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post #1591 of 3142
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

If your space isn't huge and/or you're not a basshead, then that LFM-1ex should be just fine. I'm thinking about picking one up myself sometime soon. Seems like it's on par with some $700+ subs as far as SPL and everyone claims it's sounds great also. These are decent without a sub, but unless you've got a dedicated 2 channel setup (built for that) then I'd always advise a sub(s).

The e55's sound great by themselves without EQ, but I think they need EQ on the top end to become come alive and become more neutral. The top end (about 3-4kHz...so pretty much where the tweeter takes over) is a few db's down from what I believe it should be. I've already emailed EMP about it and they said they'll have a talk with the engineer about it. I know Gene from Audioholics found the same thing when he reviewed them. They're a little laid back on the top end, but like I said when a good EQ setup like MultEQ (if you have MultEQ XT or XT32 then that's even better) they'll become flatter on the top end and it really opens out the top end and adds a sense of presence to the treble (obviously b/c they're eq'd flat now!)

Randall.White -- Where you located? Maybe someone is close to you...

The Outlaw LFM-1ex is on sale right now
post #1592 of 3142
Noooo!! Don't tell me that! lol.

I have so much other stuff to buy for the nursery. Looks like it's still at $629 shipped. Wasn't it down to like $529 or $549 shipped at one point?
post #1593 of 3142
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

Noooo!! Don't tell me that! lol.

I have so much other stuff to buy for the nursery. Looks like it's still at $629 shipped. Wasn't it down to like $529 or $549 shipped at one point?

Black Friday. That's when I bought my plus. In all honesty, I think if the plus by itself doesn't do it, neither will the EX. So, in my opinion you are better at droping a grand on two pluses when they go on sale.
post #1594 of 3142
I live in Washington. In a small town where no one is into "Home theater" or quality speakers. People around here love Bose. The Outlaw sub won't be in that room. I have a pool table in there now but plan to sell it and buy a new couch/seating then add some speakers. I had Polk Monitor 70's in there but didn't care for them.
post #1595 of 3142
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

The Outlaw LFM-1ex is on sale right now

I just got the email saying this too. I wonder if the other models are on sale also?

**Just checked, no other subs are on sale.
Edited by Randall.White - 4/3/13 at 3:37pm
post #1596 of 3142
I was looking at the e3b and I noticed the low sensitivity. Is this a problem? I was looking for surrounds for my ew fronts.

Just looking for something that is small enough for placement and can cross over at 80 hz.

My options are
Kef c1
Kef ventura 5
Def tech promonitor 800
Emp e3b

I'm really interested in the mirage Nanosats but they have a low end of 110 hz is this gap that bad?

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post #1597 of 3142
Woah!! Ok, been a while since I've been back to the boards since my BF purchase (been working 70-80h weeks, ugghh).. But holy crap did I have a breakthrough with my speakers this weekend!

Like I've mentioned here before, I was always happy with home theatre/blu-ray results after playing with placement over and over along with a bit of eq and some simple level adjustments. But during designated music listening, I was always frustrated and let down with my emptek's.. They just fell flat and had no dynamic range whatsoever (and i don't mean flat as in a flat response - i've recorded and mixed with ns-10's before so i feel like I have at least a basic idea of what flat reference speakers should sound like).. However, I am the farthest thing from an audiophile or professional - I just tend to be overly critical with everything audio and video related (part of my job) and am rarely ever "amazed" by products in either camp.. So I just chalked it up to what everyone on here was referring to as them being "laid back"..

Needless to say, I finally found the main culprit to my problems - and it was completely my own fault.

I use my ps3 to listen to all my cd's and I had been curiously researching the bitmapping types in the music settings.. Further information led me to find that these only applied to upsampling the output when set correctly. So I take a look and I'm outputting at 48khz over optical with multi-output turned on (i have hdmi to the tv and optical to an older receiver that doesn't have hdmi so i never cared that hdmi was only outputting 2ch to the tv as long as the 5.1 was getting sent to the yammy - this was useful so that we could watch hulu or shows on netflix and just have simple sound coming through the tv without having to get the stereo involved if desired).. So I reran the optical settings to allow higher samplings and switched from 48khz to 44.1/88.2/176.4 as the output (i knew the yammy could do 96/24 but wasn't sure what it would do with the others).

Boom! I feel like I'm finally hearing the speakers that everyone on here has been raving about.. Thank god I didn't return these during my 30 day trial period back in Jan (i kept telling myself i must be missing something due to the overwhelming response and thoughts posted here). It completely changed so much that I literally had a chill go down my spine during the first track that I played with the settings switched over. Personally, I'm kicking myself for not investigating this sooner but I'm also a bit shocked that either the PS3 or my receiver is destroying the signal that much in 48khz mode.. Craziness. The downside of course is that multi-output had to be disabled and that you can't multi-task (menu/internet/photos/browse for other tracks/etc) unless you're in 48khz. Maybe the ps3 needs to dedicate more resources in 44.1/88.2/176.4 mode?

I did end up limiting the upsampling to 88.2.. Surprisingly, the yammy handled and played back the 176.4 just fine, but only as straight. 88.2 still allowed for dsp and eq settings to still be applied.. In fact, I'm going to have to re-EQ them all over again because of how different they are. I was pushing them way too much before to "try" to open them up a bit. And for those interested, I decided on bitmapping type 2. I couldn't hear any difference between 2 and 3 but for some reason I feel like I occasionally heard some distortion on 3 but I could be going crazy. Type 2 was definitely better than type 1..

Now that my work is starting to calm down a bit from the insane OT, I can finally get to enjoy and perfect these beauties.

So HAPPY!!
post #1598 of 3142
Hey guys, not much noise in here lately so I'll post up and bump this thread. It might not be the best bump though, as I'm having a few more issues with my setup.

1. Not emp related, but could be messing with my speakers if in fact the AVR is faulty. When turning up the volume quickly on the remote or on the volume knob, I get a scratchy sound through my speakers. I'm using a Denon 1712 purchased from Accessories4Less. Maybe the AVR is faulty

2. This issue is with the tweeter on one of my e55's. I have heard this before, but thought it was something else. Well I heard it again yesterday and decided to track it down. I've found that when I played a 5kHz sine wave tone through one of my e55ti's and pressed on the top of the faceplate on the tweeter....it would start a very high pitched whine. Sometimes I wouldn't even have to touch it for it to make the sound. I even replicated it by tipping the speaker a bit. Almost like something was loose inside! Who knows if it's something loose with the tweeter or the x-over. I couldn't replicate it on the other e55ti

3. I'm still getting this distortion/scratchy noise at certain times when watching blu-rays. Now, I can replicate it by using The Avengers (about 12-13 minutes in when she's being interrogated). When the guy talks during certain parts I can hear a scratchy/distortion like sound coming from the tweeter. I tightened down the screws, still happened. Loosened things a big, still happened. I removed the tweeter to make sure everything was tight back there, make sure my binding posts were good, etc. Still happened.


These speakers are really something special when this noise isn't happening through the tweeter. Looks like EMP is sending me a few replacement tweeters to see if that's the issue. I'll report back redface.gif
Edited by ousooner2 - 4/15/13 at 12:12pm
post #1599 of 3142
What info?

/take off your quote lol.

No, but that was my way of trying to replicate this issue. It won't happen with music (all is high bitrate from cd-rip), but it happens when something is mixed to use the CC (movie from my cable provider, etc). By using a compressed movie (at least I figure it's highly compressed being only 16gb as opposed to most BR's that are on the order of 30gb or so) I could duplicate the issue to hone in on the issue and see if the tweeter was at fault OR if the source was at fault.
Edited by ousooner2 - 4/15/13 at 12:29pm
post #1600 of 3142
Done deal. A typical rip averages 16-25GB for 2D & of course, higher for 3D. You should not be hearing any distortion what so ever. What's up with the tweeter's on the EMP's? They pad them to roll off, pretty steep in my opinion & it seems to be the number one complaint about them.
post #1601 of 3142
I've spoken with them over the past few weeks about possibly redo'ing the x-over network (if they padded the tweeter) or look into a higher sensitivity tweeter. I know it seems like most consumers that have budget setups like that hotter treble and lower midrange, but these are voiced very neutral and I love that. My only complaint is just that though, it seems they padded the tweeter a little too much causing it to loose a little of that air or presence. They have said they would pass it along to their engineers and see what they can find out. I mean it's not terrible at all so hopefully I'm not giving off that Impression (pun intended...for those that got it tongue.gif).

Unfortunately they told me that the faceplate is different from the RBH signature lines so the Scan tweeter wont fit. Bummer! I'd be all over that. The faceplate is a little smaller (at around 3.75") than most faceplates found on PartsExpress, Madisound, etc. Now, The faceplate can come off the tweeter obviously, so you might be able to swap with a higher sensitivity tweeter and just use the e55ti faceplate. Not sure if the tweeter is a 6ohm or 8ohm tweeter though. But yeah, the tweeter isn't bad at all. And it's damn near perfect with EQ to pull it up
post #1602 of 3142
I've thought about checking into other options, but as you pointed out, with eq'ing & running my receiver in music mode vs movie mode definitely brings the tweeters to life. The only issue I had with the EMP's was the roll-off above 3000Hz, but once I(Audyssey) applied some EQ'ing, they sound great. If one were to change the tweeters, I think there would have to be some adjustments made to the cross-overs also. Otherwise I think you would be wasting your time. Just be to be clear though, the tweeters are perfectly fine, they just need a little bump.biggrin.gif
post #1603 of 3142
I have been reading and researching a lot for my HT.

I have a HTIB in an apartment but will be moving to a house and want to get good speakers that look and sound good. Some of the good looking ones are quiet expensive like Focal, KEF etc.

I just read good reviews about the emp55ti on audioholics and specially for the 50% off that some people got last year. I am in no hurry and I have heard that they usually have a sale during summer.

So, the room is 22X19, carpeted and open to the kitchen. i am planning to add the Klipsch RW 12d sub and center later.

have found from listening to a few speakers in the store that I like crisp and clean sounds. Do these speakers fall in that category.

I just listened to focal 806v yesterday and as much i want to love them, i found the sound to be not coming to me.

Whereas, i liked the polk sound, maybe i am missing something here, but i think thats mu listening preference.

Can you guys who own these speakers give me some suggestions
post #1604 of 3142
Does EMP offer discounts or sales?
post #1605 of 3142
Anyone know what is going on with EMPtek. They have been out of stock of several items, including the big towers, for months!
post #1606 of 3142
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Originally Posted by charger5674 View Post

Does EMP offer discounts or sales?

I've seen sales around July 4th & Black Friday for sure.
post #1607 of 3142
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Originally Posted by Elihawk View Post

Anyone know what is going on with EMPtek. They have been out of stock of several items, including the big towers, for months!

I think they get a feel for demand over a six month period & produce just enough to fill that demand. I've only seen the Red Burl Towers available one time on the site & hat was on Black Friday. Sign up to there news letter. Not sure if they have a FB or Twitter Feed yet, but you could always call & see when they are going to start shipping. The good news is, usually when they plan on selling, there is usually a sale involved also.
post #1608 of 3142
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Originally Posted by sid369 View Post

I have been reading and researching a lot for my HT.

I have a HTIB in an apartment but will be moving to a house and want to get good speakers that look and sound good. Some of the good looking ones are quiet expensive like Focal, KEF etc.

I just read good reviews about the emp55ti on audioholics and specially for the 50% off that some people got last year. I am in no hurry and I have heard that they usually have a sale during summer.

So, the room is 22X19, carpeted and open to the kitchen. i am planning to add the Klipsch RW 12d sub and center later.

have found from listening to a few speakers in the store that I like crisp and clean sounds. Do these speakers fall in that category.

I just listened to focal 806v yesterday and as much i want to love them, i found the sound to be not coming to me.

Whereas, i liked the polk sound, maybe i am missing something here, but i think thats mu listening preference.

Can you guys who own these speakers give me some suggestions

The best way to describe the EMP's is smooth. They are not laid back, but not in your face. THe Polks(depending on which ones you listened to) can be a little more forward or "in your face", compared to the EMP's, but they are more similar than different. Some people prefer that sound, especially for rock to hard rock. The EMP's are just a speaker that plays what is fed & lets you hear it as it was intended(within it's performance ability at this price). It's basically a "poor mans reference speaker". It's not going to color the sound too much, it will present it as. Crappy in, crappy out. High quality in, well you get the pic. Someone later back in the thread, had the Focal's you mentioned & prefered the EMP's to Focal's, fwiw. Just a suggestion if your budget can allow, I would put down another $200(when it's on sale, usually around Black Friday) & get the Outlaw Plus Sub. You will be glad you did. The Klipsch is good, but why would want to muddy up the EMP's with muddy bass. The Outlaw will be a lot more musical & plays down to 16/18 Hz, so it's very sufficient for HT use also. Just my opinion.
post #1609 of 3142
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

The best way to describe the EMP's is smooth. They are not laid back, but not in your face. THe Polks(depending on which ones you listened to) can be a little more forward or "in your face", compared to the EMP's, but they are more similar than different. Some people prefer that sound, especially for rock to hard rock. The EMP's are just a speaker that plays what is fed & lets you hear it as it was intended(within it's performance ability at this price). It's basically a "poor mans reference speaker". It's not going to color the sound too much, it will present it as. Crappy in, crappy out. High quality in, well you get the pic. Someone later back in the thread, had the Focal's you mentioned & prefered the EMP's to Focal's, fwiw. Just a suggestion if your budget can allow, I would put down another $200(when it's on sale, usually around Black Friday) & get the Outlaw Plus Sub. You will be glad you did. The Klipsch is good, but why would want to muddy up the EMP's with muddy bass. The Outlaw will be a lot more musical & plays down to 16/18 Hz, so it's very sufficient for HT use also. Just my opinion.

I swear we must be surrogates.. We have the same outlook on these EMP's and I prefer your ST60 settings and am enjoying the hell out of them compared to many others posted, its damn perfect looking at the picture of my calibrated samsung plasma (Makes me wonder if I even want to spend the money to get the ST60 calibrated)
post #1610 of 3142
I like the fact that these speakers look beautiful and are well priced. I guess won't get them for the 50% discount that some did last year.

I am getting the Klipsch Rf62ii for $700 or the Polk RTIA7 for $720.

I don't want to spend more as I have to buy center, sub and surround as well.

my room is 22x19 and open to the kitchen and I am worried if I go with infinity primus 363 it may not be able to fill the room, the same goes for the polk 75t.

getting very confused and not near on deciding what to get.
post #1611 of 3142
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Originally Posted by Elihawk View Post

Anyone know what is going on with EMPtek. They have been out of stock of several items, including the big towers, for months!

They said it will likely be late May/early June on the e55ti. Once word got out about their sound quality and aesthetics they probably went pretty quick. They've got a very solid product

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Originally Posted by sid369 View Post

I like the fact that these speakers look beautiful and are well priced. I guess won't get them for the 50% discount that some did last year.

I am getting the Klipsch Rf62ii for $700 or the Polk RTIA7 for $720.

I don't want to spend more as I have to buy center, sub and surround as well.

my room is 22x19 and open to the kitchen and I am worried if I go with infinity primus 363 it may not be able to fill the room, the same goes for the polk 75t.

getting very confused and not near on deciding what to get.

I'd take the p363's over the rf-62's and rti's, but that's just me. I've heard all 3 so I'm not just BS'ing here, but of course...this is my opinion and you should formulate your own based on your ears. I found both to have a lot of what I like to call boom and sizzle. Overemphasized midbass and treble. Lower midrange sounded fake/processed/tinny to me on both, but definitely on the Klipsch. The p363 was a tinny bit shrill on the top end to me, but sounded more balanced than the others to my ears.

If you liked the Focals, then pick up the 814v's from Accessories4Less and call it a day
post #1612 of 3142
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

They said it will likely be late May/early June on the e55ti. Once word got out about their sound quality and aesthetics they probably went pretty quick. They've got a very solid product
I'd take the p363's over the rf-62's and rti's, but that's just me. I've heard all 3 so I'm not just BS'ing here, but of course...this is my opinion and you should formulate your own based on your ears. I found both to have a lot of what I like to call boom and sizzle. Overemphasized midbass and treble. Lower midrange sounded fake/processed/tinny to me on both, but definitely on the Klipsch. The p363 was a tinny bit shrill on the top end to me, but sounded more balanced than the others to my ears.

If you liked the Focals, then pick up the 814v's from Accessories4Less and call it a day

If it was me and you could go the way of Focal I would, the 826 was a speaker I almost walked out of the store with until I heard about EMP tek and gave them a shot. it was worth it in my book but both speakers sound amazing.
post #1613 of 3142
I really liked my 814s, as I mentioned a few pages back. They were fantastic speakers. But, I do enjoy the sound of my Emp Tek, over the Focal. They're a little smoother sounding for my taste. The treble on the Focal could be harsh at times, assuming the aluminum tweeter was the cause. And at other times, the bass seemed overblown. They had some pretty impressive bass for speakers, when not running a sub. They still sounded really nice, make no mistake. I sold my pair on craigslist for $500 dollars. The guy who bought them, demoed them at my house for an hour before he made up his mind and he thought they sounded fantastic. He listened to his ipod on them the whole time and wanted them for music.

I will say this, the Focal really shine for music listening! They were extremely good for that! They weren't bad for HT either, they were just a little forward and in your face, for my taste. The Emp Tek just kind of disappear and I kind of don't notice the speaker as much as I did the Focal. A much more natural sound out of the Emp Tek. But, I'll reiterate, the Focal were still nice speakers and for the prices they're going for online, they're a great deal! I'd have been happy keeping the Focal, I'm just a little more happy with the Emp Tek.
post #1614 of 3142
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Originally Posted by bitterwaste View Post

If it was me and you could go the way of Focal I would, the 826 was a speaker I almost walked out of the store with until I heard about EMP tek and gave them a shot. it was worth it in my book but both speakers sound amazing.

Yeah there's a guy local to me that has the 826v that I'd really like to hear.

...he also has the Phil 3's, Salon 2's, KEF 201/2's, TAD's, etc etc eek.gifeek.gif

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Originally Posted by MrEastSide View Post

I really liked my 814s, as I mentioned a few pages back. They were fantastic speakers. But, I do enjoy the sound of my Emp Tek, over the Focal. They're a little smoother sounding for my taste. The treble on the Focal could be harsh at times, assuming the aluminum tweeter was the cause. And at other times, the bass seemed overblown. They had some pretty impressive bass for speakers, when not running a sub. They still sounded really nice, make no mistake. I sold my pair on craigslist for $500 dollars. The guy who bought them, demoed them at my house for an hour before he made up his mind and he thought they sounded fantastic. He listened to his ipod on them the whole time and wanted them for music.

I will say this, the Focal really shine for music listening! They were extremely good for that! They weren't bad for HT either, they were just a little forward and in your face, for my taste. The Emp Tek just kind of disappear and I kind of don't notice the speaker as much as I did the Focal. A much more natural sound out of the Emp Tek. But, I'll reiterate, the Focal were still nice speakers and for the prices they're going for online, they're a great deal! I'd have been happy keeping the Focal, I'm just a little more happy with the Emp Tek.

Dang! $500. Someone got a good deal

I think that's one of the reasons I like the EMP's so much is that the aren't your average budget speaker in that they cater to the "average" population (lots of midbass/upper bass and tweeter runs a little hot). I feel like Ascend, Arx and a few other ID companies have the same philosophy with their budget lineup's in that they're voice very close to neutral and attempt to do everything well, instead of trying to get the most bass output and accentuated treble to sound "clear", but in reality it's just masking the midrange even more.

I'm happy with the ol' EMP's smile.gif
post #1615 of 3142
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

Yeah there's a guy local to me that has the 826v that I'd really like to hear.

...he also has the Phil 3's, Salon 2's, KEF 201/2's, TAD's, etc etc eek.gifeek.gif
Dang! $500. Someone got a good deal

I think that's one of the reasons I like the EMP's so much is that the aren't your average budget speaker in that they cater to the "average" population (lots of midbass/upper bass and tweeter runs a little hot). I feel like Ascend, Arx and a few other ID companies have the same philosophy with their budget lineup's in that they're voice very close to neutral and attempt to do everything well, instead of trying to get the most bass output and accentuated treble to sound "clear", but in reality it's just masking the midrange even more.

I'm happy with the ol' EMP's smile.gif

I had the speakers listed at anywhere from $800-$1,000 over the last year. I probably could have gotten it, if accessories4less hadn't started offering the 814s for $850 for a new pair. mad.gif I also sold the 814V center channel for $200, which was way below what I wanted.
post #1616 of 3142
Did you ever take the drivers out or look inside the cabinet of the 814v? Just curious of the build quality difference, if any.
post #1617 of 3142
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

Did you ever take the drivers out or look inside the cabinet of the 814v? Just curious of the build quality difference, if any.

As a matter of fact, I did take apart my ten inch Focal subwoofer, which has an MSRP on Focal's website of $999. After I bought my ES1010 subs and opened them.up, I was curious as to what the Focal looked like.

Aside, from things just looking a little more tidy inside of the Focal, actual build quality and component quality really didn't look any different. To my surprise.
post #1618 of 3142
Having some issues with my ES1010. Getting a rattling sound on bass heavy tracks. i.e opening scene of The Dark Night. That first hit I hear it, and then throughout the first 5 minutes. I spoke with EMP, he said the check and see if the leads from the connectors to the speakers were touching. Check and everything was fine, so they sent me another sub because the sound is coming from the bottom sub. Changed the sub out and still getting the same noise, Now I'm beginning to wonder if it's port noise or something loose within the ports. It didn't do it when I first received it. It's quite annoying. Waiting on a callback from EMP today
post #1619 of 3142
Sounds to me like port noise or something loose like the port itself. Are you sure it's not the woofer from being over Xmech?

So it didn't do it on that same part before though? Are you positive you were listening at the same volume or higher when this did NOT happen?
post #1620 of 3142
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

Sounds to me like port noise or something loose like the port itself. Are you sure it's not the woofer from being over Xmech?

So it didn't do it on that same part before though? Are you positive you were listening at the same volume or higher when this did NOT happen?

same level. when I have some time later this evening I'm going to check with other material and see if I'm getting any noise. If it's port noise and nothing is loose there's really nothing I can do about that correct?
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