Definitive Technology Mythos Series Thread - Page 167

Quick question. Trying to compare Mythos XTR-60 vs Mythos 7. I have some space limitations for my center. It will go on a mantle under a wall mounted TV. I don't need to wall mount and don't require the slimness of the XTR - but wonder about its performance against something slightly deeper like the seven. Thoughts?

Holyindian,
What do you mean by "lack lot of inbetweens"? Do you mean a lack of presence with dialog? Or a muffled sound? These are issues that may be more related to center channel placement (e.g. within a tight space in a cabinet) rather than a speaker deficiency per se. You might also want to see if your Mythos ST and Ten are level-matched at the same db, but you'd need external measuring equipment (OmniMic is the easiest to use) in order to check that.

Also, as positive as the reviews of the CC-690 are, I'd worry about timbre matching issues if you used it with Mythos speakers. Joe can chime in on this, but unless you want to replace the entire Mythos line, you'd be better off investing in one of the CS line center channels, to match the Mythos ST fronts, if you wanted to try a different CC.

I'd personally get something like the CS-8080 HD, if you're looking for an upgrade from the Mythos 10; that's the upgrade I actually did personally last spring as part of an A/V equipment swap with AVS member Leroyjr. It's got a powered, front-firing woofer, which IMO adds to the presentation of voices and a deeper soundstage anchored in the center of the room. Even if you don't "need" the sub section with that THT standalone sub you've got IIRC, the powered woofer helps with making the lower frequencies blend with the sub better IMO. The only issue is that given your sub's capabilities, you may wind up with a center channel crossover in the 90 to 110 Hz, so the effect is subtle. And I'd strongly recommend having the speaker on an open shelf or a center channel stand to get the most out of it.

Yea the CS-8080 makes it's presence known...I upgraded the Mythos Ten too.

So I'm curious, how would Mythos 2's sound as a side surrounds in a 7.1 system? I recently got the 8060st's, 8040 center and 8040 surrounds as a 5.1 package, and for some reason the low profile and wall hanging nature of the Mythos 2's appeals to me. Would they match well or should I go in a different direction?

I'm new to the forum and looking for some advice.

My background is I haven't been into home audio stuff in a few years. I have a modest setup right now and like it, but I'm looking to upgrade.

Current setup:
Polk Rti12's - Left, Right
Polk Csi 5 - center
Polk LsiFX - rears
Polk PSW505 sub
Onkyo TX-SR806

I mainly use it for Movies/TV and seldom music. My room is roughly 15x20 but it opens up into a kitchen area.

I would like to reduce the size of the setup and upgrade the quality. The RTi12 are huge, as are the LSI's for rear. The size of the center channel is fine.

I'm considering the Def Tech 8060st with the free center and surrounds for 2K. I have heard this setup in a store and it sounds pretty good.

I'm also considering the Def Tech Mythos STS, Mythos nine, and Mythos GEMs. I have a dealer who can get me this setup new with warranty for 3K. No where around here has these to actually listen to though.

My question is, is the Mythos setup 1K better or would I be better off with the 8060 setup and perhaps upgrading the receiver? Are these going to be dramatically better than the Polks? Is there a better way to spend the 2K-3K?

Thanks for all advice.

Sdrucker, i almost forgot you are you and me share almost the common gear as the 4311CI and Def Tech sound system, except for the fact your knowledge on the AV subject is extremely good.

I like your idea of upgrading to the CS-8080 for the center. I love the Mythos ST speakers though. The Sound Paradigm are a bit better than the ST speakers, but i realized that only after i placed my order for the ST 3 years ago. I guess i dont know how much i am loosing with sound paradigm vs the Mythos ST.
Anyways, for now i like what i hear... as they say ignorance is bliss, i have never heard other higher end systems, to me the mythos ST is the only one i've heard in the reference speakers category.

Although i demo'ed a couple of subwoofers prior to the DIY THT, and i instantly fell in love with the THT's. I think there was nothing i heard like it. Heard the SVS, HSU, Epik, Seaton etc. I guess i will add another THT soon to my setup.

As you mentioned that the CS-8080 has an inbuilt subwoofer, will it be of use for people like me who have a seperate subwoofer? Cos i have turned off my Mythos ST speakers inbuilt subwoofer cos i use the THT subwoofer as the primary sub. (i hope thats not wrong to turn off the ST's sub off when using an external sub).

New to the forum, finally setting up a -good- 5.1 setup for my living room/home theater.

for years all i had was a cheap ~15yr old Home theater in a box setup with my 27" standard tv in the living room w/a huge ass entertainment center. btw my living room is 11.5x17 in size

got some money and decided to paint the living room (after 10 years of it being the same color) and upgrade to a good tv/speaker setup.

i wall mounted (monoprice for the mount) a 60" lg plasma tv.
at best buy they had a decent open box clearance on a samsung receiver (~300 dollar receiver) for 42 bucks so a nabbed -figuring 42 bucks will give decent sound and i can upgrade that later on if need be, its only 42 bucks since my current receiver had no hdmi and this had 4in/1 out.

i am slowly upgrading the center left & right fronts / l & r surrounds &subwoofer since...well the speakers i have are cheap. i am also wall mounting them and got all the parts needed to wall mount the surrounds and left right speakers- as well as doing in the wall wiring for 5.1 sound from monoprice.com-installed all the wiring over the weekend.

~4 weeks ago i got the Mythos 3 center and placed it on the new entertainment center with the old left rights
2 weeks ago i got 2 promonitor 800's that i made my left and right fronts and got the wall installation gear from monoprice

installed everything over the tv and it looks good (used the mythos 3 mounting bracket) the promonitors looks great and i have them almost perfectly centered over the tv .

this week i am thinking of upgrading the surrounds, and bestbuy has the mythos Gem b(they list the model as MYTHOSGEMB) on clearance-going to do the subwoofer last on the off chance (ya like that will happen) that i win that monthly drawing for registering new product purchase @ the DT website.

so i was thinking should I put the GEMS as the Front Left and Right ( it would take all of 2 minutes to switch them over) and put the promonitor 800's as the surrounds or keep as is and use the GEMS as the surrounds?
Edited by Lenardo - 1/16/13 at 9:44am

I'm considering the Mythos 7 for CC. I won't be playing loud, so I was wondering how it would sound at lower levels because they're rated 10-175W, my AVR center is rate 100W. I picked them because of size for placement.

appreciate advice,
thanks mitsmrty

Just purchased a set of Mythos 2 speakers. One speaker did not come with the glass tempered base. I was wondering if anyone has an extra glass base they want to sell. Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this. I also posted in the want ads but thought there would be a better chance here.

I'm about to mount some XTR-20BP's on the side wall to serve as surround speakers. The fronts are all Mythos 10s. I was wondering if it really matters which way they are mounted on the side wall. I know the manual shows the front three speakers and states that the bar should be on the outside. If I place the bar to the outside on the surround speakers then the hole in the wall where the speaker wire comes out will be much more visible. If I put the bar towards the front wall then it would hide this hole.

I can't seem to see a reason why it would be necessary for the surround speakers to have their "bar" mounted towards the rear wall...but if I have to for sound....I will.

The only reason I can think of is using the screw that mounts in the middle that can change the angle when they are in the bracket. Mainly, when it is used as a center channel.

Anybody know how often bahawaverunner updates items? I need 2 x UIW RCS III. There are some other sellers on ebay, but I'd prefer to use baha.

Hello P, I am sorry that I missed this, and if it is too late to answer, my apologies. For in-ceiling round speakers I really like the Di 8R. It is physically a little larger, but has the Di Series disappearing bezel, so it doesn't look very big, and it has more bass capability than you would expect. Let me know if you need any more assistance - jfinn@definitivetech.com. Best, Joe

Hello Fanta, you should see them in stores around the first or second week in February.
We are excited of course! Best, Joe

Hello Holy, what part of Chicago? I grew up in a suburb called Berkeley, just east of Elmhurst. Yes, the CS-8080 HD is extremely popular with our customers. No, you won't have to turn off the on board subwoofer. Powering the center channel sub gives better performance on vocals as well as avoiding the dreaded "horses turning into ponies turning into horses" problem when the action moves from left to right, or right to left, across the stage. Regarding your ST's, I would turn the subs back on. Yes, you have a very capable subwoofer, but you're not getting nearly the performance from your front left and right speakers that you could be. Remember that there is a level control on each of those towers, so you can dial in as much, or as little, bass as you want. If you turn the subs off, you are really limiting the left / right stage bass performance. So experiment a bit and trust your ears. Let us know how it turns out OK? Best, Joe

Come to think of it, holyindian, I thought we solved this issue on the 4311 thread last spring when you were having calibration issues with Audyssey. I remember that you'd had the Mythos ST subs powered off, which neutered your mains' bass until you followed advice on the thread, by turned them back on and rerunning Audyssey XT32? I don't recall the exact details, but I thought by following the advice of having the ST sub volume at 10 or 11 o'clock you'd solved the issue, even with the THT sub you've got.

FWIW, on my own system, I have the ST at about 11-12 oclock, my CS-8080 HD at roughly 10:30, and run my Mythos as Small/80 Hz crossover to go with two HSU ULS-15 subs (which are also running at about 9:30 on the onboard sub trim). All are level matched to approximately 71-72 db before running Audyssey. Even with the crossover and the speakers as "Small", you have to remember that crossovers aren't brick walls. There's still some output coming from the ST woofers, but it's below - 3 db, and isn't corrected by Audyssey as such as a result. It may be muted relative to your subs, but that's different than having the subs off altogether. A gentle sloping off is different than an ON/OFF crossover IMO.

The other issue, which maybe Joe can speak to, is that the Mythos ST (and the CS-8080, for that matter) have bass radiators, and if you have the sub sections off altogether, you might wind up weakening the bass produced at higher frequencies (e.g. mid-bass) due to the speaker's internal handling of harmonics.

Actually, unless you want localized < 300 Hz mid-bass handled by your subs, I don't think I'd want to leave the powered section of the Mythos (or BP) line off at all.

Finally put up the Mythos 10s...what's a good in ceiling speaker to match w/ these? Using Yamaha RXA2000.

Thanks Joe,

To clarify, at Best Buy?

I actually just suggested a jawbone jambox to my father the other day, if this is on display around me I'd like to compare the two.

Thanks

That looks...awesome!

I know that deftech makes a number of in ceiling speakers but I have never heard them...Also if you want to save a bit and are not too concerned with surround performance you could try the monoprice offerings...might be worth a shot.

Def Tech DI8r ! I have four for my surrounds and rears.

Hi Fanta, you'll love the sonic upgrade of the Sound Cylinder, both in the bass and the sonic image...but that's not the best part.
The Sound Cylinder gives you a built-in stand, so you have a place to prop the Cylinder up at the correct angle (either landscape or portrait, your choice). It's hard to imagine anyone choosing another product in this genre at $199 on down. I started using my tablet a whole lot more than I used to, so you really start enjoying a product that can become part of your life You can check out the Cylinder here: http://www.definitivetech.com/products/sound-cylinder
We haven't buttoned up yet exactly which stores will carry them, but again, we'll let you know as soon as it is finalized. Best, Joe

I agree completely Mr. Drucker. You won't get the benefit either in the bass, or in the mid-bass / midrange, of having a powered sub with bass radiators unless you turn them on. You can always use their volume controls to roll the bass emphasis from them back if you have beefy subs in the room, so getting the right blend between the towers and the subs is relatively easy

Yes Ben, the Di 8R not only sounds great, but looks awesome too with the slim bezel. If you're going to have surround channels, you might as well have them sound good!

Sweet ill pick up a couple pairs of the Di 8r's for the surrounds!

Looking to upgrade my Home Theatre speakers. Running with a Denon AVR-4520CI.

I have been considering the attached system:

Mythos ST Mains
CS-8080 Centre
Mythos Gem XL x 4 Surround
Supercube Trinity Sub

I have a couple of questions. Can this receiver properly run this system? Does the CS-8080 match the mains? Are their better options for the sub?

Also, I have noticed a considerable price difference between the USA online sellers and the prices in Ontario. Am I better to buy in the USA, or does someone know of a dealer in Ontario who will price match (as best they can)?

Thanks for your help.

The ST and the CS-8080 work well together. I personally have the STS and have run both the CS-8080 and 6060, both worked out great.

As far a sub, you may want to check out other options like Rythmik, HSU, SVS etc. I am currently using the built in woofers on my STS's which is fine for the smaller sized living I currently have. Though I will say I have been talking about getting a Rythmik F12se or F15se for a longgg time now .

The trinity is supposed to be an absolute beast. But dollar for dollar you will probably find on line subwoofer companies to be better.

Thanks Joe, keep me updated.

Hi Joe, I am in the western suburbs of Chicago
In Itasca, very near to Schaumburg. Infact just 10 mins from Berkeley.
I am sincerly considering upgrading to the CS-8080, currently my center is a mythos 10. I am not able to find any threads in here where people have had upgraded to cs-8080 from a mythos 10 and recorded their observations, i really want to know if the sound is better?

I almost forgot about the ST's powered subwoofer function, i am not sure when i turned it off. I think i turned it off when i was testing two different types of subwoofer in the same room, one was a horned subwoofer, and another was the seaton submersive hp, And i was trying to add high pass and low pass filter to the behinger Feedback destroyer, and forgot to turn it back up. Actually the THT is so powerful, i never felt the need of addl bass, i mean the sub flexes my walls like sitting in a vacum chamber.
Anyways, i have not set the ST's powered sub to 11'0' clock, and definately i see something significantly better, not in terms of bass, but background music is definitely fuller.
I think i will have to caliberate the speakers again using the multeq xt32 on the 4311ci, Ok, just to summarize again, i can still run the audyssey calibration with the ST's sub turned on at 11 o clock right? I dont need to turn it off to caliberate right?

I am sorry, i just forgot our last years discussion, i am unable to find that thread on the denon's mega post.
Recently i have done so much work on my HT, built a fantastic Middle Atlantic AV Rack... information has been pouring into my tiny brain like its never ending, i am totally zonked!! Please refresh me.

Can you also point out the major benefit gain after upgrading to cs-8080 from the mythos ten? do u really think its worth it?
Edited by holyindian - 1/24/13 at 10:57pm

Do a DIY like the THT, or a Danley DTS-10, or the best in front firing radiator based subs like the Seaton SubMersive F2 or HP, these go really really low, LFE will blow your mind.

Hi guys, would like to seek some opinions from fellow Mythos STS owners.

I am currently driving my STS fronts, M9 centre and SCII sub with a Marantz SR7005. Sources are a Marantz CD6003 and a Philips Bluray player.
Been happy with this "one-box" solution for both music/HT duties but have been considering doing a HT bypass setup to improve the music listening part.
I am considering either adding a Marantz Pearl Lite Amp + SACD player combo or an Audiolab 8200 Amp + CD player combo.

Unfortunately, the STS is not extensively carried in my area to do an audition.
So wondering if anyone has embarked on such a HT bypass setup or any opinion which is a better match/sound characteristics for the STS?

Thanks.