Definitive Technology Mythos Series Thread - Page 31

Originally Posted by mnbears

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I'll contact and check if authorized or not (how do they prove that?)

Originally Posted by mvp2005fan

That does seem a little high (I would think closer to 80Mhz would fit better). What kind of sub are you using in your system?--perhaps the sub plays high enough that Audessey set things this high?

Originally Posted by Macfan424

Michaelmorio, DefTech suggests a 60Hz crossover with the Ten. It certainly can handle 80Hz. The weaker bass could come from the high crossover. I've never used Audessey, so I don't know if there is a reason to use what it chooses, but if not, I'd lower the crossover and see if that helps.

The Mythos Ten is by most accounts one of the clearest, most accurate center channel speakers on the market. It may not match the JBL's, but it should sound excellent in an abstract sense. It may be that you are just used to the JBL sound and have come to favor it.

Originally Posted by fquails

Are the two systems below equivalent in terms of sound quality?

1. Mythos One X 2 PLUS SuperCube II X 2
2. Mythos STS X 2

The STS has been getting rave reviews, but I think there is more placement flexibility with having separate subwoofers. Will use speakers about 80/20 for music/movies.

Originally Posted by otk



i would take 2 of these rythmik audio subs over dual SCII's any day. especially for music

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/F12G.html


also note that the rythmik subs are flat to 14hz, the supercube II's can barely get down to the mid to high 20s. there's only so much you can ask from an 8" woofer

Originally Posted by caraudiofan21

I saw numerous raving reviews about the DT Mythos STS but don't seem to find any comments/discussions about the measurements done on these fronts (See below). It seems like the distortion level of the STS at 50, 100 and 500 Hz are excessive and was through the roof below ~65Hz. That said I haven't gotten a chance to listen to them yet. Can someone who has comment on their experience? Maybe the ST is better with the large radiator and bass woofer?

Based on only the reviews, I really had my mind set on it because I wanted a large front that can play really low to replace my Paradigm Studio 20 v2. But this measurements I saw was quite discouraging. The Paradigm Studio 60 v5 looks a bit better but it doesn't play as low.

The graphs (sorry I can add urls to my post yet since this is my first post)
Website soundstagenetwork

measurements/speakers/definitive_technology_sts
measurements/speakers/paradigm_studio60_v5

Originally Posted by SoundStage!

...to say that I was impressed by the Mythos STS would be an understatement. It sounded utterly spectacular...

...after extended listening to the Mythos STS, nothing jumped out at me as being obviously lacking. The entire frequency range was balanced, and the midrange was exceptionally present. The powered woofer section provided true subwoofer-quality bass that is rare with any speaker...

...in terms of absolute performance it compares favorably to the more expensive Paradigm Reference Signature S8, my current reference speaker...

..The clear and balanced midrange presentation of the Mythos STS was equal to that of the S8. With both speakers, vocals had breathy realism that was captivating

...If I were shopping for a speaker in this price range, it would be at the top of my list...

Originally Posted by elite-home

Well tomorrow the Mythos Ten arrives for the center to complement the STS and GemXL's which sound awesome. I took the plunge on the Reference Super Cube by Def Tech and hope it will be here by the weekend- I am done after that, plain and simple

Though I can't wait to get my hands on the Denon AVR-4810 in September to upgrade from the 4310. Thanks again to all of you have helped and assisted, your knowledge is greatly appreciated and admired.

Originally Posted by Macfan424

I've been in this hobby for many years, and one of the things that became apparent to me early on is that there is surprisingly little correlation between how a loudspeaker measures and how it sounds. While I've rarely heard a speaker that measures well but doesn't sound good, I've heard a number of great sounding speakers that had mediocre results on the test bench.

The only meaningful standard for loudspeakers is how they sound. Rather than being hung up on the measurements, why not note what the accompanying review had to say about how they sounded?

The Paradigm Studio series is outstanding , although I'd probably consider the Studio 100's a closer comparison to the STS's. The v5's may even be approaching the quality of the reviewer's older Signatures. You wouldn't make a mistake buying them. If the measurements matter that much to you, the Paradigm Studio's might be the way to go. Like the STS's, they are in the top echelons of their price class.

Originally Posted by caraudiofan21

Good point, and sometimes the unique characteristics shown in measurements contributes to how people "like" the sound of it e.g. the peaks at dips at different frequency range.

How much of the low freq distortion should be taken in consideration when pairing them with subs? Would it be better to cross it at around 65 hz with a sub that plays ~20-80hz well rather than one that plays 10-50hz well?

STS vs the 100s, it's going to be a tough one. Hope I'll be able to find a place where they have both in the same room.

Originally Posted by Mantis10

I have heard both many times and while the 100's are nice , I prefer the STS over them every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Paradigm is hit or miss for me. I really like there on wall speakers like the Espree's and even Cinema series. They shine for in wall and in ceiling as well but all of there floor standing speakers sound compressed and bloated. It seems the try to recreate to much bass. They tend to loosen up down low and become 1 hit wonders. The Studio 20's are pretty damn good. I like them with there new B&W like cabinet. That speaker is very nice. With a good sub , I'd run that up against the STS.

The STS is fantastic in every meaning of the word. It's clear and crisp and hits really hard. The music abilities of this speaker is not what you would expect from a what seems to be a theater first speaker. It's imagining is pin point and soundstage is huge. Not B&W huge but pretty damn big. Bigger again then I expected. The STS blows me away. The first time I installed a pair I sat there in shock. I didn't expect to hear what I did.

Speakers are personal and there is no way for me or anyone else to judge a speaker for someone else. Studio 100' are nice speakers they are just not for me. I'm sure there are people who will like them more then the STS.

Originally Posted by dmself11

Hello everyone. I've been reading this thread for awhile and finally my Mythos st's are arriving today. I was wondering what is the best way to break in the speakers. Is general use good enough or do I need to play certain music and at a specific volume. I will have ST's with mythos 10 as a center and GEM XL's as surround. My power will be with the pioneer sc-07. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Mythos ST Owner's Manual

Your Mythos STs should sound good right out of the box; however, an extended break-in period of 40-60 hours or more of normal playing is required to reach full performance capability. Break-in allows the suspensions to work in and results in fuller bass, a more open blossoming midrange and smoother high frequency reproduction.

Originally Posted by SpedInFargo

Just out of curiosity, why did you go with the Ten instead of the Nine with the STS's? I have a pair of STS's and thought I read somewhere that the Nine was more of a match for the STS whereas the Ten was more of a match with the ST...

I had a Nine on order from my local vendor forever and they couldn't get it filled. I just went ahead and ordered a Nine from Amazon ... should be here tomorrow... (looking forward to it - I've had a temporary center channel for the last two months).

Out of curiosity, does anyone here know what's up with the Silver Gem XL? I think that's what was holding up my order and I see the've been out of stock on Amazon for a long time as well. I'm about to say screw it and order the black version... (prices on the silver versions of the front three speakers were too good to pass up...)

Originally Posted by mnbears

Alrighty, took the plunge and bought the Mythos ST / Mythos 10 / GemXL package, with the Pioneer SC07. Cannot wait to get everything and start setting up........will be like several weeks of Christmas eve......Thanks to all who post and offer comments.

Originally Posted by Macfan424

blurry_eyed, I have some thoughts, but no experience with that Denon's unique setting options, so anything I'd say would be pure guesswork on my part. What I'd suggest is submitting the information above to the guys at Definitive Technology customer service and soliciting their advice. They are extremely helpful and obviously know their product better than we do.

Oh, BTW, if they tell you the crossover, please post it here. I've been curious, too, although my guesstimate has been the same as yours.

Originally Posted by otk

have you ever heard the ST ?

Originally Posted by blurry_eyed

Hello! I'm a new Mythos STS owner and am trying to set them up for a home theater. I have a Denon 5308 AV receiver and the Denon has the capability to output to 3 independent subs. I can set the Sub outputs to L/R/LFE among various other choices. So I'm considering going with the L/R/LFE and then connecting the STS LFE inputs to the Denon and then using my dedicated Sub for the LFE output.

My question relates to the crossover and speaker size setting. Definitive recommends setting the AV receiver as 'Large' and Sub = Yes if I go with the LFE inputs on the STS's. But that seems to be the case if you are using a 'Y' connector or a AV receiver that can be set to output to one sub only. I'm experimenting now as I think the proper setup for a 3 sub output system should be: Front speaker size = Small, Crossover = Between 80hz to 150hz (still need to see how different crossover frequencies sound), Sub = Yes, Sub Configuration = L/R/LFE. I could go Sub output of 3SP-Mix.

My thought is that by using a dedicated LFE output to the STS's, I can use the Audyssey Multi EQ system to adjust each Sub's frequency response and gain the benefits of the Audyssey system in the system. I considered running the STS's full range, but then I don't think the Audyssey system could dial in the sub frequency response as well as if the STS's were being fed independent sub channel info.

Does what I'm thinking make sense? Also does anyone know exactly where the internal crossovers of the STS's are crossing over the mid range and woofer drivers? Stuff I've run across in review measurements suggests the internal crossover is set at 150hz, but I'm not sure. I poked around the Definitive site, but didn't run across any specs that spelled out the internal crossover range.

Another concern I have is that by using the Denon's crossover and running the STS's as small speakers, I'm messing up the way Definitive designed the cabinet's to resonate a bit, but in the end, I guess pleasing my ears are what matters, but I thought I'd see what the forum has to say about running a pair of STS's like this.

My total configuration is 7.3 (Mythos 9 center, STS as L/R, Gems as surround backs and M&K Dipoles as side L/R and M&K Sub - The M&K's are my leftovers from rebuilding my HT this past week with the Definitives). Thanks!