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Best cable for JL audio Fantom F113

post #1 of 82
Thread Starter 
I have been using audio quest sub1 cables for my subs and have been happy but have not A,B them agents anything else so before I blindly buy I would like to get some input. I just bought 2, F113 so I will need 2 balanced xlr cables for them. One for the D2 processor to the sub and the other to connect the other sub as a slave. What is the best ones out there without breaking the bank.
post #2 of 82
Cables won't make a difference, you can look at monoprice or bluejeanscable for what you need.
post #3 of 82
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Originally Posted by programmergeek View Post

I have been using audio quest sub1 cables for my subs and have been happy but have not A,B them agents anything else so before I blindly buy I would like to get some input. I just bought 2, F113 so I will need 2 balanced xlr cables for them. One for the D2 processor to the sub and the other to connect the other sub as a slave. What is the best ones out there without breaking the bank.

See my response in the "Official F113 Thread".

Craig
post #4 of 82
Thread Starter 
I spent about 40 minutes searching for the "Official F113 Thread" there is nothing by that name and I looked through a bunch of other threads you posted but saw nothing on cables. Can someone point me in the right direction?
post #5 of 82
As already posted BlueJeanCable.com or monoprice.com.

Don't think any harder than that...the build quality for those options is great and you can not get any thing better SQ wise.
post #6 of 82
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Originally Posted by programmergeek View Post

I spent about 40 minutes searching for the "Official F113 Thread" there is nothing by that name and I looked through a bunch of other threads you posted but saw nothing on cables. Can someone point me in the right direction?


I think Craig means this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=736243

I can't tell you where in that thread Craig named the brand of cable he recommends, but I agree with Penngray, an inexpensive XLR cable will sound as good as a $1,000 cable, (and will be much easier to work with because it won't be an inch thick, and very stiff).

Some may disagree, but the argument has been going on for decades with no definitive answer.

Here is a link to bluejeans cable balanced:

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/...udio/index.htm

A 15 foot cable will run you $39 to $43 plus shipping.
post #7 of 82
Thread Starter 
ok I have read that entire thread. The thing is freeking long and just spent 20 more minutes going through it again! This is a waste of time can someone point me to the post or quote it! Searching is not working for me. I just need a some input not to spend hours searching for a answer in threads that are hundred of messages long.

Thanks for the advice for blue jeans cables I have a bunch already and may go that direction. I do beleve cable make a difference, Sorry if this anoys anyone. I have a velodyne and going to a better silver cable was very noticable and tighened things up, wheathor this would make a difference in the Fantom I don't know, also silver could be to tight and copper may be better that is why I am posting to find out a good match, I also know there are other factors involved.
post #8 of 82
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Originally Posted by programmergeek View Post

ok I have read that entire thread. The thing is freeking long and just spent 20 more minutes going through it again! This is a waste of time can someone point me to the post or quote it! Searching is not working for me. I just need a some input not to spend hours searching for a answer in threads that are hundred of messages long.

Thanks for the advice for blue jeans cables I have a bunch already and may go that direction. I do beleve cable make a difference, Sorry if this anoys anyone. I have a velodyne and going to a better silver cable was very noticable and tighened things up, wheathor this would make a difference in the Fantom I don't know, also silver could be to tight and copper may be better that is why I am posting to find out a good match, I also know there are other factors involved.


Why don't you call J L Audio and ask them which XLR cable sounds best with their subwoofers?
post #9 of 82
Don't forget your cable supports then........and dielectric shampoo and conditioner~!
post #10 of 82
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Originally Posted by programmergeek View Post

ok I have read that entire thread. The thing is freeking long and just spent 20 more minutes going through it again! This is a waste of time can someone point me to the post or quote it! Searching is not working for me. I just need a some input not to spend hours searching for a answer in threads that are hundred of messages long.

Thanks for the advice for blue jeans cables I have a bunch already and may go that direction. I do beleve cable make a difference, Sorry if this anoys anyone. I have a velodyne and going to a better silver cable was very noticable and tighened things up, wheathor this would make a difference in the Fantom I don't know, also silver could be to tight and copper may be better that is why I am posting to find out a good match, I also know there are other factors involved.

Check out Audioquest.
post #11 of 82
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I do beleve cable make a difference, Sorry if this anoys anyone. I have a velodyne and going to a better silver cable was very noticable and tighened things up, wheathor this would make a difference in the Fantom I don't know, also silver could be to tight and copper may be better that is why I am posting to find out a good match, I also know there are other factors involved.

That is called the placebo effect since you thought the cables made a difference, it has been proven over and over again that cables do not sound different, by measurements and double blind testing.
post #12 of 82
12 gauge wire
post #13 of 82
If you like silver then I recommend rs cables or signal cables but I also own monoprice cables and they are excellent. You will have a hard time telling them apart.
post #14 of 82
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Originally Posted by programmergeek View Post

ok I have read that entire thread. The thing is freeking long and just spent 20 more minutes going through it again! This is a waste of time can someone point me to the post or quote it! Searching is not working for me. I just need a some input not to spend hours searching for a answer in threads that are hundred of messages long.

Thanks for the advice for blue jeans cables I have a bunch already and may go that direction. I do beleve cable make a difference, Sorry if this anoys anyone. I have a velodyne and going to a better silver cable was very noticable and tighened things up, wheathor this would make a difference in the Fantom I don't know, also silver could be to tight and copper may be better that is why I am posting to find out a good match, I also know there are other factors involved.

Sorry for the confusion. I posted a response to your question in the "JL Audio 13" Sub" thread, linked to by spyboy above. Your question was about the type of cable, rca or XLR, used to connect the F113. I did not post a recommendation about the *brand* of cable. Personally, I don't believe expensive cables make a difference. I have a sub cable custom made for me by RAM Electronics, (a former forum sponsor), out of coaxial cable and RCA plugs. The "custom" part was the length of 32'. I use a Bluejeans XLR Cable to connect my F112's for Master/Slave mode.

Craig
post #15 of 82
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Originally Posted by programmergeek View Post

ok I have read that entire thread. The thing is freeking long and just spent 20 more minutes going through it again! This is a waste of time can someone point me to the post or quote it! Searching is not working for me. I just need a some input not to spend hours searching for a answer in threads that are hundred of messages long.

Thanks for the advice for blue jeans cables I have a bunch already and may go that direction. I do beleve cable make a difference, Sorry if this anoys anyone. I have a velodyne and going to a better silver cable was very noticable and tighened things up, wheathor this would make a difference in the Fantom I don't know, also silver could be to tight and copper may be better that is why I am posting to find out a good match, I also know there are other factors involved.


We don't mind being annoyed if you don't mind wasting your money. Since you have had good luck with Audio Quest why don't you stick with them?

The vast majority of posters on this Forum wouldn't spend the money on silver cables. As others have said, cables make no audible difference unless they have something like a capacitor attached.

You may not remember but there was a company with a box on the end of the cable. When you attach a capacitor, resistor, or any active component to the cable you WILL hear a difference.

Then again, you may truly be a golden ear. I have read one story in which one out of 10 listeners could identify a specific cable more than 50% of the time.
post #16 of 82
Thread Starter 
Blue jeans cables it is, thanks for the advice in subs apparently people don’t hear much of a difference, that was the answer I was looking for. But if you are not hearing a difference in interconnects either your source is not good and I can understand that with using cable/tv as a source or that is not the week point of the system. The cable will not make a difference if your speakers, preamp, processor, monoblocks are not capable of that level of fidelity but once you get there, you can definably hear a difference.

Sorry I didn’t mean to turn this into a do cables make a difference thread I only wanted to see what people found matched the f113 best and to go that rout. With the AOR software it may compensate for whatever cable you use anyhow. In the past I found a manuafacture will not recomend a cable anyhoe and I find the combined knowldge is usally better anyhow.
post #17 of 82
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The vast majority of posters on this Forum wouldn't spend the money on silver cables. As others have said, cables make no audible difference unless they have something like a capacitor attached.

You may not remember but there was a company with a box on the end of the cable. When you attach a capacitor, resistor, or any active component to the cable you WILL hear a difference.

Even at that one still can not tell the difference, the high end section of this forum did a double blind test with $30,000 transparent cables and still the listener could not tell.

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But if you are not hearing a difference in interconnects either your source is not good and I can understand that with using cable/tv as a source or that is not the week point of the system. The cable will not make a difference if your speakers, preamp, processor, monoblocks are not capable of that level of fidelity but once you get there, you can definably hear a difference.

Wrong again, please tell me how a cable can make a difference? Even since the wire inside a component or speaker is basic copper and lets not forget the huge amount of basic copper that makes up the voice coils on your speaker drivers.
post #18 of 82
Besides the cables that I make, I have posted on the BAS site the links to ALL the cable / interconnect mfgs that I have been able to find in the last 8 years. It makes for some amazing reading.

The page is here:
http://www.bostonaudiosociety.org/links5.htm

it's the ENTIRE right column.
Enjoy.
Barry
post #19 of 82
Wrong again, please tell me how a cable can make a difference? Even since the wire inside a component or speaker is basic copper and lets not forget the huge amount of basic copper that makes up the voice coils on your speaker drivers.
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post #20 of 82
Thread Starter 
Take a good length of cable and measure the resistance then try it again of a different guage/quailty of pure copper. you will see a difference. Also the size strands make a difference etc. If you didn't get any difference why don't we just all use radio shack cables heck they are 1/2 the price of bluejeans cables. For that matter why even go stranded that is more $$$ to make why just only do a couple of strands. Or why not just use aluminum it is ligher and cheaper and will work.

Anyone making this statement cables do not matter at all should go buy there cables at the cheapest place possable, but I dont' see anyone using home depo zip cord why not? Just depends what level system you are trying to build.
post #21 of 82
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Take a good length of cable and measure the resistance then try it again of a different guage/quailty of pure copper. you will see a difference.

Pure copper, funny but these small measurement differences do not come into play and they definatly do not change or have a sonic characteristic.

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Also the size strands make a difference etc.

How so?

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If you didn't get any difference why don't we just all use radio shack cables heck they are 1/2 the price of bluejeans cables.

You can and in a double blind test you would not hear a difference.

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For that matter why even go stranded that is more $$$ to make why just only do a couple of strands.

That also will not matter in audio, read up on skin effect.

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Or why not just use aluminum it is ligher and cheaper and will work.

It will work and I doubt you would be able to tell.

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Anyone making this statement cables do not matter at all should go buy there cables at the cheapest place possable, but I dont' see anyone using home depo zip cord why not? Just depends what level system you are trying to build.

Lots of people use zip cord.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=941184

Read through this link, this was done on a very high end and very expensive system with $30,000 speaker cables and they could not tell.
post #22 of 82
http://consumerist.com/362926/do-coa...monster-cables

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Do Coat Hangers Sound As Good Monster Cables?

Can you tell the difference between music that passed through a pricey Monster stereo Cable, and a coat hanger? A reader forwarded us a post from the Audioholics Home Theater Forum and its author says no. He says his brother ran an experiment on him and four other audio aficionados listening to a new CD from a new group blindfolded. Seven different songs were played, each time heard with the speaker hooked up to Monster Cables, and the other time, hooked up to coat hanger wire. Nobody could determine which was the Monster Cable and which was the coat hanger. The kicker? None of the subjects even knew that coat hangers were going to be used. This is, of course, "nothing new," a Google of "monster cables vs coat hangers" shows that some users have been saying this for a while. Still, this is an experiment begging to be recreated under controlled conditions (say, for instance, a double-blind test). Science fair project! Read how it went down, inside...
post #23 of 82
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Originally Posted by King Titus View Post

Wrong again, please tell me how a cable can make a difference? Even since the wire inside a component or speaker is basic copper and lets not forget the huge amount of basic copper that makes up the voice coils on your speaker drivers.

I don't believe speaker wire brands make any difference as long as the gauge is right for the amount you run.

And I think Monster cable is a bunch of nonsense.


However, I was hooking up a subwoofer for a friend and I used a fairly decent RCA cable. She was getting some humming and static when I used it. I tried the other identical cable and got the same thing. It got really bad when it got closer to the electrical outlet.

I just happened to have a 25' LFE cable (I hate to admit it was the cheaper Monster Cable brand as I think Monster is a joke). I bought it when CompUSA went out of business for like $16. Again, this was not their "rediculous" quality cable.

So anyway, I hooked it up to her sub and guess what? The hum was totally gone, even when drapped over the electric line.





Now granted that the Monster cable was likely shielded and the other RCA cables were not. But honestly, the other cables were good cables and a decent brand (Pheonix Gold I believe). The Pheonix Gold were nice thick cables, not those cheesy RCA's.

No, I don't think Monster cables are better than other cables in their class. But, you can't just say the same gauge RCA cables are all the same. Because some are sheilded which I assume is what made the difference for me. Now I'm sure most shielded RCA's are the same, regardless of brand.


Just as a note, I use some Phillips 14 gauge speaker wire that you get from Lowes for $29 per 100'. Nothing special, no Monster junk, not expensive, but okay. I think it's cheaper than lamp wire, but looks pretty good.
post #24 of 82
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I heard about coat hangers years ago. They were used as digital coax, not speaker wire.

In the same vein, I read a professional test that used 8 gauge automotive jumper cable compared to several well known speaker cables.

The measurable difference between the jumper cable and the best speaker cable was 0.25 db at 20,000 Hz. You can draw your own conclusions.
post #25 of 82
Thread Starter 
firs off monster cable is junk, it is equivlent to good zip cord use kimber or better audioquest. I find most copper is similer reguardless of quality but there are some dofferences, going to silver definally tighens things up a bit, queation is is that what you want to do.

Eric I found that out about sub cables years ago, my fathor was a electricion and beleved as most electrictions do that cables don't make a difference. So he made me a bunch of cables. Worst thing I have herd I used them for a couple of years with mediocure equipnment and yes the sub cable hummed and they sounded ok to me. I found out sub cables usally have to be shielded. Now I don't know why sub cables are shielded and why when you shield a speaker cable it has a negitive effect and why the long innerconnects to my monoblocks do not hum.
post #26 of 82
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Originally Posted by programmergeek View Post

firs off monster cable is junk, it is equivlent to good zip cord use kimber or better audioquest. I find most copper is similer reguardless of quality but there are some dofferences, going to silver definally tighens things up a bit, queation is is that what you want to do.

Eric I found that out about sub cables years ago, my fathor was a electricion and beleved as most electrictions do that cables don't make a difference. So he made me a bunch of cables. Worst thing I have herd I used them for a couple of years with mediocure equipnment and yes the sub cable hummed and they sounded ok to me. I found out sub cables usally have to be shielded. Now I don't know why sub cables are shielded and why when you shield a speaker cable it has a negitive effect and why the long innerconnects to my monoblocks do not hum.

/giggle
post #27 of 82
I'm not a fan on of the company, but Monster's speaker cables look way better than Bluejeans. I used Monster to connect my front 3 speakers because the cables were visible.
post #28 of 82
Back to the question of a subwoofer interconnect, I was using a Monster Z series 24ft designed for a subwoofer. I bought a Synergistic Res. Alpha Sterling sub interconect (unbalanced rca). It uses a powered shield. The SR cable was increadable - noticeable tighter bass, to my ears, worth the $375 I paid for it. My sub was a Def Tech Supercube reference. I have changed my mind forever - cables are a componet and do make a difference.
post #29 of 82
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Originally Posted by dougwinsor View Post

that is called the placebo effect since you thought the cables made a difference, it has been proven over and over again that cables do not sound different, by measurements and double blind testing.

+1000
post #30 of 82
I have heard cables make a difference up to a point. There are some crazy expensive ones out there that I dont know if they sound better as I havent listened to them. It is not always a placebo affect. Some people dont want to or cant afford to spend the money so they convince themselves there is no difference. Or worse they tell everyone there is no difference without even trying it due to having a closed mind. If he hears a difference then good for him. His subs are very hi-end and if there is a difference those would show it. I use Audioquest cables not to expensive and they are very well made.
Call me crazy if you want but I trust my ears not someone that has never tried to hear a difference.
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