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post #3151 of 5221
9/15/10 at 12:06am
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Originally Posted by cdnbum88 View Post

I have the same ST's L/R and center 10 and think is sounds great. I have Gems for now, but will upgrade to the XL's here soon.

I am sure all options would be good, again comes to matter of preference. If you can test them all on demo, then you can truly conclude yourself, but I think you would be happy with what you originially note.

Happy shopping.

Can't really test unfortunately where I am, but after a lot of looking around and getting feedback, I'm going to give the system I listed a try! Thanks for the feedback!
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post #3152 of 5221
9/15/10 at 12:10am
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Originally Posted by spike1073 View Post

Similar setup with STS Fronts GemXL surrounds and the Nine for the center. The Nine is the weak link for me, muddy dialogue, etc. Not happy with the center; just don't know what the solution is.

I'm not sure if a Ten would match your system (I suspect it would but I'm not positive), but your Nine still looks like a great speaker - it shouldn't really be muddy, especially according to some of its reviews... I hope you can sort it out - sounds like maybe a problem somewhere?
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post #3153 of 5221
9/15/10 at 12:12am
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Originally Posted by knightsabre7 View Post

I have the Ten for center and it's plenty strong with dialog, at least in my room. I felt the Three that I had previously was a little weak, but the Ten rocks! Yes, it's not 'full range', but Audyssey crossed it at 80Hz straight out of the box (which means it can go lower, but Audyssey rounds up to the nearest 10Hz). With some burn I'm sure it can dig even deeper. Below 80Hz is getting into the realm of 'non-directional sound' anyway, so you should be fine with a properly set up sub or subs.

Cool! I spoke to Definitive yesterday, and they confirmed what you're saying. It's not full range, but it doesn't need to be as (assuming I'm understanding correctly) if you set up the crossover and AVR right, the "extra" bass goes to the ST subs. So I'm quite a bit more comfy now - ordered the STs tonight. =)
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post #3154 of 5221
9/15/10 at 9:53am
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Originally Posted by spike1073 View Post

Similar setup with STS Fronts GemXL surrounds and the Nine for the center. The Nine is the weak link for me, muddy dialogue, etc. Not happy with the center; just don't know what the solution is.

Here's another thought. Try hooking up one of your GemXLs as the center. If it sounds muddy too then it's probably a receiver/setup/placement issue. If it sounds better, then maybe the your Nine has an issue. The Nine should definitely outclass the GemXL.
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post #3155 of 5221
9/15/10 at 11:19am
Few questions:

1. I've got a pioneer VSX 1120 receiver

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ep...120-K_Ver2.pdf

and I'm planning on getting two mythos twos for L/R and a mythos 10 for the center channel.

--Is there any reason to think that these speakers won't work well with the receiver. My only concern is that the receiver says "compatible with 8 ohms", which suggest to me that while it may work, it may not work great. Is this something I need to be concerned about.

--Is this a reasonable combination of speakers? Do I need to be worried that the Mythos ten will be too much for the Mythos twos. Should I get a mythos three to go with the twos instead. (I'm pretty fixed on getting the twos as L/R).
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post #3156 of 5221
9/15/10 at 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by elmanx View Post

Few questions:

1. I've got a pioneer VSX 1120 receiver

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ep...120-K_Ver2.pdf

and I'm planning on getting two mythos twos for L/R and a mythos 10 for the center channel.

--Is there any reason to think that these speakers won't work well with the receiver. My only concern is that the receiver says "compatible with 8 ohms", which suggest to me that while it may work, it may not work great. Is this something I need to be concerned about.

--Is this a reasonable combination of speakers? Do I need to be worried that the Mythos ten will be too much for the Mythos twos. Should I get a mythos three to go with the twos instead. (I'm pretty fixed on getting the twos as L/R).


You will be fine with the Pio, the Mythos are sensitive speakers and 8ohms so you will have no problems power them with the 1120.

I don't think the 10's will be too much as long as it is calibrated it should work just fine.
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post #3157 of 5221
9/15/10 at 4:01pm
I've been looking at a few places online to buy a pair of Mythos two speakers. One thing I'm wondering about is what color they are. When I look at the manufacturer's website it says that they're only available in gloss black. However, some of these sites sell them with a silver finish.

Is the silver finish a discontinued version?

Actually most of the photos I see online of these speakers have a silver finish (some are black though).
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post #3158 of 5221
9/15/10 at 4:12pm
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Originally Posted by elmanx View Post

I've been looking at a few places online to buy a pair of Mythos two speakers. One thing I'm wondering about is what color they are. When I look at the manufacturer's website it says that they're only available in gloss black. However, some of these sites sell them with a silver finish.

Is the silver finish a discontinued version?

Actually most of the photos I see online of these speakers have a silver finish (some are black though).

Yes, the silver finish has been discontinued. I have the Two's in black.
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post #3159 of 5221
9/15/10 at 6:54pm
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Originally Posted by elmanx View Post

I've been looking at a few places online to buy a pair of Mythos two speakers. One thing I'm wondering about is what color they are. When I look at the manufacturer's website it says that they're only available in gloss black. However, some of these sites sell them with a silver finish.

Is the silver finish a discontinued version?

Actually most of the photos I see online of these speakers have a silver finish (some are black though).

Check out Audiogon.
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post #3160 of 5221
9/15/10 at 8:11pm
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Originally Posted by kc8apf View Post

I don't see anything on their website about bi-polar ST's or anything in the Mythos line. Do you have a link?

http://www.definitivetech.com/Produc...eries2010.aspx
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post #3161 of 5221
9/15/10 at 8:59pm
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Originally Posted by otk View Post

http://www.definitivetech.com/Produc...eries2010.aspx

Ah, the mention of SuperTower is pretty subtle. I don't see any particular reason those would be a big step up from the Mythos ST. They'll be different, but not necessarily better.
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post #3162 of 5221
9/16/10 at 9:35am
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Originally Posted by kc8apf View Post

Ah, the mention of SuperTower is pretty subtle. I don't see any particular reason those would be a big step up from the Mythos ST. They'll be different, but not necessarily better.

They are $500 cheaper though.
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post #3163 of 5221
9/16/10 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by knightsabre7 View Post

They are $500 cheaper though.

yup. $1000 cheaper (for the pair) and you get more of the same drivers (extra tweeter and mid driver on the rear) and a better subwoofer (12" vs. 6x10 racetrack) with a larger subwoofer amp (455 watts vs. 300)

the extra money must be for the aluminum cabinet vs. MDF/sock/gloss caps





but i guess the proof will be in the sound. this is supposed to be a "new and improved" bi-polar design using only a single mid range on the back array instead of 2 & 2 like the old flagship
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post #3164 of 5221
9/16/10 at 2:24pm
Quick Mythos ST question.

Am I correct (from looking through past posts and running searches, etc.) that running speaker wire ONLY to the ST's and setting them to large will get great performance, but on a high-end receiver, running the LFE (STs still set to large) will give the receiver a bit more control to calibrate with (in my case, using MCACC)?

I probably wont' be using an audio level meter or anything - I'd like the reciever to do as much as possible. Speaker wire only would be simpler of course, but if LFE really has its advantages, I'm open to that also.

Thanks!
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post #3165 of 5221
9/16/10 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by sgupta View Post

Quick Mythos ST question.

Am I correct (from looking through past posts and running searches, etc.) that running speaker wire ONLY to the ST's and setting them to large will get great performance, but on a high-end receiver, running the LFE (STs still set to large) will give the receiver a bit more control to calibrate with (in my case, using MCACC)?

I probably wont' be using an audio level meter or anything - I'd like the reciever to do as much as possible. Speaker wire only would be simpler of course, but if LFE really has its advantages, I'm open to that also.

Thanks!

Yes, you are correct. Speaker wire only works extremely well. The LFE input is provided as an option and some room correction algorithms can do more accurate tuning of the low frequencies that way. I run mine with speaker wire only and have been extremely happy.
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post #3166 of 5221
9/16/10 at 8:05pm
Thanks! Great to know it sounds great with just the speaker wire. I may play with LFE to see what my receiver can do with it, but it's nice to have the option either way, especially since I'm rather new to speakers this high-end.
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post #3167 of 5221
9/20/10 at 3:20pm
Hello everyone, can someone give me some opinions on the Mythos Ten vs a decent "budget bookshelf", for example the Infinity Primus P162. I think the Infinity actually sounds very good, but I need wall mounted speakers. I've already tried the Monitor Audio R250, and I thought they're horrible. They sound exactly like the way they look -- tiny drivers with tiny enclosures.

So I'm wondering if the Mythos Tens are at least as good as "budget bookshelves". I'm skeptical because of their shallow enclosures. If they are indeed better, then that's a big bonus.

Am I crazy to go from $100 speakers to $900 speakers just so that I can wall mount them? I don't necessarily even expect better sound. But I would be very disappointed if they actually sound worse, considering I would have spent an extra $800 per speaker for the "upgrade".

I will be pairing them with an HSU VTF3-MK3 subwoofer and powered by an Onkyo TX-SR608.

Thanks for your opinions.
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post #3168 of 5221
9/20/10 at 8:52pm
I think your question is kind of like asking if chocolate is as good as vanilla.
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post #3169 of 5221
9/20/10 at 9:22pm
I think your question is a valid one, and there isn't a ton of comparisons of wall mounts to bookshelves.

I don't own the mythos, but the Era D4 is an excellent value and can be wall mounted.
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post #3170 of 5221
9/20/10 at 10:38pm
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Originally Posted by GMoney78 View Post

I don't own the mythos, but the Era D4 is an excellent value and can be wall mounted.

Thanks for the pointer. I found some favorable reviews for them, but I'm not sure they're suitable for wall mounting because they're rear-ported.
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post #3171 of 5221
9/20/10 at 11:03pm
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

I think your question is kind of like asking if chocolate is as good as vanilla.

I understand that speaker preferences are subjective, to a certain extent. That's why I'm asking for opinions. Also, I understand that wall mounted speakers (including the Mythos Tens) are constrained by their size and their close proximity to walls. But it's also possible that good design and materials can compensate for these disadvantages. And I'm hoping that the Mythos Tens are at least in the same ballpark as "budget bookshelves", considering they cost $800 more per speaker.

It sounds like you're saying ALL speakers are equally good and completely subjective, regardless of price. I find that hard to believe.
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post #3172 of 5221
9/21/10 at 8:16am
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Originally Posted by SectorZero View Post

I understand that speaker preferences are subjective, to a certain extent. That's why I'm asking for opinions. Also, I understand that wall mounted speakers (including the Mythos Tens) are constrained by their size and their close proximity to walls. But it's also possible that good design and materials can compensate for these disadvantages. And I'm hoping that the Mythos Tens are at least in the same ballpark as "budget bookshelves", considering they cost $800 more per speaker.

It sounds like you're saying ALL speakers are equally good and completely subjective, regardless of price. I find that hard to believe.

It would be cool if you could find a place to listen to them first, but I know that is not always easy. I think the Ten would sound really good as long as you don't crossed them over any lower than (60) recommended. I would crossed the Ten over at 80 and I bet you would get more clean and clear detail as well as output.
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post #3173 of 5221
9/21/10 at 9:49am
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Originally Posted by SectorZero View Post

I understand that speaker preferences are subjective, to a certain extent. That's why I'm asking for opinions. Also, I understand that wall mounted speakers (including the Mythos Tens) are constrained by their size and their close proximity to walls. But it's also possible that good design and materials can compensate for these disadvantages. And I'm hoping that the Mythos Tens are at least in the same ballpark as "budget bookshelves", considering they cost $800 more per speaker.

It sounds like you're saying ALL speakers are equally good and completely subjective, regardless of price. I find that hard to believe.

Having not heard the Infinity's I really can't say, but if a (properly set up) Ten can't best, if not crush, a budget bookshelf (at least in 60Hz and up) it'll be a sad day indeed for everyone in this thread.

There's a review of the Ten wall mounted here.
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post #3174 of 5221
9/21/10 at 2:43pm
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Originally Posted by SectorZero View Post

I understand that speaker preferences are subjective, to a certain extent. That's why I'm asking for opinions. Also, I understand that wall mounted speakers (including the Mythos Tens) are constrained by their size and their close proximity to walls. But it's also possible that good design and materials can compensate for these disadvantages. And I'm hoping that the Mythos Tens are at least in the same ballpark as "budget bookshelves", considering they cost $800 more per speaker.

It sounds like you're saying ALL speakers are equally good and completely subjective, regardless of price. I find that hard to believe.

I'm not saying they're equal. Just that it's highly subjective, and price doesn't always predict performance.

You said yourself that you tried the Monitor Audio's and you hated them. There are good reviews for them and many people like them.

I just think you should listen to them, that's all. And it's also half the fun...

Happy hunting!
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post #3175 of 5221
9/22/10 at 1:44pm
Unfortunately, I was laid off a few months back and now I am forced to sell my ST's. They're on craigslist in the Dallas/Fort Worth area, if anyone is interested.
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post #3176 of 5221
9/22/10 at 2:50pm
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Originally Posted by texasveteran View Post

Unfortunately, I was laid off a few months back and now I am forced to sell my ST's. They're on craigslist in the Dallas/Fort Worth area, if anyone is interested.

Sorry to hear that, good luck with the sale and hope you find something quick.
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post #3177 of 5221
9/23/10 at 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by SectorZero View Post

I understand that speaker preferences are subjective, to a certain extent. That's why I'm asking for opinions. Also, I understand that wall mounted speakers (including the Mythos Tens) are constrained by their size and their close proximity to walls. But it's also possible that good design and materials can compensate for these disadvantages. And I'm hoping that the Mythos Tens are at least in the same ballpark as "budget bookshelves", considering they cost $800 more per speaker.

It sounds like you're saying ALL speakers are equally good and completely subjective, regardless of price. I find that hard to believe.

Sector7 - I was in the same boat as you. I had my short list of reference bookshelf models narrowed down, then the wife got involved. She's neurotic about her floor space so I knew floorstanders were out. But when I showed her the bookshelf models I was considering, and the large mounting brackets that would make them protrude into the room, she shot down that idea too!!

So back to the drawing board to audition some slim on-wall models. I liked the Mythos Ten the best, as it seemed to have plenty of dynamics and extension to the lower midbass region. However, the unit I heard was in a custom TV stand & was far from the back wall. I bought 3 M10's, 4 Gems & a SC1, and couldn't wait to hear everything installed & hooked up! I must say I was pretty dissapointed. I think because they're right up against the wall now, their bass response is very different. Kinda thin on some frequencies, and overly "chesty" on others. I ran Audessey a few times on my AVR, and that seemed to help - but I still feel like I made a huge compromise over a good set of bookshelf models. Don't get me wrong - this is still an INCREDIBLE system for HT, but it's just not the kind of transparent midrange you need for accurate music reproduction.

I'm asking Santa to talk the wife into letting me rip these down & get some ST's for L/R! They have a pretty small footprint, and a nice sealed enclosure to let those 5 1/4' drivers work their magic. Not to mention adding some incredible low-end too. I heard a pair of these last week, and they gave me goosebumps!

TxVet - I may be bidding on yours in Audiogon - I'm in Austin & can drive up for 'em!
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post #3178 of 5221
9/23/10 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by Rockinrob1 View Post

Sector7 - I was in the same boat as you. I had my short list of reference bookshelf models narrowed down, then the wife got involved. She's neurotic about her floor space so I knew floorstanders were out. But when I showed her the bookshelf models I was considering, and the large mounting brackets that would make them protrude into the room, she shot down that idea too!!

So back to the drawing board to audition some slim on-wall models. I liked the Mythos Ten the best, as it seemed to have plenty of dynamics and extension to the lower midbass region. However, the unit I heard was in a custom TV stand & was far from the back wall. I bought 3 M10's, 4 Gems & a SC1, and couldn't wait to hear everything installed & hooked up! I must say I was pretty dissapointed. I think because they're right up against the wall now, their bass response is very different. Kinda thin on some frequencies, and overly "chesty" on others. I ran Audessey a few times on my AVR, and that seemed to help - but I still feel like I made a huge compromise over a good set of bookshelf models. Don't get me wrong - this is still an INCREDIBLE system for HT, but it's just not the kind of transparent midrange you need for accurate music reproduction.

I'm asking Santa to talk the wife into letting me rip these down & get some ST's for L/R! They have a pretty small footprint, and a nice sealed enclosure to let those 5 1/4' drivers work their magic. Not to mention adding some incredible low-end too. I heard a pair of these last week, and they gave me goosebumps!

TxVet - I may be bidding on yours in Audiogon - I'm in Austin & can drive up for 'em!

I haven't put them up on Audiogon. They're just on craigslist right now. I have to move them fast. Shoot me a PM if you want to make a deal. Thanks!
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post #3179 of 5221
9/23/10 at 5:16pm
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Originally Posted by Rockinrob1 View Post

I had my short list of reference bookshelf models narrowed down, then the wife got involved.

I know exactly what you mean. Look on the bright side. At least she buys into the "big boxes or big bucks" argument.

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I liked the Mythos Ten the best, as it seemed to have plenty of dynamics and extension to the lower midbass region. However, the unit I heard was in a custom TV stand & was far from the back wall. I bought 3 M10's, 4 Gems & a SC1, and couldn't wait to hear everything installed & hooked up! I must say I was pretty dissapointed. I think because they're right up against the wall now, their bass response is very different. Kinda thin on some frequencies, and overly "chesty" on others. I ran Audessey a few times on my AVR, and that seemed to help - but I still feel like I made a huge compromise over a good set of bookshelf models. Don't get me wrong - this is still an INCREDIBLE system for HT, but it's just not the kind of transparent midrange you need for accurate music reproduction.

I'm actually somewhat relieved to hear this because I think wall treatment is a workable solution. As long as the speakers themselves are not at fault.
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post #3180 of 5221
9/23/10 at 5:25pm
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

You said yourself that you tried the Monitor Audio's and you hated them. There are good reviews for them and many people like them.

Actually I couldn't find many reviews for the Monitor Audio R250. I bought it mainly because it's Monitor Audio and it's on sale at Amazon for only $100 each. I was hoping that Monitor Audio wouldn't put their name on speakers unless they're at least acceptable. While I completely agree that speakers are highly subjective, I also think there are certain objective measurements that's common to all good speakers, e.g. relatively flat response from 80Hz to 20Hz.

The Mythos Ten, on the other hand, received lots of positive reviews. However, most people use them as centers only. I want to use them for all 3 fronts.
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