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post #1501 of 3149
I just use MonoPrice 12Ga

Those banana plugs im sure will work fine, they look just like the "Monster" saftey plugs or whatever the hell they call them.
post #1502 of 3149
Thanks for letting me know about the plugs. Any suggestions on speaker wire? I just want to get these bad boys to perform at the optimal level
post #1503 of 3149
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Originally Posted by bigjoexxl View Post

Thanks for letting me know about the plugs. Any suggestions on speaker wire? I just want to get these bad boys to perform at the optimal level

I told you, monoprice 12GA wire.. lol that wasnt banana plug advise biggrin.gif

The banana plugs you posted I was saying look like the monster branded ones and should be fine
post #1504 of 3149
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

Well...decided to re-run Audyssey when I got home just to see if removing the tweeter grills would have any effect on the EQ. I haven't changed anything in the setup. The only thing that changed was obviously the mic placement, but I used the exact same procedure and rough location for each step (1-8).

Front Left
Before it was +2.5db @ 8kHz and +3.5db @ 16kHz
Now it's +5db for both!!

Front Right
Before it was +4db @ 8kHz and +5.5db @ 16kHz
Now it's +6db for both!!


What the heck. I'm not a big fan of boosting the top end more than a few db's as it likely introduces distortion. I am definitely NOT okay with a 5db and 6db boost up top. The entire bandwidth (for EQ purposes) the tweeter covers has been boosted on each FL, FR and Center. I understand my room is rather large and open, but that's a little excessive. I still have that massive dip at 250hz and 500hz that needs a +4.5 to +5db boost from the center. It does sound slightly different than the FL and FR. A little more "bloated" if you will.

I'm beginning to wonder if something isn't right redface.gif

Well..I'm about to run MultEQ XT again. After looking at my fronts, they're "on-axis" if you're sitting a little past the edge of the couch...NOT in the middle where I did my first "step"....aka where it's time aligned to and where the sweet spot is. I angled the speakers to be perfectly on-axis with the middle of the couch so we'll see what it does for the high frequencies. It makes sense that it'd be boosting the top end that much sense they could have been 20-30deg off-axis in the sweet spot. We shall see!! I'll report back

Tomorrow I'll tackle some possible deadening techniques and see what happens. No way I'm doing it today as I just found out today I'll be having a little girl! biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by bigjoexxl View Post

Just received my new E55Ti Tower Speakers and matching center yesterday. So I thought I would check in and ask everyone if there are any recommendations on speaker wire and banana plugs??

I'm considering these for my banana plugs...
http://sewelldirect.com/Sewell-Deadbolt-Banana-Plugs-12-Pair.asp

Here's what I used. It's worked great and looks great!
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

Just made this one a few days ago and I'll be finishing up my others today. Includes:

12awg In-Wall Monoprice
3/8" Black Techflex
1/2"-1/4" Heatshrink {over Techflex}
3/16"-3/32" Heatshrink {over 12awg}
Sewell Deadbolt Banana Plugs




post #1505 of 3149
I'll add that I wish I would have just purchased the cable pants. I think they look better with cable pants.
post #1506 of 3149
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

Well..I'm about to run MultEQ XT again. After looking at my fronts, they're "on-axis" if you're sitting a little past the edge of the couch...NOT in the middle where I did my first "step"....aka where it's time aligned to and where the sweet spot is. I angled the speakers to be perfectly on-axis with the middle of the couch so we'll see what it does for the high frequencies. It makes sense that it'd be boosting the top end that much sense they could have been 20-30deg off-axis in the sweet spot. We shall see!! I'll report back

Put them on-axis....same results. 4.5 to 6db of boost from 2kHz up on FL, FR and Center. I wonder if my mic is bad? I mean it doesn't sound awful. Sounds balanced, but 6db boost is quite a roll-off for being on-axis!eek.gif
post #1507 of 3149
I ran into a problem trying to hook up the wall mount speakers. When I unscrewed the binding post, the nut that holds it in fell into the case. Now I can't get the post to screw back in. Anyone got any ideas for fishing it back out? I can see it there, and I can move it around as there is a strong magnetic field there. I doubt that I will be able to get it lined up.

I tried to take off the end as they say you can do to replace the grill, but it did not come with the proper hex wrench and the ones I have are having problems with the nuts. I'm not even sure that I can get to the post anyway.

Overall, they look very nice and feel very solid, but don't do me much good if they can't be played!
post #1508 of 3149
Not sure if I follow you all the way but are you saying that the post fell inside the speaker? The magnetic feild is do to the magnets on the drivers. can you take a driver out and get to the post that way? If I am not in the right area with what you are asking post a pic. I hope this helps.
post #1509 of 3149
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

Put them on-axis....same results. 4.5 to 6db of boost from 2kHz up on FL, FR and Center. I wonder if my mic is bad? I mean it doesn't sound awful. Sounds balanced, but 6db boost is quite a roll-off for being on-axis!eek.gif

What mic do you have and is it calibrated with the software? That could be the issue.
post #1510 of 3149
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Originally Posted by gregoryperkins View Post

I ran into a problem trying to hook up the wall mount speakers. When I unscrewed the binding post, the nut that holds it in fell into the case. Now I can't get the post to screw back in. Anyone got any ideas for fishing it back out? I can see it there, and I can move it around as there is a strong magnetic field there. I doubt that I will be able to get it lined up.

I tried to take off the end as they say you can do to replace the grill, but it did not come with the proper hex wrench and the ones I have are having problems with the nuts. I'm not even sure that I can get to the post anyway.

Overall, they look very nice and feel very solid, but don't do me much good if they can't be played!

Not sure I follow, but something on the binding post fell into the speaker? Either take the entire binding post plate off or just remove a speaker and see if it's attached to the magnet of the speaker. You won't hurt anything

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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

What mic do you have and is it calibrated with the software? That could be the issue.

I'm just using the Audyssey mic that came with my AVR (Denon 1712 refurb from A4L; about 3 wks old). Maybe the mic is bad. I guess I'll call A4L or Denon on Monday and see what they can do
post #1511 of 3149
It's not a removable plate, at least it does not appear to be removable from the outside. It looks like it is a defect. The binding post came out of the speaker with the cap and it is not supposed to do that. The cap on the end of the post is supposed to come off. It looks like someone got over zealous tightening it onto the post.

The other speaker unscrews properly. I'll wait to see what they say.
Edited by gregoryperkins - 3/2/13 at 10:36am
post #1512 of 3149
OU Sooner, how far are you from your mains? Audioholics or someone reported while testing that the resistor within the crossover is padding down the tweets purposely. If your over 12 feet to your listening position and the crossover is designed for soft high freqs then your issue maybe your listening distance. You mention that your room is large and your receiver is up that high...minus 8db, you may require more sensitive mains. I know from your posts how much you love them and you do have another option. Buy some quality pre built 3 way crossovers without the lowered padding on the high side. You may have to get some more capable soft domes and that friend would solve your listening issues. Positive would also be a lowered listening level with more output. My. 02 and i'm a okie being born in Tulsa. Love my Sooners!
post #1513 of 3149
Audyssey puts my TA at 10.6'

I believe they're a very good speaker for the money, but it's a little concerning with it needing that much of a boost on-axis... And that's still with a slight roll off. Maybe I'll try it without the grille to say, but they're always on so no real point in doing that. I know it doesn't take much power to drive those higher frequencies so it's not much of a stress on the AVR, but I just hope boosting them that much doesn't introduce distortion.



On another note....WOOOW! Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds: Live at Radio City sounds gooooooood eek.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

My brother heard them and within 5 minutes said he wanted them lol
Edited by ousooner2 - 3/3/13 at 12:01pm
post #1514 of 3149
When calibrated with the "flat" response, what are the high freq results? At that listening distance and your big room you should be flirting with that THX ultra 2 levels. I do understand that the regular Audyssey curve automatically rolls off the high freqs based on a huge amount of audiology and how humans perceive sound at specific volume levels.
post #1515 of 3149
Most of the quality recordings are plenty loud around -20 to -18db. That's tops and then it starts to get uncomfortable lol. Some movies I've played around -8 to -10db, but it could have just been a bad blu-ray rip. My Monsters Inc. rip was around 10gb and it sounded absolutely incredible and plenty loud at around -15db. I mean they get PLENTY loud so there's no issue of running out of steam. My biggest issue....well, it's moreso a concern, but it's if Audyssey introduces distortion when it boost frequencies that much. It really doesn't sound like it...just curious.

They sound incredible though. They're so true the source. Not bright or edgy and not dull and lifeless. I just went from Dave Matthews to Korn and it sounds phenomenal on both. Still amazed at the BF price. CRAZY
post #1516 of 3149
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

Audyssey puts my TA at 10.6'

I believe they're a very good speaker for the money, but it's a little concerning with it needing that much of a boost on-axis... And that's still with a slight roll off. Maybe I'll try it without the grille to say, but they're always on so no real point in doing that. I know it doesn't take much power to drive those higher frequencies so it's not much of a stress on the AVR, but I just hope boosting them that much doesn't introduce distortion.



On another note....WOOOW! Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds: Live at Radio City sounds gooooooood eek.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

My brother heard them and within 5 minutes said he wanted them lol

Im not a huge DMB fan, most of his normal in studio recordings I don't care for, but I can listen to the live at radio city blu ray over and over and over. Sounds amazing, and most of the songs tempos and sound is so much better with this concert IMO
post #1517 of 3149
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Originally Posted by Hspecialist View Post

OU Sooner, how far are you from your mains? Audioholics or someone reported while testing that the resistor within the crossover is padding down the tweets purposely. If your over 12 feet to your listening position and the crossover is designed for soft high freqs then your issue maybe your listening distance. You mention that your room is large and your receiver is up that high...minus 8db, you may require more sensitive mains. I know from your posts how much you love them and you do have another option. Buy some quality pre built 3 way crossovers without the lowered padding on the high side.

You may have to get some more capable soft domes and that friend would solve your listening issues. Positive would also be a lowered listening level with more output. My. 02 and i'm a okie being born in Tulsa. Love my Sooners!

Okie! Nice biggrin.gif

What would I look for on the x-overs to see if there is some sort of L-pad or something that's padding down the tweeter level?

Again, they sound fine for all those potential buyers.....just investigating all parts of the speaker. I think it'd be cool to drop in something like the Seas 29TFF .....something that obviously fit in the given area for the e55ti tweeter, but that was a proven tweeter. It wouldn't really matter though if there is something on the x-over that is padding the tweeter. Maybe I can get with EMP to see what they say
post #1518 of 3149
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Originally Posted by Shady195 View Post

Im not a huge DMB fan, most of his normal in studio recordings I don't care for, but I can listen to the live at radio city blu ray over and over and over. Sounds amazing, and most of the songs tempos and sound is so much better with this concert IMO

So how are you liking the e55's now that you got the tweeter issue resolved? Didn't you have the HTD Lvl 2 (...or was it lvl 3) bookshelves before these?
post #1519 of 3149
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

So how are you liking the e55's now that you got the tweeter issue resolved? Didn't you have the HTD Lvl 2 (...or was it lvl 3) bookshelves before these?

They are fantastic. I need to get all the graphs I took with REW up like I've beens aying I'll do for over a week now. I just keep forgetting my laptop at work (Has all the graphs) tongue.gif

They have gotten the heaviest workout over the past 3-4 days. Ive had soem time without anyone in the house. My parents took my daughter to new jersey this weekend so me the wife and a friend of mine had a little "Movie night" on saturday and sunday and I used some pretty intense movies to give them a workout. Turned up to a quite satisfying -10DB which is pretty damn loud for my room. I'd say it was just as, if not slightly louder than whenever I go to the movie theater.

I need to get the matching bookshelves now for surrounds.

They do have a few small shortcomings, such as cabinet resonance, and while the tweeter handles a lot I have made it break up a little, though honestly unless im trying to do it and listening for it its not noticeable.

I'll put up my own review sometimes soon.
post #1520 of 3149
Well I will join the EMP club. Yesterday I picked up a pair of the E55Ti speakers. They will be replacing Pioneer s-g300b-k, needless to say this is a very major upgrade for me. The only down part is I've got to wait another week or so for the things to ship, I wanted them in red and those are on back order. So for the next week I'll be working through this thread and living vicariously through you all.
post #1521 of 3149
Welcome to the EMP owner club! The speakers look great and sound just as good!
post #1522 of 3149
I'm the fence with these. Does anyone know how these compare to the B&W 683s?
post #1523 of 3149
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Originally Posted by somedude1 View Post

I'm the fence with these. Does anyone know how these compare to the B&W 683s?

Having heard both quite extensively now..

I'd say there a very close match in terms of sound quality, you need to remember that different driver technologies and cabinet designs make for different sounding speakers

They are two different sounding speakers, with the Aluminium tweeter and large FST driver the B&W has a top end that really stands out when comparing speakers, they will most certainly grab your ears over many others, with a direct no EQ sound it may be to bright for some with that tweeter and mid. I found myself feeling a little strained when I was listeing to a few songs, but in a room with something like audyssey running I'm sure they would sound much more mellow and much easier to listen to for extended periods.

The B&W seems to handle really extreme highs a little better than the EMP, but I mean I seriously have to try to get the EMPs tweeter to break up. The B&W doesnt suffer the bit of cabinet resonance the EMP does. With movies not so much an issue, but with some music I do find myself a little thrown off when I hear some resonance. These few shortcomings with the EMP vs the B&W does in my eyes make the B&W a better overall speaker, but if you can look past these very nit picky remakrs its not worth the extra coin in my opinion.

I was personally deciding between the B&W 683s, the Paradigm Monitor 11's and these EMP E55ti. I decided to take a gamble with EMP and I'm happy I did. When I just sit and listen to them and I dont nit pick, i find myself melting in my couch drifting away into whatever it is im listening to, vocals soudn natural, guitrars come to life and when you close your eyes and tilt your head back everything just seems to melt into one big materpiece meant just for you.

Do yourself a favor, either take a gamble and get something like these EMP or go listen to some speakers and buyt he ones you like, if you spend to much time like I did for awhile going nuts trying to decide, dissecting every review, picking at every fault you purposely try to find just to justify the other speaker etc, you will be aggravated and miserable with everything you buy until you learn to just enjoy it. One speaker will always have a fault another doesnt, and that one that doesnt will also have a fault that another doesnt... unless your going to spend a mortgage on speakers chances are your not going to find anything thats "perfect"

Id take the EMP's over the 683s again in a heartbeat, I love how they sound regardless of a few shortcomings, and that little bit to much does not justify the extra cost of the B&W's
post #1524 of 3149
Thanks! This helps.
post #1525 of 3149
I think I am going to pick up some damping material as well as some polyfill and line and fill the inside of the EMP's a bit and see if this helps with the resonance.
post #1526 of 3149
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Originally Posted by AllenA07 View Post

Well I will join the EMP club. Yesterday I picked up a pair of the E55Ti speakers. They will be replacing Pioneer s-g300b-k, needless to say this is a very major upgrade for me. The only down part is I've got to wait another week or so for the things to ship, I wanted them in red and those are on back order. So for the next week I'll be working through this thread and living vicariously through you all.

Welcome! I'm sure you'll love them smile.gif

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Originally Posted by Shady195 View Post

Having heard both quite extensively now..

I'd say there a very close match in terms of sound quality, you need to remember that different driver technologies and cabinet designs make for different sounding speakers

They are two different sounding speakers, with the Aluminium tweeter and large FST driver the B&W has a top end that really stands out when comparing speakers, they will most certainly grab your ears over many others, with a direct no EQ sound it may be to bright for some with that tweeter and mid. I found myself feeling a little strained when I was listeing to a few songs, but in a room with something like audyssey running I'm sure they would sound much more mellow and much easier to listen to for extended periods.

The B&W seems to handle really extreme highs a little better than the EMP, but I mean I seriously have to try to get the EMPs tweeter to break up. The B&W doesnt suffer the bit of cabinet resonance the EMP does. With movies not so much an issue, but with some music I do find myself a little thrown off when I hear some resonance. These few shortcomings with the EMP vs the B&W does in my eyes make the B&W a better overall speaker, but if you can look past these very nit picky remakrs its not worth the extra coin in my opinion.

I was personally deciding between the B&W 683s, the Paradigm Monitor 11's and these EMP E55ti. I decided to take a gamble with EMP and I'm happy I did. When I just sit and listen to them and I dont nit pick, i find myself melting in my couch drifting away into whatever it is im listening to, vocals soudn natural, guitrars come to life and when you close your eyes and tilt your head back everything just seems to melt into one big materpiece meant just for you.

Do yourself a favor, either take a gamble and get something like these EMP or go listen to some speakers and buyt he ones you like, if you spend to much time like I did for awhile going nuts trying to decide, dissecting every review, picking at every fault you purposely try to find just to justify the other speaker etc, you will be aggravated and miserable with everything you buy until you learn to just enjoy it. One speaker will always have a fault another doesnt, and that one that doesnt will also have a fault that another doesnt... unless your going to spend a mortgage on speakers chances are your not going to find anything thats "perfect"

Id take the EMP's over the 683s again in a heartbeat, I love how they sound regardless of a few shortcomings, and that little bit to much does not justify the extra cost of the B&W's

I was also looking at the Paradigm Monitor 11's. I'd still like to hear them. Did you get the chance to audition them also??

About the bolded part.....I couldn't have said that better. You sound EXACTLY like myself. I was just like that with my SQ car setup. I was reading into things and trying to nit pick EVERY single little thing instead of just enjoying the music. At one point I just sold everything because I wasn't even having fun anymore lol

The point is you're never going to hear every speaker you'd like in your own home. It's just VERY unlikely to happen. There's always going to be that "what if" or "i wonder how this speaker would sound on this part instead of what I have". Just enjoy what you have and enjoy the music. If something is bothering you to where you can't enjoy the music THEN look elsewhere or for a way to fix it. That's what I've learned at least..

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Originally Posted by Shady195 View Post

I think I am going to pick up some damping material as well as some polyfill and line and fill the inside of the EMP's a bit and see if this helps with the resonance.

Nice! It'd be great to collaborate with you on dampening materials, polyfil amounts, what you're finding, etc. Something like Seconds Skins "Spectrum" likely wouldn't work so I'm at a loss for what to do. I mean it's not that much of an issue I guess. Just be fun to see if there's a difference.

Do you have any idea's?
Edited by ousooner2 - 3/5/13 at 10:53am
post #1527 of 3149
So as promised from a week or two ago, here are my REW graphs from my room. AS you will see there are drastic differences with different frequencie dips and spike between the Left, center and right speaker. I am thinking of ordering a few acoustic panels to play with and see if I can manage to get my room to sound a bit better without pissing off the wife tongue.gif

Aparently Integra THX certified receivers dont have the Audyssey Calibration curve option, at least mine does not. Instead the "THX Settings" dictate which audyssey curve the receiver uses. I forget off hand what it is but iirc no THX but audyssey on is Reference, THX Cinema is the movie curve and THX Music is the flat curve

All of these are with the Sub on

No Audyssey







Audyssey (No THX)







THX Music







THX Cinema







Subwoofer - While not EMP I was impressed with what it did to the sub, though there seems to be no real difference between the "Reference, flat, music" curves, but the difference between no sub EQ and with the corrections made is pretty outstanding IMO



post #1528 of 3149
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

Welcome! I'm sure you'll love them smile.gif
I was also looking at the Paradigm Monitor 11's. I'd still like to hear them. Did you get the chance to audition them also?? .

Do you have any idea's?

Yes, I did get a chance to audition the monitor 11's. Overall I'd say they sound very similar to the B&W 683's just in a slimmer better looking package IMO. Though its really hard to say because unlike some others I was unable to A/B them because the Paradigm dealer was 30 minutes away from the other dealer where I auditioned the B&W's, KEF, totem, Golden Ear etc..

Also the paradigm dealer unlike the B&W dealer did not have a treated room, there was some echo, hard concrete floors etc, the bass performance on the Monitor 11 sucked, but id attribute that more to the room sucking. but based on what I heard between them if it came between the Paradigms and the B&W it would simply come down to asthetics for me, and to me the paradigms look much better and sleeker.

As far as Ideas to eliminate cabinet resonance, while im really just going at this with a blind eye so to speak. I'm thinking about getting some dampning foam like used it subs and trying my best to line the inside of the bottom chamber of the EMP. Then stuff as much polyfill as I can without "packing" it in. Take some out put some in, etc and see if I can make a difference. Either that or get some "dynomat" type material thats thin but heavy and try and line the inside with that..

Realisticly id love to try and brace it a bit more, but without being sloppy about it and kind of "ghetto" rigging it, I dont think theres really any wayto do so properly that does not involve taking the cabinet apart which I wont do.
post #1529 of 3149
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Originally Posted by Shady195 View Post

So as promised from a week or two ago, here are my REW graphs from my room. AS you will see there are drastic differences with different frequencie dips and spike between the Left, center and right speaker. I am thinking of ordering a few acoustic panels to play with and see if I can manage to get my room to sound a bit better without pissing off the wife tongue.gif

Aparently Integra THX certified receivers dont have the Audyssey Calibration curve option, at least mine does not. Instead the "THX Settings" dictate which audyssey curve the receiver uses. I forget off hand what it is but iirc no THX but audyssey on is Reference, THX Cinema is the movie curve and THX Music is the flat curve

All of these are with the Sub on

No Audyssey







Audyssey (No THX)







THX Music







THX Cinema







Subwoofer - While not EMP I was impressed with what it did to the sub, though there seems to be no real difference between the "Reference, flat, music" curves, but the difference between no sub EQ and with the corrections made is pretty outstanding IMO




Running the sub just a tad hot, don't you think biggrin.gif
post #1530 of 3149
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

Running the sub just a tad hot, don't you think biggrin.gif

According to the white noise test tone no tongue.gif

but yes its been turned down a bit since that measurement, I just never saved/exported it, it runs around ~95DB right now. For movies its great but for music I do turn it down quite a bit more than that.

Its amazing what audyssey did for the sub, while the RW-12D is great in terms of getting loud, its hardly the "best sounding" sometimes it just makes noise, especially before audyssey, but after audyssey I am amazed at how much better it soudned, how much more "punch" it had compared to just some loud drone that made my house shake.

I watched clover field and both Clash/Wrath of the titans and my wife was looking at me like a tool as I sat with a big **** eating grin on my face whenever the house started to shake when things were blowing up
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