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post #481 of 5241
4/15/09 at 6:29pm
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Originally Posted by mvp2005fan View Post

Hi, Teebiz: deep extension = greater ability to play low bass notes/sounds. One of the best ways to test this BTW, is to play a DVD or Blu-ray that has a low male voice speaking--will give you an idea of how natural this center will sound with low dialogue. They say that it is easy to pick out when a human voice doesn't sound quite right.

Thanks alot MVP! I think I've made my decision....Mythos 8 it is. Later down the road, I too don't want to regret not getting it. Plus its probably a good idea to throw the extra cash into "the most important speaker" in a system.
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post #482 of 5241
4/15/09 at 7:47pm
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Originally Posted by styx1 View Post

I'm having the same debate ST vs STS.... unfortunately my local dealer only has the STS set up, and driving up to Ann Arbor or Detroit finds dealers only with the ST set up..... so I can't really listen to both side by side.

I have some questions as to which speaker in what room size.

The speakers will be set up in the basement replacing what is already there. The basement is divided front to back by a half wall with a pool table in the back half. The HT is in the front section. The front room size is 19.5 feet wide however the one side is an open stairway .... it is about 16 feet wide to the stairway but as I stated the stairway is open to the room. The "sweet spot" is about 7 feet back from the front speakers/screen (about 9 feet back from the front wall). The surrounds are about 12 feet from the front wall (five feet behind the sweet spot). The rear surrounds are 26 feet from the front wall. It is a 7.1 system. I have a Yamaha RX-V2700 and have balanced it out with the included mic (and then tweaked it).

The speakers (ST or STS) would be about 9 feet apart... with me sitting about 7 feet in front of them. This would be the set up for 2 channel listening.... the multichannel seating is the same but obviously the surrounds fill in the back and side.

What size room would you consider this? If you only consider the front section it is probably a medium size room (16' wide x 13'deep). Would the ST's be too large for this area.

BTW the surrounds are 6 BP2's and the center is a C1. I have an Infinity SSW-212 (twin 12" subs with 1,000w amp). I can keep the sub in the system if needed.

Any opinions on ST vs STS for this setup?

Both speakers just to tell you are amazing. What you have heard from the STS , just take it a bit further with the ST. I am on the fence on which model I want myself. I get to hear them all I want as I work for a Def Tech dealer.
In my opinion I think the STS would be a better choice for your room. I don't think you wil need that sub, but if you did need more bass, I suggest a supercube instead of your current sub.

Good luck and let us know what you do,

Dan
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post #483 of 5241
4/15/09 at 8:19pm
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Originally Posted by Mantis10 View Post

Both speakers just to tell you are amazing. What you have heard from the STS , just take it a bit further with the ST. I am on the fence on which model I want myself. I get to hear them all I want as I work for a Def Tech dealer.
In my opinion I think the STS would be a better choice for your room. I don't think you wil need that sub, but if you did need more bass, I suggest a supercube instead of your current sub.

Good luck and let us know what you do,

Dan

Thanks.... too bad you are not closer so I could check out your store.

Likewise, let me know what you choose.
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post #484 of 5241
4/16/09 at 7:41am
Mantis 10,

Do you like the supercube subs over others or is it just in this case.
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post #485 of 5241
4/16/09 at 7:55am
Coming from someone who used dual SC II's, I will say that they pack a LOT of power. My only gripe with them is they lack articualtion, and can be a little "throaty".

What kind of budget are you looking at for a sub (the Trinity is pretty retarded)?
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post #486 of 5241
4/16/09 at 9:02am
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Originally Posted by styx1 View Post

...The speakers (ST or STS) would be about 9 feet apart... with me sitting about 7 feet in front of them....What size room would you consider this? If you only consider the front section it is probably a medium size room (16' wide x 13'deep). Would the ST's be too large for this area...

We traditionally use the term "room size" as a shorthand, but actually it's the distance from the speakers to the listening area that is key (except for subwoofers). I've noticed that THX has changed its amplification recommendations to reflect distance after using "room size" for many years.

As it turns out, your seating distance and speaker arrangement are almost exactly like mine, and your main listening area is about the same too. The STS's work very well for me. I have not for one moment regretted choosing them over the ST's. However, there is no such thing as well designed speakers being "too large" for the space (except physically), and if you like the idea of having lots in reserve for some occasion when you might use your entire space for listening, I'm sure you would be delighted with the ST's.

Because low bass is affected by overall room volume, you might have to turn up the bass amps in your ST/STS a bit more than many of us if you run them full range, but you should have plenty in reserve anyway. I'd probably keep your present subs for LFE, but you can easily experiment to find whether you prefer the sound of the ST/STS alone.
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post #487 of 5241
4/16/09 at 11:22am
I finally got my Mythos system up and running (Don’t even ask MVP, as soon as I can, I will post pics).

Two ST
One Ten,
Two Gem XLs,
2 UWI BP/A

It’s all going through a Yamaha RX-Z7.

Too soon to analyze everything. It’s a bit overwhelming setting everything up. The person who helped me set it up insisted I run the additional cables to the ST for the Sub Woofer and setting up the receiver as “with subs.” My previous system was with BP 2006s with just one set of cables per speaker. I have no idea which way is better. I have read here that some do it this way but most prefer setting it up as no sub in the receiver.

The speakers sounded better in the showroom. This will soon be remedied because the room they are in is bare all of the way around. I haven’t brought in the furniture, window treatments, area rugs, etc. I’m sure the acoustics will improve. The towers are further apart then they should be. I will try to position them better after I settle in. Don’t misunderstand, they are awesome. I just need to tweak things.
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post #488 of 5241
4/16/09 at 12:32pm
Very nice, LL3HD. Congratulations on a top notch system. I'm sure they won't disappoint once you give them an acoustical setting the gives them a fighting chance.
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post #489 of 5241
4/17/09 at 7:40am
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Originally Posted by LL3HD View Post

I finally got my Mythos system up and running (Don't even ask MVP, as soon as I can, I will post pics).

Hi, LL3HD:

Awesome! Many congrats--I know it's been a long time coming for you, and I'm glad it's coming to fruition.

PS: See, I didn't even ask!
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post #490 of 5241
4/17/09 at 7:50am
Hi folks, I was just wondering if anybody installed their mythos gems xl on the ceiling. I do not have backwall. The area behind the sofa is a big open area. I would like to hear opinion which is better: installing the speaker on the ceiling or installing it on the side wall behind the listening area.
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post #491 of 5241
4/17/09 at 8:13am
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Originally Posted by rotelmania View Post

Hi folks, I was just wondering if anybody installed their mythos gems xl on the ceiling. I do not have backwall. The area behind the sofa is a big open area. I would like to hear opinion which is better: installing the speaker on the ceiling or installing it on the side wall behind the listening area.

Hi, rotelmania:

As you know, the Gems were not originally intended to fire straight downwards, so if it were me, I would suggest mount them on the sidewalls directly to the side of the listening area (or within about 110 degrees) if possible to get the intended bipole effect. (I don't know if there are any ceiling mounts that are big enough to allow you to mount the Gems and still have them firing straight accross.)

Alternatively, have you considered using one of the Def Tech in-ceiling speakers? I have the UIW RSSII's and they work very well with the Mythos line. (they share the same drivers as the Ones).
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post #492 of 5241
4/17/09 at 9:03am
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Originally Posted by mvp2005fan View Post

Hi, rotelmania:

As you know, the Gems were not originally intended to fire straight downwards, so if it were me, I would suggest mount them on the sidewalls directly to the side of the listening area (or within about 110 degrees) if possible to get the intended bipole effect. (I don't know if there are any ceiling mounts that are big enough to allow you to mount the Gems and still have them firing straight accross.)

Alternatively, have you considered using one of the Def Tech in-ceiling speakers? I have the UIW RSSII's and they work very well with the Mythos line. (they share the same drivers as the Ones).

Does anyone know if side mount speakers that are designed to bounce off rear wall work when the rear wall is 20 feet behind listening area?
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post #493 of 5241
4/19/09 at 11:14am
hello,
I'm just getting started putting a system together and am looking for some opinions. I have set of gem as side sourrounds and a denon 3808 receiver. My question is for about the same price i could purchase 2-sts and a nine for center, or 3-nines L/C/R and an svs PB13-Ultra. What would some of you suggest as the better way to go. About 80% movies,tv and 20% music.
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post #494 of 5241
4/19/09 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by daved71 View Post

hello,
I'm just getting started putting a system together and am looking for some opinions. I have set of gem as side sourrounds and a denon 3808 receiver. My question is for about the same price i could purchase 2-sts and a nine for center, or 3-nines L/C/R and an svs PB13-Ultra. What would some of you suggest as the better way to go. About 80% movies,tv and 20% music.

Both systems would give you incredible sound but If you can go floor standing, the STS are incredible. The built in subs are very nice. Having 2 subs will give you nice even coverage. They can be tuned correctly for 2 channel as well. Very nice.

I think the all 9 fronts would be special but I would change the sub to a Supercube. The supercubes got mad output and room filling bass. Just one will fill a room better then most single subs. I still prefer 2 subs in any system but if I had to have just one, A supercube would be the one. The Reference is sick nasty Bro. I love that sub. They are surprisingly musical as well.

Dan
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post #495 of 5241
4/19/09 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by daved71 View Post

hello,
I'm just getting started putting a system together and am looking for some opinions. I have set of gem as side sourrounds and a denon 3808 receiver. My question is for about the same price i could purchase 2-sts and a nine for center, or 3-nines L/C/R and an svs PB13-Ultra. What would some of you suggest as the better way to go. About 80% movies,tv and 20% music.

I'd say it depends on your priorities. I have about the same movie/music ratio as you, but I bought STS's because the the quality of the music part was very important to me, even though it is a minority of my usage. I am delighted with them for both movies and music.

If you favor action/sci-fi/horror genre's that create a great deal of their impact from extremely low, sometimes infrasonic bass, then the Nines/Ultra route is the way to go. You won't beat the Ultra for high quality, bone crunching bass at anywhere near its price. And the combination would be no slouch for music, either. It does employ the same mid/tweeter module that is the heart of the STS, after all.

My approach was to combine the STS's with SVS subwoofers, but that would exceed your budget (as recommendations here often do). However, if that sort of thing might be a future consideration, it would be more cost effective to start with STS's and add a sub when you are ready, rather than upgrade the fronts later. The STS's won't give you Ultra quality bass, but they will more than hold their own with the majority of moderately priced subs on the market, and keep you happy until you are ready to upgrade to a "heavy hitter."
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post #496 of 5241
4/19/09 at 5:49pm
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Originally Posted by daved71 View Post

hello,
I'm just getting started putting a system together and am looking for some opinions. I have set of gem as side sourrounds and a denon 3808 receiver. My question is for about the same price i could purchase 2-sts and a nine for center, or 3-nines L/C/R and an svs PB13-Ultra. What would some of you suggest as the better way to go. About 80% movies,tv and 20% music.

Hi! I agree with MacFan24--if money was no object, I'd go STS along with a separate sub or two.

With that in mind, I would recommend going Mythos 9's L/C/R, SVS ULTRA and use your Gems for the side surrounds. You would get more truly brutal bass with the Ultra as opposed to the STS, and still have a great, seamless front stage.

When you are ready to upgrade, you could purchase two STS's for the fronts and move the 2 Mythos 9's to be the rear surrounds. This would give you a nice hybrid 4 surround speaker array for 7.1 (this is similar what I have, and I really like having a mix of direct radiators in the back for localization and the bipoles on the sides--ala the Dolby recs)

With much respect to others, IMHO, I think the SVS Ultra will give more bang for the buck bass than many subs. I believe the only supercubes that can come close are the Supercube Reference and the Supercube Trinity, but they cost a bunch. Another option you might consider is 2 SVS PC-12's or PB-12's instead of a single Ultra--you get a bit more headroom and 2 subs can help solve some room problems if calibrated well. (Of course, 2 Ultras would be even cooler )

I do agree that it's hard to go wrong either way you decide to go. Good luck and have fun!
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post #497 of 5241
4/19/09 at 6:08pm
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Originally Posted by Murray1 View Post

Mantis 10,

Do you like the supercube subs over others or is it just in this case.

I would say in this case. Not all subs are created equal. Some are extremely musical while others play movies and give up on music. Some say they should be able to do both , I agree but not many out there can please everyone.

In general I like a musical sub. I currently own a Dynaudio Sub 500 which is very musical but I feel It lacks "Depth Charge" abilities. It plays to 18hz but it's clean and clear not slam and Boom. So it's a personal choice.

The Supercubes are a pretty good mix between music and movies. But I feel movies are there speciality. My Dynaudio sub is much better for music.

Dan
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post #498 of 5241
4/19/09 at 6:10pm
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Originally Posted by rotelmania View Post

Hi folks, I was just wondering if anybody installed their mythos gems xl on the ceiling. I do not have backwall. The area behind the sofa is a big open area. I would like to hear opinion which is better: installing the speaker on the ceiling or installing it on the side wall behind the listening area.

ever consider in ceiling speakers?
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post #499 of 5241
4/19/09 at 6:28pm
Anyone with the Mythos STS System feel the built in SW is enough, or aye ya feeling an additional SW is needed. For someone like myself who doesnt feel alot of bass is totally necassary, I was hoping the built ins would do the trick.
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post #500 of 5241
4/19/09 at 7:56pm
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Originally Posted by mvp2005fan View Post

Hi! I agree with MacFan24--if money was no object, I'd go STS along with a separate sub or two.

With that in mind, I would recommend going Mythos 9's L/C/R, SVS ULTRA and use your Gems for the side surrounds. You would get more truly brutal bass with the Ultra as opposed to the STS, and still have a great, seamless front stage.

When you are ready to upgrade, you could purchase two STS's for the fronts and move the 2 Mythos 9's to be the rear surrounds. This would give you a nice hybrid 4 surround speaker array for 7.1 (this is similar what I have, and I really like having a mix of direct radiators in the back for localization and the bipoles on the sides--ala the Dolby recs)

With much respect to others, IMHO, I think the SVS Ultra will give more bang for the buck bass than many subs. I believe the only supercubes that can come close are the Supercube Reference and the Supercube Trinity, but they cost a bunch. Another option you might consider is 2 SVS PC-12's or PB-12's instead of a single Ultra--you get a bit more headroom and 2 subs can help solve some room problems if calibrated well. (Of course, 2 Ultras would be even cooler )

I do agree that it's hard to go wrong either way you decide to go. Good luck and have fun!


Thanks for your opinions

The 9's L/C/R and the ultra was my original thought, as I could do floor stands but wanted to stay with wall mounted speakers for a cleaner look.
My major concern was how they would be musically. Would there be a lack of mid base? if there is such a thing
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post #501 of 5241
4/20/09 at 8:59am
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Originally Posted by daved71 View Post

Thanks for your opinions

The 9's L/C/R and the ultra was my original thought, as I could do floor stands but wanted to stay with wall mounted speakers for a cleaner look.
My major concern was how they would be musically. Would there be a lack of mid base? if there is such a thing

I think you'd find the Nines would have plenty of mid bass. You'd probably cross them over at 80Hz, so the Ultra would be handing most of the bass load anyway.

IMO, what makes a sub "musical" is how well it is integrated with the mains (which, of course, is where the built-in STS sub has an advantage) and the absence of unruly frequency response peaks. Both of these are room dependent, too. The Ultra has numerous controls to help with both, though, and with a bit of patience and effort you should be able to achieve an outstanding result with the Nine/Ultra combination.
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post #502 of 5241
4/22/09 at 12:52pm
I'm thinking about pulling the trigger and buying the Mythos ST fronts, Mythos 10 center, and Mythos XL Gems as surrounds. My receiver is a Denon 3808CI. I'd like to hear from owners of this setup and get your thoughts on it. Are you 100% happy with this setup? Any downsides to it? Is there any other system under $4,000 that is better than this one? Thanks in advance for your input.
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post #503 of 5241
4/22/09 at 1:47pm
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I'm thinking about pulling the trigger and buying the Mythos ST fronts, Mythos 10 center, and Mythos XL Gems as surrounds. My receiver is a Denon 3808CI. I'd like to hear from owners of this setup and get your thoughts on it. Are you 100% happy with this setup? Any downsides to it? Is there any other system under $4,000 that is better than this one? Thanks in advance for your input.

This is a great sounding system. I highly recommend it. My system is similar except instead of the Denon I went with the Yamaha RX-Z7. They’re similar.

I also have the UIW BP/As (in walls) as the 6 and 7 rear surround speakers. In retrospect, I should have skipped the rear surrounds and stuck with a 5 channel set up replacing the Gem XL’s with two more Tens.

The Tens are an excellent compliment to the ST towers and is an awesome center channel. I would love to see (and hear) them in the corners of my room as the surrounds, though I know my wife likes the svelte look of the Gem XLs.
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post #504 of 5241
4/22/09 at 2:40pm
I just ordered my center Ten and then will go from there. I have the Gems in route and then next will be the receiver from my old old Sony DE925 to a Denon 3808ci.

I was thinking of when I save up for more speakers I would take and get two more Ten's for wall mounting. I have a Dahlquist 15" sub now, so I have 'decent' bass covered I think.

My question is the last few posts are recommending STS' and floor standing models. Are the Tens LCR not recommended? Can I mix L/R's with lower versions to save some money? Nine, eight?

Thoughts?
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post #505 of 5241
4/23/09 at 1:02am
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Originally Posted by cdnbum88 View Post

I just ordered my center Ten and then will go from there. I have the Gems in route and then next will be the receiver from my old old Sony DE925 to a Denon 3808ci.

I was thinking of when I save up for more speakers I would take and get two more Ten's for wall mounting. I have a Dahlquist 15" sub now, so I have 'decent' bass covered I think.

My question is the last few posts are recommending STS' and floor standing models. Are the Tens LCR not recommended? Can I mix L/R's with lower versions to save some money? Nine, eight?

Thoughts?

You can absolutely use the Ten's as L/C/R. They have the same drivers as the ST's. You would need a good sub with them, but I suspect they would sound great, and would have a very cohesive soundstage.

In terms of mixing the 8, 9, 10's--they are voiced the same, so you could theoretically mix/match.

If I had the cash, I still think I would rather have all of the same 3 speakers up front if push came to shove--so that I could minimize the sound differences accross the front soundstage.

One idea would be to get a cheaper pair of fronts now (say the 8's), with the notion that when cash allows, you would upgrade the fronts to a pair of ST's, and move the 8's to be the 2 directs in the rear surrounds (the Gem's would be the side surrounds).
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post #506 of 5241
4/23/09 at 3:55am
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Originally Posted by Pfdjr1 View Post

Anyone with the Mythos STS System feel the built in SW is enough, or aye ya feeling an additional SW is needed. For someone like myself who doesnt feel alot of bass is totally necassary, I was hoping the built ins would do the trick.

Depending on placement and your room size, the sts can fill a room damn well. I did a basement theater with sts, 10 center and in ceiling rears and it rocked. I tuned the system and was suprised on the sheer output of the internal subs. I didn't long for any free standing sub. The receiver was a Pioneer Elite SC-05.

Dan
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post #507 of 5241
4/23/09 at 3:59am
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Originally Posted by y2j View Post

I'm thinking about pulling the trigger and buying the Mythos ST fronts, Mythos 10 center, and Mythos XL Gems as surrounds. My receiver is a Denon 3808CI. I'd like to hear from owners of this setup and get your thoughts on it. Are you 100% happy with this setup? Any downsides to it? Is there any other system under $4,000 that is better than this one? Thanks in advance for your input.

There is no system that can touch the one you described for under 4000.00 . The one you built there is well over 4000.00 retail.

If I where to pick on this system, I would change the rears to Mythos 10's only due to the fact I listen to a lot of multichannel music and prefer the deeper perfectly matched Mythos 10 over the very close matched Gem XL. I'd also not use the Denon 3808ci. As I think it's a nice piece and very custom, it has all the features I really like, I prefer the sound quality of the Pioneer ELite SC-07 which is more dynamic and clearer. Thats my opinion. Other then that, it's a killer system. The Mythos ST's are right now my very favorite speaker.

Dan
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post #508 of 5241
4/23/09 at 5:58am
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Originally Posted by Mantis10 View Post

Both systems would give you incredible sound but If you can go floor standing, the STS are incredible. The built in subs are very nice. Having 2 subs will give you nice even coverage. They can be tuned correctly for 2 channel as well. Very nice.

I think the all 9 fronts would be special but I would change the sub to a Supercube. The supercubes got mad output and room filling bass. Just one will fill a room better then most single subs. I still prefer 2 subs in any system but if I had to have just one, A supercube would be the one. The Reference is sick nasty Bro. I love that sub. They are surprisingly musical as well.

Dan

I know this is an old post, and has been addressed, but I just wanted to reiterate. While the SC's are great subs, and pack a nice wallop for their size, they are easily outperformed by many of the other offerings in its price class, especially if size is of no factor. The PB13 will give you more output, go lower, and believe it or not, be much more musical. I would say that musicality is not what the SC's were intended for.

This is coming from someone who owned dual SCII's.
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post #509 of 5241
4/23/09 at 6:09am
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Originally Posted by mvp2005fan View Post

You can absolutely use the Ten's as L/C/R. They have the same drivers as the ST's. You would need a good sub with them, but I suspect they would sound great, and would have a very cohesive soundstage.

In terms of mixing the 8, 9, 10's--they are voiced the same, so you could theoretically mix/match.

If I had the cash, I still think I would rather have all of the same 3 speakers up front if push came to shove--so that I could minimize the sound differences accross the front soundstage.

One idea would be to get a cheaper pair of fronts now (say the 8's), with the notion that when cash allows, you would upgrade the fronts to a pair of ST's, and move the 8's to be the 2 directs in the rear surrounds (the Gem's would be the side surrounds).

Thanks for the input. Once I get the Denon I will probably focus on getting another set of ten's. I have no idea what the wife will think of hanging a couple of speakers on the wall. She could hold back on floors or who knows

My room is not setup to allow me to put some 8's in the rear or having the gems for side surrounds. Well not at least with my current basement confirguration. If we finish off the other half then maybe I will have more options.

But excited of what is coming and what I will get eventually.
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post #510 of 5241
4/23/09 at 6:24am
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Originally Posted by y2j View Post

I'm thinking about pulling the trigger and buying the Mythos ST fronts, Mythos 10 center, and Mythos XL Gems as surrounds. My receiver is a Denon 3808CI. I'd like to hear from owners of this setup and get your thoughts on it. Are you 100% happy with this setup? Any downsides to it? Is there any other system under $4,000 that is better than this one? Thanks in advance for your input.

I am a huge fan of the ST/STS towers. IMO, they are some of the best out there. They truly seperate themselves from the typical DT sound. To my ears, they are neutral, with excellent bass response, and great all around sound.

If I were to change anything, it would probably be the Gems. I would probably go with BPx's if your enviornment allowed. The Gems do a decent job of emulating a BP, but I my pov is, why go with something that tries to be something, if you have the ability to go with something that was manufactured to actually do it.
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