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post #4921 of 5543
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Originally Posted by joeatdefinitive View Post

The Mythos 6 stand won't work well with the Two. I am sorry that I can't help much with this one - best, Joe

Joe, thanks for the response. You say "work well"...does this mean it is possible to modify the 6 stands to work with the 2? Could anyone at DefTec confirm the mounting location differences (i.e. could I use the top hole of the stand with the top hole of the Mythos 2 speaker, add a second hole for the bottom if required and router out the wire opening as needed or am I already into the wire cutout with approx. 7 7/8" between centers on the mounting holes for the 2 as compared to the 6)?. Perhaps even more important, could the stands even bear the increased weight of the 2's? I know, probably a lot easier just to buy some EF24's from Sanus but I hate giving up on one of the nicer aspects of these speakers...the overall look in my room.
post #4922 of 5543
Real quick question. Newegg has the Mythos 2 and 3s for 209 and 219 apiece. Since these are a third the price of the newer models, can anyone tell me the differences between the 2 and 6 or even 8 or 10? Just trying to understand what I might be buying. Budget doesn't really support 400 per speaker times 5. It's either the mythos 3 center and 4 mythos 2's and one of my homemade subs, or the KEF T305 series.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Jim
post #4923 of 5543
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Originally Posted by jkasanic View Post

Joe, thanks for the response. You say "work well"...does this mean it is possible to modify the 6 stands to work with the 2? Could anyone at DefTec confirm the mounting location differences (i.e. could I use the top hole of the stand with the top hole of the Mythos 2 speaker, add a second hole for the bottom if required and router out the wire opening as needed or am I already into the wire cutout with approx. 7 7/8" between centers on the mounting holes for the 2 as compared to the 6)?. Perhaps even more important, could the stands even bear the increased weight of the 2's? I know, probably a lot easier just to buy some EF24's from Sanus but I hate giving up on one of the nicer aspects of these speakers...the overall look in my room.
Hi JK, I apologize... I should have been more explicit that the stand for the 6 will not work with the 2. I am sorry about that. My suggestion is that you try the Sanus stands. Thanks again for buying Definitive! Best, Joe
post #4924 of 5543
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Originally Posted by borrone821 View Post

Real quick question. Newegg has the Mythos 2 and 3s for 209 and 219 apiece. Since these are a third the price of the newer models, can anyone tell me the differences between the 2 and 6 or even 8 or 10? Just trying to understand what I might be buying. Budget doesn't really support 400 per speaker times 5. It's either the mythos 3 center and 4 mythos 2's and one of my homemade subs, or the KEF T305 series.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Jim
Hi Jim, the Two is a good value at the moment, as it uses 4 and a half inch drivers and bass radiators vs the 3 1/2 inch units in the Six. I hope this helps - best, Joe
post #4925 of 5543
Thanks Joe,
Yeah just noticed the newegg price went up today but these are still way cheaper than anybody else (KEF, paradigm, Bostons, B&W, newer DTs)... not sure what to do but that's good to know

If anyone has any other advice on older DT models vs. newer DTs and other brands, I'd love to hear it.

Jim
post #4926 of 5543
Hey Joe/everyone,
For a change I've got a request for some advice.

I'm thinking of adding Front Heights to my setup (Wides aren't really needed because I feel that my Mythos ST fronts more than cover that part of the soundstage). To refresh your memory, I've also got that CS-8080HD center (on an adjustable center channel stand) and Gem XL surrounds (on Sanus adjustable mounts), along with two HSU ULS-15 subs. All of this is nicely dialed in with Audyssey XT32, their Pro kit, and OmniMic for post-calibration assessment and tweaks. Other than possibly the Gem XLs, I'm not going to change anything else speakerwise, so no advice to having an all Mythos Nine system or move the ST to surrounds in favor of something from the BP line, please:).

Anyway, I plan to use the Heights generally in Dolby PLIIx or occasionally Audyssey DSX for listening to originally two-channel source music (originally multichannel sources are fine as is IMO) or movies.

My question is about where you'd go for the Heights (probably on adjustable mounts; I can get ones up to 72" high, and I don't want to wall mount for condo resale reasons). Would you:
- Add another set of Gem XLs
- Pick up a pair of monopole Studio Monitors
- Go the bipole route and get one of those newfangled BP surround speakers
- Something else?

Also, out of curiousity, what's the current thinking about the optimal surounds in a 5.1 system that's 60/40 music vs HT, to go with the Mythos line from a timbre-match POV?

TIA
post #4927 of 5543
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Originally Posted by sdrucker View Post

Hey Joe/everyone,
For a change I've got a request for some advice.
I'm thinking of adding Front Heights to my setup (Wides aren't really needed because I feel that my Mythos ST fronts more than cover that part of the soundstage). To refresh your memory, I've also got that CS-8080HD center (on an adjustable center channel stand) and Gem XL surrounds (on Sanus adjustable mounts), along with two HSU ULS-15 subs. All of this is nicely dialed in with Audyssey XT32, their Pro kit, and OmniMic for post-calibration assessment and tweaks. Other than possibly the Gem XLs, I'm not going to change anything else speakerwise, so no advice to having an all Mythos Nine system or move the ST to surrounds in favor of something from the BP line, please:).
Anyway, I plan to use the Heights generally in Dolby PLIIx or occasionally Audyssey DSX for listening to originally two-channel source music (originally multichannel sources are fine as is IMO) or movies.
My question is about where you'd go for the Heights (probably on adjustable mounts; I can get ones up to 72" high, and I don't want to wall mount for condo resale reasons). Would you:
- Add another set of Gem XLs
- Pick up a pair of monopole Studio Monitors
- Go the bipole route and get one of those newfangled BP surround speakers
- Something else?
Also, out of curiousity, what's the current thinking about the optimal surounds in a 5.1 system that's 60/40 music vs HT, to go with the Mythos line from a timbre-match POV?
TIA

I would stay Mythos for the timbre match. The Gem XL's will work. Now my personal opinion on the heights is they are over kill for music. Movies there is a slight difference. I have STS fronts and Gems for height, side and rear surrounds. Your ST fronts stand taller than the STS so you will really have to go highter with the heights, which may be too high unless they are angled downward. I have a 9.1 configuration which I enjoy, but the noticable sound difference was not worth the dollars invested. I was curious so went for it. I too am dialed in with Audyssey. Joe may have different thoughts.
post #4928 of 5543
Looking to upgrade my system with separates. Currently have ST's up front with Mythos 10 center and Gem XL's in the rear. I currently run everything out of a Yamaha RX-V871 with pre-outs that can connect to a powered amplifier. I was planning on starting with a decent amplifier. I have considered the Emotiva XPR-5 as well as Outlaw Model 7500 vs 7900. I have also considered an AVR including the new Pioneer SC-68 and Integra DTR 80.3. I am, however, more biased toward a separate amplifier to work solely for my speakers and not have to rely on a shared power source for the processor as well...like with an AVR. I would potentially look into a AV processor down the road as the Yamaha is intended to be a temporary piece. Suggestions/feedback/thoughts please?
post #4929 of 5543
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Originally Posted by fscottwhite1 View Post

Looking to upgrade my system with separates. Currently have ST's up front with Mythos 10 center and Gem XL's in the rear. I currently run everything out of a Yamaha RX-V871 with pre-outs that can connect to a powered amplifier. I was planning on starting with a decent amplifier. I have considered the Emotiva XPR-5 as well as Outlaw Model 7500 vs 7900. I have also considered an AVR including the new Pioneer SC-68 and Integra DTR 80.3. I am, however, more biased toward a separate amplifier to work solely for my speakers and not have to rely on a shared power source for the processor as well...like with an AVR. I would potentially look into a AV processor down the road as the Yamaha is intended to be a temporary piece. Suggestions/feedback/thoughts please?

I have the Integra DHC-80.3 (prepro version of the DTR) and besides making my Mythos 1,2,3 setup sound great without it, MultiEQ XT32 has significantly improved my listening experience (primarily movies). I've been researching amps for a while and all things equal, I don't think you can go wrong with either the XPR-5 or the 7500. Probably just a question of the amount of headroom desired. Emotiva still has their sale going on while Outlaw's just expired.
post #4930 of 5543
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Originally Posted by fscottwhite1 View Post

Looking to upgrade my system with separates. Currently have ST's up front with Mythos 10 center and Gem XL's in the rear. I currently run everything out of a Yamaha RX-V871 with pre-outs that can connect to a powered amplifier. I was planning on starting with a decent amplifier. I have considered the Emotiva XPR-5 as well as Outlaw Model 7500 vs 7900. I have also considered an AVR including the new Pioneer SC-68 and Integra DTR 80.3. I am, however, more biased toward a separate amplifier to work solely for my speakers and not have to rely on a shared power source for the processor as well...like with an AVR. I would potentially look into a AV processor down the road as the Yamaha is intended to be a temporary piece. Suggestions/feedback/thoughts please?

There are quite a few that have no idea what a huge difference a separate power amp will make. Choose the power amp very carefully. The Emotiva XPR-5 I have never heard but the spec's look very good. Go fot it, you will think you have new speakers.
post #4931 of 5543
Hi double posting here but looking for bookshelfs and have it narrowed down to these two Thnking def tech pro 1000 with pro 2000 center or mythos gem and mythos 7 center any ideas on which way to go
post #4932 of 5543
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Originally Posted by Maddmaster View Post

I would stay Mythos for the timbre match. The Gem XL's will work. Now my personal opinion on the heights is they are over kill for music. Movies there is a slight difference. I have STS fronts and Gems for height, side and rear surrounds. Your ST fronts stand taller than the STS so you will really have to go highter with the heights, which may be too high unless they are angled downward. I have a 9.1 configuration which I enjoy, but the noticable sound difference was not worth the dollars invested. I was curious so went for it. I too am dialed in with Audyssey. Joe may have different thoughts.
Hello Madd and Stuart, sorry about my slow response, but I was on vacation. I agree that the major benefits of 9.1 are with movies rather than music. Stuart, if you watch a fair amount of movies, pull the trigger and go for it. I think the Gem XL will be a good match, but the others you mention can work, too. Let me know if this helps or if you have more questions OK? Best, Joe
post #4933 of 5543
The Newegg deal was too good to pass up.

I got four Mythos 2's and 1 Mythos 3. Just got the 2's in today and I love em! They are replacing some old Bose 301's that I really liked but they were just too big and bulky. I can hear much better mids and highs now, can't wait to see how they improve after the 20 hour break in. I've had a DT PF15TL sub for 10 years now and it's still kicking and sounds great with the Mythos.

The Mythos 3 is due in on the 6th so no feedback on it yet.

As far as getting these older models than the newer ones, I say go for it.
post #4934 of 5543
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Originally Posted by bigtexan99 View Post

The Newegg deal was too good to pass up.
I got four Mythos 2's and 1 Mythos 3. Just got the 2's in today and I love em! They are replacing some old Bose 301's that I really liked but they were just too big and bulky. I can hear much better mids and highs now, can't wait to see how they improve after the 20 hour break in. I've had a DT PF15TL sub for 10 years now and it's still kicking and sounds great with the Mythos.
The Mythos 3 is due in on the 6th so no feedback on it yet.
As far as getting these older models than the newer ones, I say go for it.

Congrat's. Saved yourself a ton of cash going that way didn't you? Thanks for sharing.
post #4935 of 5543
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Originally Posted by kevi99 View Post

Hi double posting here but looking for bookshelfs and have it narrowed down to these two Thnking def tech pro 1000 with pro 2000 center or mythos gem and mythos 7 center any ideas on which way to go
Hi Kev, the PC 2000 is one of the real sleepers in the Definitive line. Cosmetically the Mythos 7 is really good, but performance wise the PC 2000 is an under-rated performer. If the cosmetics matter to you, go for the latter system. If performance matters more to you, the PC 1000 / 2000 system is probably the more solid bet. I hope this helps - best, Joe
post #4936 of 5543
thinking now sm45 just got back demo ing against b and w 686
post #4937 of 5543
Hey Joe, I am thinking of upgrading my wall mounted XTR-50's to XTR-60's and Im wondering if the mount plates are the same between the two or would I have to swap the mount brackets too?
post #4938 of 5543
Just picked up 3 Mythos Tens, looking to replace my Martin Logan Dynamo sub, any recommendations on a nice sub that will work good with the Mythos Tens?
post #4939 of 5543
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Originally Posted by joeatdefinitive View Post

Hi Kev, the PC 2000 is one of the real sleepers in the Definitive line. Cosmetically the Mythos 7 is really good, but performance wise the PC 2000 is an under-rated performer. If the cosmetics matter to you, go for the latter system. If performance matters more to you, the PC 1000 / 2000 system is probably the more solid bet. I hope this helps - best, Joe

That pro center looks very similar to the arrangement of my STS mids and tweeter.
post #4940 of 5543
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Originally Posted by kevi99 View Post

thinking now sm45 just got back demo ing against b and w 686
The 45's are an amazing value Kev - good luck and let us know. Best, Joe
post #4941 of 5543
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Originally Posted by ben_r_ View Post

Hey Joe, I am thinking of upgrading my wall mounted XTR-50's to XTR-60's and Im wondering if the mount plates are the same between the two or would I have to swap the mount brackets too?
Hello Ben, unfortunately it is a different bracket - same design, but the 60 can hold more weight. The good news is that the brackets come with the speakers. Best, Joe
post #4942 of 5543
Hi
I have the mythos 5, 7 and gems matched with a Martin Logan Depth i subwoofer and i have a few questions re: optimal crossover frequency. I'm using a Denon 3808ci for the rehceiver. At the beginning of this thread, crossovers for the 5 and 3 (which are supposedly from the DT website) show optimal crossovers at
Mythos five- 120 hz
Mythos seven-140 hz
Mythos gem-120 hz

the def tech manual actually say 80hz for the mythos 5 and 7 so i question the validity of the statement made on the first page of this thread.

I have my receiver set to
front speakers= small
center = small
surrond a= small
subwoofer=yes

when i use the audyssey set up mic, I am getting crossovers at
mythos 5= 60hz
mythos 7= 60 hz
gems =120 hz


any suggestions as to setup my speakers?
tia
Dave
post #4943 of 5543
Anyone hearing anything about any new Mythos products coming @ CES?
post #4944 of 5543
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Originally Posted by Pelly_NV View Post

Anyone hearing anything about any new Mythos products coming @ CES?
Nope, but Ill be there and will def have a look!
post #4945 of 5543
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Originally Posted by fscottwhite1 View Post

Looking to upgrade my system with separates. Currently have ST's up front with Mythos 10 center and Gem XL's in the rear. I currently run everything out of a Yamaha RX-V871 with pre-outs that can connect to a powered amplifier. I was planning on starting with a decent amplifier. I have considered the Emotiva XPR-5 as well as Outlaw Model 7500 vs 7900. I have also considered an AVR including the new Pioneer SC-68 and Integra DTR 80.3. I am, however, more biased toward a separate amplifier to work solely for my speakers and not have to rely on a shared power source for the processor as well...like with an AVR. I would potentially look into a AV processor down the road as the Yamaha is intended to be a temporary piece. Suggestions/feedback/thoughts please?

I have the same speaker setup plus a Seaton Submersive for my sub and I am currently running with the Marantz 7005 and XPA-5 and they sound great. I have the SVS - EQ1 for the xt32 processing and it brings the movie side to life IMHO.

These are efficient speakers, so you don't have to go crazy on power, but more is always better tongue.gif

I had the Denon 3808 before and they sounded great, but the addition of (XT32) in some form via AVR or SVS EQ will add another dimension of satisfaction again, IMHO.
post #4946 of 5543
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Originally Posted by dk10438 View Post

Hi
I have the mythos 5, 7 and gems matched with a Martin Logan Depth i subwoofer and i have a few questions re: optimal crossover frequency. I'm using a Denon 3808ci for the rehceiver. At the beginning of this thread, crossovers for the 5 and 3 (which are supposedly from the DT website) show optimal crossovers at
Mythos five- 120 hz
Mythos seven-140 hz
Mythos gem-120 hz
the def tech manual actually say 80hz for the mythos 5 and 7 so i question the validity of the statement made on the first page of this thread.
I have my receiver set to
front speakers= small
center = small
surrond a= small
subwoofer=yes
when i use the audyssey set up mic, I am getting crossovers at
mythos 5= 60hz
mythos 7= 60 hz
gems =120 hz
any suggestions as to setup my speakers?
tia
Dave

Speaker crossover settings are largely room based. Just go with the Audyssey settings.
post #4947 of 5543
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Originally Posted by Pelly_NV View Post

Anyone hearing anything about any new Mythos products coming @ CES?
Hey Pelly, I hope that I get to meet you this year. We tried to connect last year but we missed. Can you pm me and we'll figure out a way to connect?
No new Mythos products this year... but we are planning to show one of the coolest things we have done in a long time. You'll dig it smile.gif Best, Joe
post #4948 of 5543
Hi Joe. I've got a Def Tech 8060HD as my center speaker and I'm thinking of getting a pair of XTR60s as a L&R. Would this be a good match or would the powered 8060 be a bit much for the XTR60s?
post #4949 of 5543
Ok, I have spent several days reading through this thread and it has been very helpful. I have learned quite a bit. However, I'm looking for suggestionson my 5 year old setup from Joe at Definitive as well as any others with experience.

I currently have a 5.1 setup consisting of the following:

Fronts - Mythos 4
Center - Mythos 7
Rears - Mythos Gem
Sub - Supercube III
Receiver - Onkyo TX-NR708

I have never really felt like I got enough out of my center speaker (Mythos 7). I would like to upgrade it but I do have a width limitation of 24" in my cabinet. I have considered Mythos 3, 9 and 10 but they are too wide so I'm leaning towards CS-8040, CS-8060 or possbily the ProCenter 1000 or 2000. My thoughts are:

- I like the idea of the CS-8060 but will the built in powered sub over power my other speakers? If so, would the CS-8040 be a better fit? Will either of these centers be a good fit with the the Mythos speakers I currently own?

- I have read where Joe commented highly about the ProCenter speakers. Would the 1000 or 2000 be an upgrade from the Mythos 7? Will either work well with the rest of my speakers?

- Finally....I have also considered upgrading my Gems to Gem XL's. Would that be money spent wisely or will I not get the return on investment?

Any feedback is greatly appreciated.
post #4950 of 5543
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Originally Posted by goldenboy1 View Post

Ok, I have spent several days reading through this thread and it has been very helpful. I have learned quite a bit. However, I'm looking for suggestionson my 5 year old setup from Joe at Definitive as well as any others with experience.
I currently have a 5.1 setup consisting of the following:
Fronts - Mythos 4
Center - Mythos 7
Rears - Mythos Gem
Sub - Supercube III
Receiver - Onkyo TX-NR708
I have never really felt like I got enough out of my center speaker (Mythos 7). I would like to upgrade it but I do have a width limitation of 24" in my cabinet. I have considered Mythos 3, 9 and 10 but they are too wide so I'm leaning towards CS-8040, CS-8060 or possbily the ProCenter 1000 or 2000. My thoughts are:
- I like the idea of the CS-8060 but will the built in powered sub over power my other speakers? If so, would the CS-8040 be a better fit? Will either of these centers be a good fit with the the Mythos speakers I currently own?
- I have read where Joe commented highly about the ProCenter speakers. Would the 1000 or 2000 be an upgrade from the Mythos 7? Will either work well with the rest of my speakers?
- Finally....I have also considered upgrading my Gems to Gem XL's. Would that be money spent wisely or will I not get the return on investment?
Any feedback is greatly appreciated.

I have the 8060 and I love it.

As far as the sub over powering, I don't think it will. It isn't a "real" sub. You will just get an extended bass with it...not sure if that is the best way to describe it.
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