 of 5542
Space limitations require that I use small bookshelf speakers for my main fronts. If I go with Gems as my fronts, would the preferable center be the Three or the Nine? I don't mind paying the extra for the Nine if it will sound better and not overpower the Gems. By the way, my system will be used almost exclusivly for tv and movies (so clarity of dialogue is the key here) and I will be using a new Pioneer 1020 receiver. I will also get a sub eventually. Thanks.
post #2929 of 5542
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Originally Posted by HaleMoana View Post

Hey guys, I'm new to the Mythos line and I'm hoping I could get some good advice here. I use the DefTech Outdoor AW6500's and have been pleased so I thought I would check out their indoor Mythos set for my theater.

My receiver is the Denon AVR 4810ci and I am considering the following set-up. What are your thoughts?

Center: Mythos Ten
L & R: Mythos One (no need for the subs in the ST Towers I think??)
Sub: SuperCube I
Rears: Gem XL's

If I go with the SuperCube I, then I am guessing I don't need the larger ST Towers? My room is a modest 15 x 20.

thanks everyone!


While the Ten is undoubtedly a very fine speaker (I have not listened to it), the less expensive Eight has drivers that match the Ones. Use that money you save to deal with the fact that the GEM XLs require something to mount them on if you can't use a wall. That alone drove me to purchase a 2nd set of Ones instead, as it was actually less expensive (and much less of a hassle) for me to do so.

Yes, you are correct the the Towers have a built in subwoofer. My own preference is to go with a dedicated sub if you have enough room for it. I went with an Outlaw.
post #2930 of 5542
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Originally Posted by HaleMoana View Post

Hey guys, I'm new to the Mythos line and I'm hoping I could get some good advice here. I use the DefTech Outdoor AW6500's and have been pleased so I thought I would check out their indoor Mythos set for my theater.

My receiver is the Denon AVR 4810ci and I am considering the following set-up. What are your thoughts?

Center: Mythos Ten
L & R: Mythos One (no need for the subs in the ST Towers I think??)
Sub: SuperCube I
Rears: Gem XL's

If I go with the SuperCube I, then I am guessing I don't need the larger ST Towers? My room is a modest 15 x 20.

thanks everyone!

I run Mythos Ones, Mythos Eight, BP2X's and a reference sub and I couldn't be happier. I love the M1's and I really prefer to have passive mains. I have never done a A/B test between M1's and ST's, but I am sure they sound better with the subs in them. I would be curious to do a A/B test with the subs turned off in the ST's and see how mych better that different driver and tweeter sound. Anyhow I have heard the ST's and the low end doesn't compare to a dedicated subwoofer. I think def tech says the subs in the ST's compare to a supercube 1 and I say no! For the money you can get a set of M1's and a reference.. Like I said I have never done A/B test with M1's vs ST's w/o subs on.. but I love my set up.

I didn't know you couldn't hang gems on the wall, the BP surrounds are nice. Ones all around would sound nice but I prefer to have my rears higher up on the wall.
post #2931 of 5542
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Originally Posted by NewbieRob View Post

Space limitations require that I use small bookshelf speakers for my main fronts. If I go with Gems as my fronts, would the preferable center be the Three or the Nine? I don't mind paying the extra for the Nine if it will sound better and not overpower the Gems. By the way, my system will be used almost exclusivly for tv and movies (so clarity of dialogue is the key here) and I will be using a new Pioneer 1020 receiver. I will also get a sub eventually. Thanks.

I think the nine would be over kill and over bearing compared to the Gems. The 3 would be a good match. I have used the 3 as my center with One's as my front. I just ordered an 8 from Amazon for $497. My 3 is being repaired. I think I scrorched the crossover listening at super loud levels. Next thing I knew the amp protection circuit had kicked in and all I got was sound from the tweeter when it would reset. I will move the 3 in the bedroom when it gets back. I have been very happy with the 3 as other users here are.
post #2932 of 5542
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Originally Posted by Ascen5sion View Post

I run Mythos Ones, Mythos Eight, BP2X's and a reference sub and I couldn't be happier. I love the M1's and I really prefer to have passive mains. I have never done a A/B test between M1's and ST's, but I am sure they sound better with the subs in them. I would be curious to do a A/B test with the subs turned off in the ST's and see how mych better that different driver and tweeter sound. Anyhow I have heard the ST's and the low end doesn't compare to a dedicated subwoofer. I think def tech says the subs in the ST's compare to a supercube 1 and I say no! For the money you can get a set of M1's and a reference.. Like I said I have never done A/B test with M1's vs ST's w/o subs on.. but I love my set up.

I didn't know you couldn't hang gems on the wall, the BP surrounds are nice. Ones all around would sound nice but I prefer to have my rears higher up on the wall.

Gems can be hung on the wall. I have 4 of them mounted. They came with the brackets to hang them.

http://community.webshots.com/user/m...host=community
post #2933 of 5542
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Originally Posted by Maddmaster View Post

Gems can be hung on the wall. I have 4 of them mounted. They came with the brackets to hang them.

http://community.webshots.com/user/m...host=community


Link not working. I'd love to see your pics.
post #2934 of 5542
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Originally Posted by HaleMoana View Post

Link not working. I'd love to see your pics.

Try this one: http://community.webshots.com/user/maddmaster
post #2935 of 5542
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Originally Posted by Ascen5sion View Post

I run Mythos Ones, Mythos Eight, BP2X's and a reference sub and I couldn't be happier. I love the M1's and I really prefer to have passive mains. I have never done a A/B test between M1's and ST's, but I am sure they sound better with the subs in them. I would be curious to do a A/B test with the subs turned off in the ST's and see how mych better that different driver and tweeter sound. Anyhow I have heard the ST's and the low end doesn't compare to a dedicated subwoofer. I think def tech says the subs in the ST's compare to a supercube 1 and I say no! For the money you can get a set of M1's and a reference.. Like I said I have never done A/B test with M1's vs ST's w/o subs on.. but I love my set up.

I didn't know you couldn't hang gems on the wall, the BP surrounds are nice. Ones all around would sound nice but I prefer to have my rears higher up on the wall.

I didn't say you couldn't. As a renter, it was not an option for me.

DT does not make stands for the XL, at least they didn't last summer. They did tell me that technically, they will fit on stands made for the Gem, but they are not FTA (or whatever gov't agency regulates those things) approved because it is not stable enough.
post #2936 of 5542
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Originally Posted by NewbieRob View Post

Space limitations require that I use small bookshelf speakers for my main fronts. If I go with Gems as my fronts, would the preferable center be the Three or the Nine? I don't mind paying the extra for the Nine if it will sound better and not overpower the Gems. By the way, my system will be used almost exclusivly for tv and movies (so clarity of dialogue is the key here) and I will be using a new Pioneer 1020 receiver. I will also get a sub eventually. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Maddmaster View Post

I think the nine would be over kill and over bearing compared to the Gems. The 3 would be a good match.

Home Theater Mag did give the Nine high praise for it's dialogue clarity though.

Is there any chance of using Gem XLs instead of Gems? Gem XLs would probably hold their own better against the Nine. Then later, if more space become available, you could move the Gem (XLs) to surround duty and get a pair of STS for mains. Sorry if I'm a bit STS biased...
post #2937 of 5542
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Originally Posted by Pelly_NV View Post

Obviously the Mythos Twos will replace those little 800s.

lol, I figured that out on my own. So we have the same 5 channel setup! I got my subwoofer (Martin Logan Dynamo 700) through a store with a discount.
post #2938 of 5542
ABT is taking preorders of the TX-NR808, and I don't know if I should pay the extra $300 for SC-25. The 1.4 HDMI is future proof, but the SC-25 seems like a popular mix with the mythos.

I have 3.1 system (3 mythos 9 and PC12-NSD) in a 11x11 room.

Any suggestions?
post #2939 of 5542
Which one is generally considered better for 2-Channel Audio?

Thanks,

Josh
post #2940 of 5542
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Originally Posted by cdnbum88 View Post

Ok. Here are some pics.

Need to learn how to get this beast under control. Still learning the SMS-1 and turned on the AutoEQ and the whole basement was shacking, pretty freaking scary. Anything that was on the wall was moving.

Still running hot, but will learn to dial it in. Will listen to it this way with LFE only to the Submersive.

Then will try the 3 subs like Mantis recommended and see what that sounds like.







I am thinking of upgrading my Gems to the XL's. As you can see with the 4th picture my gems are right behind the coach. A simple 1-1 swap would be fine, but wondering if I could place the Gems on the table right behind the coach? They would be in front of the XL's by a few inches and lower unless I put them up on something. Since I don't really have the ability to move the Gems to mid point in the room setup, would this be good at all for 7.1? Also don't really have options to push the possible new XL's out beyond the couch either.

Your thoughts are welcomed.
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