Definitive Technology Mythos Series Thread - Page 145

You may want to give Goldenear Tech's Triton 2's a listen.... Full range speaker with powered sub section, getting rave reviews (founded by DT co-founder Sandy Gross...). Like the ST/STSs, also very easy to drive. And costs less than the Def Techs. (available as HT package or just the pair..)

Note, I think DT makes very good speakers for the money and have been happy, thrilled even, to own them. kf

Thanks. I was ready to buy the STS, but after the audition I decided to hold off. I may go back to listen one more time though. I'll take a look at the Goldenear speakers, since I'm not familiar with them.

Yea goldenear looks very interesting.

Anyone heard the Goldenear? I would like to compare them to the Mythos ST.

SO...

Got an email today from Baja...The 8080 center I bought Sunday...That was marked as shipped yesterday...Is out of stock.

Interesting how that happens...

I immediately pulled my ebay listing for my Ten off ebay...

Pretty unhappy.

It happens, keep your hopes up!!!

Yea I know, just frustrating is all. Especially when they say it's in stock, then mark it shipped...and they don't actually have it. I've been day dreaming at work about this speaker all week. Also my Mythos Ten was gauging some interest from buyers on ebay.

Oh well.

They said that they get shipments in every few weeks and that they would sell it to me for the sale price that ended Sunday when I ordered.

I heard them at the same place I bought my STSs from. I purchased the STSs prior to the release of the GoldenEars. I was not able to A/B the speakers as the dealer didn't carry the ST STSs when I listened to the GoldenEars, and I was there for another reason and just so happened to ask for an audition of the new speakers...I wasn't looking to upgrade from the STSs in other words. So it's hard (at least for me) to make worthwhile comparisons. The tweeter is getting raves, and did sound great. When I mentioned this to the store owner, he agreed, and said it was a great speaker. I mentioned that gee, should I be considering "upgrading" to the GoldenEars (only a year or so after getting the STSs....).. He said that the tweeter in the STS/ST was excellent as well, the best DT had ever made/sold,and the overall speaker, was excellent and that it probably wouldn't be worth getting, as outstanding as they are, the GoldenEars. Which was good to hear. I actually don't even think he's a DT dealer anymore in fact, but he had very hight praise for the ST/STSs and said these were the best speakers DT had ever made sound quality wise (and he has decades in the business, sells $10k tube amps, Thiel speakers etc, this isn't a kid in a Magnolia store inside BB....)

So that's not much help I suppose...Both are great sounding speakers in their price range, both are "full range", but for HT most will probably want to cross them to their sub(s) at 40-60 hz, both have relatively small footprints (Mythos are smaller, GE are deeper in that regard, both come in any color you want (as long as that color is black, they don't make silver mythos anymore, do they?) Both are efficient, easy to drive, if you don't want or have separates/external amps, this is a plus...At $2500 the GE may be the better value though. Don't know about customer service or long term reliability of the GE as it's a new company, and could conceivably go out of business (doubt it, but DT has proven record for customer service and should outlast your warranty...). Just some thoughts...kf

I'm in the process of replacing my dented tweeters on my Mythos ST's now. Bajawaverunner was great and shipped them to me very promptly!

Unfortunately, I wasn't paying close attention and I've now forgotten how the tweeters were wired.

I believe the red-colored prong is the positive terminal and the bare prong is negative, but I can't remember which wire from the crossover is which. Green or Yellow?

Anybody know?

Red is normally positive. I am also willing to bet you that if you look closely one connector is slightly smaller than the other to avoid getting them mixed up.

I could always open up my ST's and verify if you need me to... But typically ones smaller than the other. Let me know and I'll tear into it if needed.

That's generous of you to offer!

Both prongs are the same size, so unfortunately I do need someone to take a look.

I would like to know which color wire (green or yellow) goes to the red painted tweeter lead. And also, which side of the speaker is the red lead on - or in other words, which wire is the one that reaches across to the other side of the crossover.

Thank you!

I am looking for a center that needs to under 6 inches, and I really want to keep the price below $300. The Mythos 3 is on sale at an online store for a short time within that price. For my requirements, and without spending lots of time looking for used equipment, is this about the best I can do? Thanks

Why don't you ask Chet?

Here ya go...

Install your tweeter with the red post on the left side as viewed from looking directly at the front of your tower. The yellow wire goes to the red post and will come from the right side of your crossover. Route the yellow wire in between the crossover and speaker magnet space. The green wire will drop down off the crossover to the right side of the speaker ( non red post ).... Remember this is viewed as if your looking at your tower speakers before putting your screwdriver to them. Hope that makes sense... If not.... I'll try to reiterate...

I have a full Mythos 5.1 system, but I was reading the new Sound + Vision review of the Mythos XTR-SSA3 sound bar (a right/center/left all-in-one), and came across this:

(I slightly re-phrased) "The tweeters for the left and right speakers are 32" apart, nowhere near enough distance to get a decent stereo image. To help the sound break free of the little bar, Definitive employed its Spatial Array Technology, which sends a filtered, phase- inverted signal from the left into the right channel, and vice-versa. In essence, it prevents your left ear from hearing the direct sound of the right speaker, and your right ear from hearing the left."

Has anyone heard this? When I read this description, all I can think is "Yuck!". I love Definitive and I suppose this is what they had to do to support a L/C/R product like this, but this seems pretty yucky to me.

Makes perfect sense - thank you!

Hey guys,

A few threads earlier i had posted about the problems I am facing with the sound quality of my Mythos ST, and the members of the forum helped me identify that the the problem lies with the AVR and not with the speakers. I was using an Onkyo TX-SR604, the AVR did not have enough amp power and various audio decoders to get the better out of the Mythos ST.

Finally i am pulling the plug off the stoneage onkyo i have, and replace it with a new receiver.
I have a 7.1 setup consisting of Fronts Mythos ST, Center Mythos 10, Surround Rear Gem XL's, Rear is ProMonitor 1000.
I have a THT as a subwoofer, its a monster sub and i love it.
I am confused about getting an AVR such as a Pioneer Elite SC series, or an AVR capable of EQ'ing the subwoofer for room correction such as the Denon 4311CI.

I have read favourable reviews about both the Pioneer Elite SC series (the current one SC-57), and the Denon 4311CI series as well.
However once in a while i do come accross threads where members post that Mythos ST shines with the Pioneer Elite SC series, and that no other reciever gets the best from the Mythos ST, cos of the IceAmps/Class D amps.
Is this true??

If i have to get a pioneer SC series, i wil have to spend additional 400 dollars to get a subwoofer eq'ing and room correction tool such as the AntiMode or SMS-1 (prefer the AntiMode).
But with Denon 4311CI having the MultEQ XT32 mode, i can save 400 dollars.. cos 4311ci and the sc-57 is almost the same price (with the newegg deal on 4311ci)

But if the Pioneer SC eq's the Mythos ST speakers really good.. and sounds better than Denon, i can force myself and wife to let me pull out addl 400 dollars, but who likes to waste money.

If 3d isn't a factor you could also look at the pioneer Sc37 & 27.

No, 3D is not a factor to me. Is the SC-37 superior to SC-57 in terms of sound quality? if not,.. and its just the 37 will be cheaper than the 57, then i am ok with 57, as i would like to be using this reciever for next 3-4 years, and would like to have a newest model avr. I also love the AirPlay for Ipad in the 57 series. Why not get a new model, against the previous years model if the prices are almost the same?

Again, if the sound quality is the same, i am still debating between MultiEQ XT and the sound quality SC-57.

I have found the 57 for cheaper than the 37... 57 has some newer features and both pass through 3D anyways... It really comes down to if you want MCAAC or Audessy... I have an SC-37 myself... Bought it last year. It's great overall, but my next receiver or pre-pro setup will definitely be XT32 pro.... As I will be running more than one sub by that time. Plus I hear XT32 does a better job at the eq level than any other thing on the market. Just my opinion of course.

I have the denon 4311ci. Have had it powering my mythos st system and is now powering my bp7000's. IMHO it was perfect match for the st system. The audesseyxt32 works as advertised. Also smoothed my dual sc references in my listening area. I also have heard great things about the pioneer. You should be able to demo both as they are both ver popular. I just happen to love my denon. 140w/ch. Never runs hot or even warm after a heavy workout and that's without the ice amps. Great on screen GUI. Again perfect fo st system. Now that it is powering my bp7000 based system I think I will be moving towards separates in the future. Had the integra in the past as well - also a great receiver but after having both I prefer denon. Silly point but I prefer the blue LCD illumination on display vs yellow on pioneer as well.

I think you're placing way too much emphasis on the "sound quality" of the amp. Your speakers and room play a MUCH larger role in what you hear than the difference between a Denon and a Pioneer.

Both receivers are excellent and have more than amply power to drive your Mythos system. Choose the receiver that has the features you want.

Pls correct me if i am wrong, but isn't the entire point of IceAmps/Class D amps from the pioneer to be about sound quality. That being said, people here on mythos thread favour the Pio SC series with the Mythos ST speakers.. that being said, they sound really good as compared to other receivers.
is this statement true?

Manufacturers aren't moving towards Class D because they "sound better" (whatever that means).

Class D amps are the way of the future because they are smaller, cheaper, and more efficient.

I doubt if most people could consistently identify a Denon vs. a Pioneer in a double-blind test. And again, whatever small differences you can detect will not necessarily be better vs. worse. And whatever subtly identifiable signature either one might possess will be rendered completely irrelevant once you put it in your room with your system, with your furniture, curtains, carpeting, doorways, windows, etc.

Just my opinion, but I think there are much more important details to sweat over than the logo on your amp.

Cool, makes sense, thanks for that info.
What abt THX. I hear THX Ultra sounds really good.. 4311ci lacks THX feature... whereas sc-57 has the ultra thx feature.
Does the thx sound really matter, is it really that good?

I'm probably not the best person to answer, but I have always stuck with DTS and Dolby just because I never heard that big of a difference.

From what I have gathered the main thing you want to look at in a receiver is what sort of processing it does like mentioned above, Audyssey MultEQ XT32 vs others. And of course if you want 3D, network connectivity, etc.

When I got my Onkyo 809 I was mainly attracted to the MultEQ XT (not 32...wish I had the money for that), the hqv vida video processor which says it can do 4k, the ISF video calibration....And honsestly, I have only really noticed the difference between lesser Audyssey types and the MultEQ XT. Everything else is just extras. I thought that the 140w per channel may be good enough, but I ended up buying an amp anyways.

THX and THX Ultra are licenses that manufactures apply for. It says that their products meet the spec's of THX and THX Ultra and that's mainly for movies.

As far as Receivers I agree with Palmfish. Buy the one that has the features you are looking for. Where I differ in opinion is power. I prefer separates instead of Receivers for several reasons which I won't go into unless asked. However, I will say that if the Receiver in a system goes down, you have lost your system until it is repaired or replaced. Using separates there are work arounds that let you still listen to music and watch movies. I have been where Palmfish, you and many others on this forum swearing by Receivers. Separates do cost more and as Palmfish posted awhile back, there is a such thing as diminishing returns, so spend your money wisely.

FantaXP7, I have to ask, what Amp and model did you buy? Did it make a difference in how the system performed and sound?

I have an Emotiva XPA-5. I do like the improvement in sound. This is my first amp so it is hard for me to compare. I will say though I didn't full realize how much distortion I had until adding the amp, it was like it cleaned everything up especially at higher volumes.

It also helped me realize just how much my room is effecting my sound. I was hoping that it would clear some other issues out, but again having my setup in my basement presents some challenges.