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post #1291 of 3149
Haven't seen any b stock in 10 months.
post #1292 of 3149
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Originally Posted by Porthos01 View Post

Anyone know just how often "B" class speakers go on sale from EMPtek? I wouldn't mind waiting for the E55Ti speakers but I don't want to wait for a sale which may never come. Also is it true that "B" class speakers are often discounted as much as 50%?
Thanks

I cant remember if they are 50% off or more. I know that it is a lot though.
post #1293 of 3149
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Originally Posted by raynist View Post

Haven't seen any b stock in 10 months.

Maybe their quality control has gotten better.
post #1294 of 3149
I got b stock e5tis in June, 2012...but I haven't seen anything since then. Btw, if there is anything worng with my mini towers, I cannot find it. At least, not before my dog knock one over!
post #1295 of 3149
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Originally Posted by Porthos01 View Post

Anyone know just how often "B" class speakers go on sale from EMPtek? I wouldn't mind waiting for the E55Ti speakers but I don't want to wait for a sale which may never come. Also is it true that "B" class speakers are often discounted as much as 50%?
Thanks

A sale will come. My best guess would be a July 4th sale as that's about 6 months from their last sale. Just call and ask them

BTW....I feel like less of a man today lol. I tried to install my surrounds yesterday, got the wire from the wallplate up into the attic, but one wall is basically an exterior wall with (2) 2x6's covering it PLUS other things. Not to mention layers and layers of insulation. (this house was built well biggrin.gif). There isn't many places around here that install, but I called one place and they said they charged $150/hr! eek.gif I can't imagine it taking more than an hour, especially seeing how I've already roughly located where to drill, the wire is sitting there next to it waiting to be fed through the wall, etc. This is partly because its a brand new house and I'm scared to mess anything up haha smile.gif
post #1296 of 3149
I know what you are saying. I just bought my house in Nov 2012 and had to put major holes in the wall for my rack and the ventilation hole underneath it. Then I had to take out some window frames to cover up the windows in my theater. I was nervous and stressed the entire time until I was done.
Here is the rack installed before the room was painted and before the trim was sanded and painted.
post #1297 of 3149
Sorry for the sideways pic. I could not get it straight up and down.
post #1298 of 3149
Yeah that looks good! If I had a theater room (will in next house for sure) then I'd do something like that rack. It makes sense to have something like that if possible. Nice job! cool.gif

I found someone for $100/hr and he said it wont take near that most likely (which means he's honest and knows what he's doing...won't take his time just to get more money). I'll pay $100 to finish up the wiring, mount the surrounds and not have to worry about anything lol. Works for me:D I'm ready to run MultEQ XT again with surrounds and watch Seal Team Six
post #1299 of 3149
Thanks! I feel you on running the wires cause that crap sucks. At least you found somebody honest. Shoot somebody charged me 100 bux just to paint a bullnose edge because i tried it and jacked it all up. I know he ripped me off but at least it looks good. Take pictureswhen it is finished.
post #1300 of 3149
Excuse the still messy house. It's weird how the blinds look red compared to the wood color in the house. Odd lol.

I still have the little rubber feet on the bottoms of the speakers. I tried to take them off, but they're on there pretty good. Anyone taken them off easily and with no scratches, etc?? Definitely don't want them to look worse after I take them off, but I think it'd look cleaner without them on there.

Right Surround


Left Surround
post #1301 of 3149
I love the way your house looks! The dark trim and the brick wall is beautiful! Good job on hanging the speakers and the hiding the wire to the speaker you were able to get the wire too. Very clean. I am very particular too. My pic was still in the cunstructions stage so the holes are filled in and the room has been painted.

Here is another pic. These pics are from an iphone so they suck. I wish I had a dslr.

post #1302 of 3149
I keep looking for the sale too and haven't seen one yet. I was hoping for a Super Bowl sale, but well...

Hopefully a 4th of July sale! C'mon!! smile.gif
post #1303 of 3149
Yeah I was hoping for a superbowl sale too! I went ahead and got the fs52's. When the E5ti's finally come back in stock or the e55ti go on sale i will move the fs52's to surround duty. I keep drooling at how good the EMPtek speakers look.
post #1304 of 3149
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

On that topic, the girl wanted to watch Hotel Transylvania tonight and I could detect some resonance with certain vocals. Again, likely something I can figure out where with my 1/3 octave sin waves, but it was a bit puzzling. I thought it was coming from all speakers, but when I switched it to stereo I didn't hear it. I think I might be hearing some vibration from my center. The stand I have for now (until my new one gets here) has glass shelves and I think it's vibrating the glass, which is making the sound. I'll definitely be looking into this tomorrow, but I really hope it's just an issue of needing to isolate the center from the stand.

Just wanted to update so there wasn't any question about quality of the e56ci. It wasn't my glass vibrating, nor was it resonance inside the e56ci. My binding posts were loose! Dangit. Tightened them up and no more noise. biggrin.gif


Anyone here like Ryan Adams? I listened to the entire Ashes & Fire album last night in one sitting lol. These speakers are such a steal at these prices
post #1305 of 3149
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

Just wanted to update so there wasn't any question about quality of the e56ci. It wasn't my glass vibrating, nor was it resonance inside the e56ci. My binding posts were loose! Dangit. Tightened them up and no more noise. biggrin.gif


Too funny
post #1306 of 3149
Has anyone ran Audyssey MultEQ (XT or XT32...or original I guess)?? I'm either having an issue with the new Denon 1712 I purchased, the speakers themselves OR my room interaction. I've mentioned before I was getting some noise from the center and that ended up to be that I just hadn't tightened down the binding posts since I got them. This is a different issue though. The issue happens on vocals and it sounds like distortion from the tweeter (on the front 3). They sound great at lower volumes until you turn them up to around -15db or higher. When I take Audyssey OFF and just run them straight through the AVR w/o any processing I don't have this issue (not as bad at least), so it's likely room interaction and/or the EQ. Take a look at what MultEQ XT did....


Front Left

63hz: +1db
125hz:+0.5db
250hz: +2db
500hz: +1db
1kHz: -0.5db
2kHz: +3db
4kHz:+1.5db
8kHz: +2.5db
16kHz: +3.5db

Front Right
63hz:+1db
125hz: -1db
250hz: +1.5db
500hz: +1.5db
1kHz: -0.5db
2kHz: +2.5db
4kHz: +1db
8kHz: +4db
16kHz: +5.5db

Center
63hz: -1db
125hz: -2.5db
250hz: +5.5db
500hz: +5db
1kHz: +1.5db
2kHz: -1.5db
4kHz: +2.5db
8kHz: +3db
16kHz: +3db



+2.5 isn't too bad on the FL, but +3.5 is getting up there. These speakers do roll off on the highs and with a larger, open room I get why it's trying to boost 4kHz+. Boosting the FR speaker +4 and +5.5 is something a little weird though. Not to mention boosting the center +5.5 and +5 at 200hz/500hz respectively. Something is wrong there. Especially when 125hz from the center is -2.5db and then 250hz is +5.5db. That's a 8db swing!! eek.gif
post #1307 of 3149
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

Has anyone ran Audyssey MultEQ (XT or XT32...or original I guess)?? I'm either having an issue with the new Denon 1712 I purchased, the speakers themselves OR my room interaction. I've mentioned before I was getting some noise from the center and that ended up to be that I just hadn't tightened down the binding posts since I got them. This is a different issue though. The issue happens on vocals and it sounds like distortion from the tweeter (on the front 3). They sound great at lower volumes until you turn them up to around -15db or higher. When I take Audyssey OFF and just run them straight through the AVR w/o any processing I don't have this issue (not as bad at least), so it's likely room interaction and/or the EQ. Take a look at what MultEQ XT did....


Front Left

63hz: +1db
125hz:+0.5db
250hz: +2db
500hz: +1db
1kHz: -0.5db
2kHz: +3db
4kHz:+1.5db
8kHz: +2.5db
16kHz: +3.5db

Front Right
63hz:+1db
125hz: -1db
250hz: +1.5db
500hz: +1.5db
1kHz: -0.5db
2kHz: +2.5db
4kHz: +1db
8kHz: +4db
16kHz: +5.5db

Center
63hz: -1db
125hz: -2.5db
250hz: +5.5db
500hz: +5db
1kHz: +1.5db
2kHz: -1.5db
4kHz: +2.5db
8kHz: +3db
16kHz: +3db



+2.5 isn't too bad on the FL, but +3.5 is getting up there. These speakers do roll off on the highs and with a larger, open room I get why it's trying to boost 4kHz+. Boosting the FR speaker +4 and +5.5 is something a little weird though. Not to mention boosting the center +5.5 and +5 at 200hz/500hz respectively. Something is wrong there. Especially when 125hz from the center is -2.5db and then 250hz is +5.5db. That's a 8db swing!! eek.gif

I just received my calibrated Dayton UMM-6 USB mic. I probably won't be able to run any test until this weekend. As soon as I run some test I'll post my results.
post #1308 of 3149
That's good news. Thanks. I know it could vary quite a bit due to room differences, but I doubt it should be that much. I'll be interested to see if you get some serious roll off above 8kHz like it's showing.

It'd be awesome if anyone with Audyssey could run it and just see what they get. Don't have to keep it or anything, but it could help me in determining whether its the speakers or the avr/eq. I forgot to add the Surrounds (e5bi's) and how they were EQ'd, but if I remember correctly they weren't boosted anywhere near what the e55ti's were. Which makes me wonder if there's an issue with the tweeter. The e55ti is x'd at 3kHz to the tweeter and it looks like it takes off being boosted around there.

Now that I'm finally waking up this morning lol....I remember that either the FL or FR sounded louder to me. Can't remember which one, but it sounded ever so slightly different.
post #1309 of 3149
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

That's good news. Thanks. I know it could vary quite a bit due to room differences, but I doubt it should be that much. I'll be interested to see if you get some serious roll off above 8kHz like it's showing.

It'd be awesome if anyone with Audyssey could run it and just see what they get. Don't have to keep it or anything, but it could help me in determining whether its the speakers or the avr/eq. I forgot to add the Surrounds (e5bi's) and how they were EQ'd, but if I remember correctly they weren't boosted anywhere near what the e55ti's were. Which makes me wonder if there's an issue with the tweeter. The e55ti is x'd at 3kHz to the tweeter and it looks like it takes off being boosted around there.

Now that I'm finally waking up this morning lol....I remember that either the FL or FR sounded louder to me. Can't remember which one, but it sounded ever so slightly different.

I wish I could help you out, but I've got a Pioneer receiver. However, my FR and FL speakers sound just a hair different too. When I run test tones out of them, it's like there's a slight tonal difference. I can't get them to match, exactly, when running test tones. Been wondering about it for a while now.
post #1310 of 3149
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Originally Posted by MrEastSide View Post

I wish I could help you out, but I've got a Pioneer receiver. However, my FR and FL speakers sound just a hair different too. When I run test tones out of them, it's like there's a slight tonal difference. I can't get them to match, exactly, when running test tones. Been wondering about it for a while now.

Hmm...that is odd. Pioneers MCACC or whatever should be somewhat close to Audyssey. I know many don't like it as much, but if you decide to run it just for the hell of it then let me know what it yields for you. With you hearing a slight variation in FL and FR also I'm really wondering if MCACC will try to bump yours up near 5db's like mine. If it doesn't, could be a sign that either the mic or AVR is bad.
post #1311 of 3149
I have Audyssey, but the Onkyo doesn't display the info like the Denon's do. I can tell you that the frequency in the +10k range does roll off that much in my room & Audyssey does boost it to compensate. This is while using a flat/music curve, however, using the movie/cinema curve, there is a roll off. Not sure how much.
post #1312 of 3149
Ah well bummer. Thanks for the thought at least smile.gif

I believe the EQ I posted is the Audyssey curve (movie/cinema). I can't even imagine how much it'd boost with Audyssey Flat. eek.gif
post #1313 of 3149
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Originally Posted by MrEastSide View Post

I wish I could help you out, but I've got a Pioneer receiver. However, my FR and FL speakers sound just a hair different too. When I run test tones out of them, it's like there's a slight tonal difference. I can't get them to match, exactly, when running test tones. Been wondering about it for a while now.

Do you think that your room is the problem and Audyssey tried to correct it?
post #1314 of 3149
I think you all have seen how mine are set up. I know that post above was directed towards MrEastSide, but since we're having the same problems I'll answer too. Mine are about 8-10" from the back wall and roughly 7 to 7.5 feet apart. My center is NOT in an enclosed stand right now so that shouldn't be an issue. Ports on the center are roughly 15-18" from the wall. It's pulled out to the edge of the stand too so no reflections off the glass or tv or whatever. No glass table, though my stand is a little low right now. When the new stand comes it'll be just slightly lower than the e55 tweeters. My e55's are pullout out past the tv too so I wouldn't expect any reflections from the glass on the tv.

Now, my room isn't a square or rectangle with walls on both sides of the e55's though. To the LEFT of the FL speaker it's open and to the RIGHT of the FR speaker it's open for about 6-7 feet and then there's a wall. Should be more than enough away to not damper any kind of result from Audyssey. I have leather furniture at the moment, but the mic was placed upright (tip pointing at the ceiling like it should be) and the mic was slightly above ear height so it wouldn't get reflections from the furniture.
post #1315 of 3149
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

Hmm...that is odd. Pioneers MCACC or whatever should be somewhat close to Audyssey. I know many don't like it as much, but if you decide to run it just for the hell of it then let me know what it yields for you. With you hearing a slight variation in FL and FR also I'm really wondering if MCACC will try to bump yours up near 5db's like mine. If it doesn't, could be a sign that either the mic or AVR is bad.

I didn't look at the MCACC info, I just couldn't remember if they showed all the same info that Audyssey does. My LF/RF aren't having a volume problem, it's a tonal imbalance. When the static tone is output, both speakers sound different. Not volume-wise, but it sounds like a complete different tone/sound. My previous Focal towers did not behave this way, with this same receiver.

It's so minor, you can't notice a thing while watching actual content. But when using test tones, it is apparent.
post #1316 of 3149
Have you opened them up at all? I wonder if anything is wired incorrectly? I might open them up just to see what's going on in there and take pics.
post #1317 of 3149
I basically, took these speakers apart when I got them, took all of the drivers out to explore. LOL! I also took the tweeter grills off, just figured, no reason to have them being obstructed. However, at the time, I didn't really look at any wiring. Although, the speakers sound fine, the slight tone mismatch has me curious, so I may have to open them back up. It's not like it's hard, few screws and unplug the wires. cool.gif
post #1318 of 3149
Did you notice any sound difference with the tweeter grills off?
post #1319 of 3149
I don't know. I took them off the day I got the speakers, before I even really listened to them. LOL! I just remember when I got my Focal towers, more than one of the reviews recommended removing the tweeter grill because the reviewers felt they sounded better with it off. Since then, I've been of the mindset that, if you don't need it, take it off. And seeing as these speakers have your standard, cloth speaker grill on the entire front, already, I didn't see any reason to have, yet, a second grill (obstruction) in front of the tweeter. I mean, if I ever move or something, I'll throw the little grill back on for the move. But, I see no need to protect the tweeter that much with the second grill. I don't move my speakers around, constantly, or play around by them. cool.gif

Also, considering they're a soft dome tweeter, and most people I've heard talk about soft dome tweeters (reviewers, members on these forums, etc...) seem to say that they usually create a neutral, laid back sound, I figured, no need to make them even more neutral sounding. Not that neutral and laid back is bad, but I wanna be sure that my highs are crisp, clear and accurate, and it stands to reason that having a tweeter cover blocking your tweeter would (could) take away some clarity, definition and possibly, accuracy. I mean, look at the grills that cover the tweeter. When you consider how little the holes are that let the sound through, then look at all the plastic that actually makes up the grill, you're essentially blocking 50% of the tweeter with that cover. Say you took all of the solid portion of the grill and moved it to one side of the tweeter, think of how much of the tweeter that would block. Obviously, that analogy doesn't work, perfectly, since the little holes in the cover are all spaced out, thus letting plenty of sound through, but the fact is, you are blocking the tweeter with an object.

Probably went into more detail than I needed to, but just wanted to be clear why I like the idea of not having a cover on my tweeter. Also, if you look at a lot of speakers, you'll notice many manufacturer's don't put a cover on their tweeter. Sound quality aside, I just don't see the need, when you've usually got the standard grill covering the whole front. And unless you're playing tennis in your living room, what is really going to happen to the tweeter? Hell, a lot of reviewers and people on these forums think taking even the cloth grill off and having nothing covering your speakers is the best way to listen to them.
post #1320 of 3149
Yeah I'll likely take mine off soon. Thought about keeping them on so that when the little one gets old enough to reach and explore he/she won't send a finger through it lol. I'd think EMP would be able to sell a driver to me though and not require an entire e55ti purchase.

On another note.....I listened to a few of my problem areas again and I couldn't hear it this time. I do believe I have ETD coupled with some bad allergies (thanks Oklahoma wind mad.gif) so maybe my ears were just full/pressurized or something that day. I'll listen to it again in a bit just to make sure but....didn't hear it lol. Weird.

I'm still not okay with the center channel EQ hump. Adding 3db or more on the FL/FR isn't helping my mind either. It's up high though so 2x the power isn't a big deal up there where it's easier to drive the tweeter I guess.
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