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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

if your amp/AVR knows they're the height channels then you're fine. I would think a non-surround type speaker would work better in that application though. I dunno. Research definitely needed on that subject lol

The e5's might work, but they're rear ported. I didn't think that through when I purchased mine. I wish I would have purchased some different surrounds that were either sealed or front ported. Mine are angled at a 45" angle (have them about 8-9' off the ground) and have about 3", but still. I'm sure the height channels would need to be angled down at a 45 too, so maybe they'll be okay. Are the e55wi's rear ported or a sealed design?

Alright thanks for the input and I can try them out high, but you brought up some thing interesting if I wanted to buy to more speakers for the 7.2 system I'm building would you recommend the E5 bookshelf speakers or some thing else?
post #1652 of 3146
Where will they go? Side surround? Rear surrounds?

Anyone know anything about the Velodyne VDR-12? I found out you can buy a pair right now for $500!! I was going to go with the Klipsch rw-12d as it looks like it edges out the pl-200 and the PA-150, but I know nothing about this Velo sub. Looks nice!
post #1653 of 3146
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

Where will they go? Side surround? Rear surrounds?

Anyone know anything about the Velodyne VDR-12? I found out you can buy a pair right now for $500!! I was going to go with the Klipsch rw-12d as it looks like it edges out the pl-200 and the PA-150, but I know nothing about this Velo sub. Looks nice!

they would be side surrounds if possible but open to suggestions.
post #1654 of 3146
this is how the place is looking now, still needs a lot more work but you can see what I was going for with the speakers high.
post #1655 of 3146
Looks good. How do you like the height speakers compared to without them??

Is it just me or is your FL e55 toe'd in quite a bit more than the FR? Also, if you haven't already done this, you might try putting something under the rear of the e56ci to prop it up and aim it down towards your listening position.
post #1656 of 3146
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

Looks good. How do you like the height speakers compared to without them??

Is it just me or is your FL e55 toe'd in quite a bit more than the FR? Also, if you haven't already done this, you might try putting something under the rear of the e56ci to prop it up and aim it down towards your listening position.
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Thanks! It’s coming together, and yes right now both of my speakers are toed in and that was something I needed to spend time playing with, if you have suggestions let me know. I just finished this setup last night so I need to go back and play with placement and soon I will let you know if the speakers up high do any good or if it’s a bad idea. I'm glad you brought up the center speaker, what would be good to put behind it? Just like a towel or a pad? Let me know because I heard some resonance when I turned it on last night to see if it worked.
post #1657 of 3146
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Originally Posted by bitterwaste View Post

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Thanks! It’s coming together, and yes right now both of my speakers are toed in and that was something I needed to spend time playing with, if you have suggestions let me know. I just finished this setup last night so I need to go back and play with placement and soon I will let you know if the speakers up high do any good or if it’s a bad idea. I'm glad you brought up the center speaker, what would be good to put behind it? Just like a towel or a pad? Let me know because I heard some resonance when I turned it on last night to see if it worked.

In my room, these speakers definitely need to be toe'd in due to the HF attenuation. My room is also quite large, open and doesn't have any side walls near the speakers. MultEQ XT added quite a bit to my top end too even when they were toe'd to a few degree's outside of either ear. You can play with small adjustments of toe'ing in and out and see what it does to stage width/depth. Hard to say as everyone's rooms are different.

As far as the center, you could put something small and angled....like a rubber doorstop! biggrin.gif Or even something like one of those rubber semi-sphere's that are used so doors don't bump walls. Place one in the middle...or maybe because the e56 is wide...you might place one on either end and that should raise the back end up and aim it downwards towards your LP. I'm not sure how much room you have behind the center, but with the port being as close to the rear wall as it looks, that could become an issue. If you use any kind of EQ, it'll likely help take out some of the frequency response problems caused by that, but again...who knows. If you're hearing resonance (or think you are) it could be something on the mantle vibrating. Just a thought. Maybe it's the speaker, but if you didn't have resonance issues before (and you shouldn't have had any) then maybe something is look inside the speaker (check tighten all drivers, plate on the back, etc). I'm sure you'll find it. If you have some test tones/sine waves, you could play some of them until you find the rough area you're getting resonance and be able to track it down much easier as it will be constant as the tone is playing (say...a 160hz or something like that).
post #1658 of 3146
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

In my room, these speakers definitely need to be toe'd in due to the HF attenuation. My room is also quite large, open and doesn't have any side walls near the speakers. MultEQ XT added quite a bit to my top end too even when they were toe'd to a few degree's outside of either ear. You can play with small adjustments of toe'ing in and out and see what it does to stage width/depth. Hard to say as everyone's rooms are different.

As far as the center, you could put something small and angled....like a rubber doorstop! biggrin.gif Or even something like one of those rubber semi-sphere's that are used so doors don't bump walls. Place one in the middle...or maybe because the e56 is wide...you might place one on either end and that should raise the back end up and aim it downwards towards your LP. I'm not sure how much room you have behind the center, but with the port being as close to the rear wall as it looks, that could become an issue. If you use any kind of EQ, it'll likely help take out some of the frequency response problems caused by that, but again...who knows. If you're hearing resonance (or think you are) it could be something on the mantle vibrating. Just a thought. Maybe it's the speaker, but if you didn't have resonance issues before (and you shouldn't have had any) then maybe something is look inside the speaker (check tighten all drivers, plate on the back, etc). I'm sure you'll find it. If you have some test tones/sine waves, you could play some of them until you find the rough area you're getting resonance and be able to track it down much easier as it will be constant as the tone is playing (say...a 160hz or something like that).

Awesome thanks! yeah I might find a way of helping the center speaker out with the rubber door stoppers but as you seen was correct and I have very little room behind the speaker so I'm limited on what I can and can't do with it. What I think I will do tonight is EQ the room with the receiver in hopes it can knock out that frequency which is making the mantle vibrate and see as you said if its the speaker or some thing else that is causing that. So I'll let you know and send a finish picture of what the room looks like when its done, I just need to get the side speakers and I think I will be good for a while on speakers until the next speaker setup with the other TV. lol
post #1659 of 3146
I am using a strip of cord-around trim to angle my center up sligthly...if you placed this angled trim toward the rear of your speaker, it could angle it downward.
post #1660 of 3146
Ousooner build something like the Ultimax I built man. I can tell you right now I thought I was in dire need of another RW12 and almost went that route but So happy I just built the Ultimax 15. There does not appear to be that "void" I had which made me want to go the 2 subs when i had the 12d, though at somepoint just for some more loud factor totally gonna build a second sub.

Nothing makes me happier than feeling my feet/legs shake when those really low frequencies hit in movies; such as the early gun fight in live free or die hard, my feet just shake as the guns fire and the subwoofer does its magic in the <20hz and below range.

All said and done it cost just a hair over 600 with parts and all materials.

I do plan on getting a second to bump up the sub 20hz range a bit more in the SPL department, but with the berginhemer amp I have a pretty flat response from 20-80HZ where as my RW12d looked like a pulse readout from someones heart

Plus I can add that the sound qulaity has no comparison, the 12D sounds like complete Poo compared. I will admit I was a bit underwhelmed at my 15" for the first day or two because it never seemed to get as loud and in your face, then I realize it was because it simply was not spiking in certain frequencies like the 12D was no matter where I placed it or how I ran my MultiEQ.

I hooked the 12D back up and all it does is make loud, theres no detail, explosions don't feel like heart stomping, body sahking explosions, they jusst make your ear drums go WOW.. hard to explain.. but the sub brings a feeling and diemension that the 12D never did.. and while it doesnt give that initial shock factor of how loud it is.. well thats because its actually equed and has a smooth response at 90DB. and when theres a movie with an LFE thats meant to shake and rumble.. it delivers amazingly
Edited by Shady195 - 5/23/13 at 4:58am
post #1661 of 3146
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Originally Posted by Shady195 View Post

Ousooner build something like the Ultimax I built man. I can tell you right now I thought I was in dire need of another RW12 and almost went that route but So happy I just built the Ultimax 15. There does not appear to be that "void" I had which made me want to go the 2 subs when i had the 12d, though at somepoint just for some more loud factor totally gonna build a second sub.

Nothing makes me happier than feeling my feet/legs shake when those really low frequencies hit in movies; such as the early gun fight in live free or die hard, my feet just shake as the guns fire and the subwoofer does its magic in the <20hz and below range.

All said and done it cost just a hair over 600 with parts and all materials.

I do plan on getting a second to bump up the sub 20hz range a bit more in the SPL department, but with the berginhemer amp I have a pretty flat response from 20-80HZ where as my RW12d looked like a pulse readout from someones heart

Plus I can add that the sound qulaity has no comparison, the 12D sounds like complete Poo compared. I will admit I was a bit underwhelmed at my 15" for the first day or two because it never seemed to get as loud and in your face, then I realize it was because it simply was not spiking in certain frequencies like the 12D was no matter where I placed it or how I ran my MultiEQ.

I hooked the 12D back up and all it does is make loud, theres no detail, explosions don't feel like heart stomping, body sahking explosions, they jusst make your ear drums go WOW.. hard to explain.. but the sub brings a feeling and diemension that the 12D never did.. and while it doesnt give that initial shock factor of how loud it is.. well thats because its actually equed and has a smooth response at 90DB. and when theres a movie with an LFE thats meant to shake and rumble.. it delivers amazingly

I would, but I'd just like to spend elsewhere at the moment. Still need many things for the new house, baby on the way, about to buy an engagement ring (not just b/c she's pregnant lol), etc. Trust me, I'd be all over DIY, but maybe in a few years. It'd be easy to resell the rw-12d anyways. I know I could sell one to my brother very easily. Probably sell the other to my dad when the time comes that I want to DIY a pair of subs lol. No big deal. They'll work for now I'm sure

I think this weekend, since I have some free time, I might do the bracing on the e55's like I mentioned a few pages back biggrin.gif. When I looked in them awhile back I vaguely remember them not having any or hardly any poly-fil/etc in them. I might experiment with what it does for the lower end as far as smoothing out the 6.5's under 120hz-ish. I've got a few pounds laying around from way back when I built up my car audio so we'll see.
post #1662 of 3146
You got a baby on the way man start thinking smart, spend the 600ish now and enjoy it rather than spend the money just to lose some later. Belive me, this is comming from a guy whos made this mistake ALL to many times.

IMO that RW12 will not compliment the EMP's as well as a DIY or spending the 600 on an outlaw sub would

When I hooked my RW12d back up before demoing it... It sounded like complete poo to me.. sounded great when thats what I had, but after going from something quality to something loud/less exspensive.. it was night and day.. not just for movies but especially for music.

Edit: Also glad to see you and the family are safe after the tornado smile.gif
post #1663 of 3146
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

I think this weekend, since I have some free time, I might do the bracing on the e55's like I mentioned a few pages back biggrin.gif. When I looked in them awhile back I vaguely remember them not having any or hardly any poly-fil/etc in them. I might experiment with what it does for the lower end as far as smoothing out the 6.5's under 120hz-ish. I've got a few pounds laying around from way back when I built up my car audio so we'll see.

OHHHHH, I can't wait to hear more about the bracing and how that might help! let us know!
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Did anyone see this glowing review of the Emptek bookshelf speakers?

http://hometheaterreview.com/emp-tek-e5bi-bookshelf-speaker-reviewed/
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I did!
post #1666 of 3146
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Originally Posted by Shady195 View Post

You got a baby on the way man start thinking smart, spend the 600ish now and enjoy it rather than spend the money just to lose some later. Belive me, this is comming from a guy whos made this mistake ALL to many times.

IMO that RW12 will not compliment the EMP's as well as a DIY or spending the 600 on an outlaw sub would

When I hooked my RW12d back up before demoing it... It sounded like complete poo to me.. sounded great when thats what I had, but after going from something quality to something loud/less exspensive.. it was night and day.. not just for movies but especially for music.

Edit: Also glad to see you and the family are safe after the tornado smile.gif

Thanks! The weather here has been nuts...usually is around this time though, but every once in awhile we get a crazy big tornado. Don't take this the wrong way, but it's absolutely incredible that only 24 people lost their lives. There has been an incredible amount of donations, thoughts/prayers, etc so far. Very nice of people all around.

I feel you on the DIY, but when putting together a price sheet for DIY, it begins to add up quickly. I have no doubt it'd be better, but it looks like it'll be #350-400 more. To buy a few flat packs (don't have the tools or time..slash don't really want to lol), subs (ultimax 15, ho 15, SI ht15, etc etc), budget amp (inuke?), cabling, duratex and other materials (PL, new sanding block, etc)...it's at like $900+. Now I know that it's likely MUCH better, but if you you're almost 2x the price already. Not to mention time. I think DIY stuff is fun though.

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Originally Posted by bitterwaste View Post

OHHHHH, I can't wait to hear more about the bracing and how that might help! let us know!

Lol I'm getting there. This weather has been nuts lately and I feel like every time I try to do something it starts pouring. It's Oklahoma so you have constant high winds with that rain. Just a PITA if you're working in the garage. I need to buy a few things, but I saw my local Home Depot has plenty of the 1" dowels so I'm almost ready to go. I'll try to take pictures to make it easy for others to do if I notice there is a difference.


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Originally Posted by raynist View Post

Did anyone see this glowing review of the Emptek bookshelf speakers?

http://hometheaterreview.com/emp-tek-e5bi-bookshelf-speaker-reviewed/

I didn't! Thanks for that. That's some high praise for sure! Seems like he's heard many setups and even many bookshelves in the price range of the E5's too.
post #1667 of 3146
I'm not saying anything negative about EMP's, in fact I might audition a pair of towers when they are back in stock but I wouldn't put much stock in anything that reviewer says. I don't think he's written a negative review or ever given a speaker anything other than 4-5 stars. Also, almost all of his reviews have wording to the effect of "better than speakers costing twice as much" or something along those lines. Just my take.
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What I have been told is that Hometheater mag will NOT review speakers that they prereview and find to be not of decent quality. So, once you get a review, you have already had the C+ and below selections filtered out...
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Home Theater and Stereophile, which share some of same staff, are not likely to do a full review on something unless they have had favorable impressions of it already.

They don't want to be in the position of dumping on something they can't recommend.

This tends to be the case with most magazines that review audio equipment.

If you want some really tough unbiased opinions, I find that the British "what hi-fi" reviews are as tough and honest as any I have found.
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Originally Posted by Elihawk View Post

What I have been told is that Hometheater mag will NOT review speakers that they prereview and find to be not of decent quality. So, once you get a review, you have already had the C+ and below selections filtered out...

The review of the e5bi was done by Home Theater Review... not Home Theater Mag....

I've never heard EMP's speakers, so I'm not saying they aren't good...butI have to agree with Doug - I just don't put much stock in Home Theater Review... just a personal opinion...
post #1671 of 3146
I don't put much into ANY review really. You just never know if they've been paid, what characteristics might be different from other auditions, etc. I like to see the measurements, if any were taken and that's about it. Reviews are great, but there are too many factors that differ from my environment and room to his...and yours.
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

I don't put much into ANY review really. You just never know if they've been paid, what characteristics might be different from other auditions, etc. I like to see the measurements, if any were taken and that's about it. Reviews are great, but there are too many factors that differ from my environment and room to his...and yours.

Yeah I agree with both of you on this, also every speaker sound different to each person so the fact that one person might love the speakers might different from another taste.
post #1673 of 3146
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

Thanks! The weather here has been nuts...usually is around this time though, but every once in awhile we get a crazy big tornado. Don't take this the wrong way, but it's absolutely incredible that only 24 people lost their lives. There has been an incredible amount of donations, thoughts/prayers, etc so far. Very nice of people all around.

I feel you on the DIY, but when putting together a price sheet for DIY, it begins to add up quickly. I have no doubt it'd be better, but it looks like it'll be #350-400 more. To buy a few flat packs (don't have the tools or time..slash don't really want to lol), subs (ultimax 15, ho 15, SI ht15, etc etc), budget amp (inuke?), cabling, duratex and other materials (PL, new sanding block, etc)...it's at like $900+. Now I know that it's likely MUCH better, but if you you're almost 2x the price already. Not to mention time. I think DIY stuff is fun though.
Lol I'm getting there. This weather has been nuts lately and I feel like every time I try to do something it starts pouring. It's Oklahoma so you have constant high winds with that rain. Just a PITA if you're working in the garage. I need to buy a few things, but I saw my local Home Depot has plenty of the 1" dowels so I'm almost ready to go. I'll try to take pictures to make it easy for others to do if I notice there is a difference.
I didn't! Thanks for that. That's some high praise for sure! Seems like he's heard many setups and even many bookshelves in the price range of the E5's too.

What I was trying to say Sooner is that while yes to build two would be quite expensive but I can almost guarantee 1 for now will be better than going with the two RW-12D route. It probably wont get house shakenly loud like the RW-12D can, but I can tell you right now unless you treat your room.. without the DSP (The one in the sub doesnt do much) you are going to have some spikes in the ~50-60HZ range that is going to be super loud even with MultiEQ. and While impressive upon first listen to hear just how loud it gets.. you will begin to notice it just sounds loud in some areas in quite in others. I tried so hard to position the sub in my room to get it to a "flatter" response.. Plus theres no comparison in sound quality at all. Plus nothing is worse than watching a movie kind of loud and having to mess with the volume because it gets too loud in some area when turned up

My utlimax however.. is damn near flat using the inuke DSP.. and while as I said before at first I was a little underwhelemed because I wasnt getting that crazy 95db+ loudness spike in the 50-60hz range at moderate listening levels.. but when the bass has a punch to it.. it sounds tight and you can feel your body shake during explosions from the <20hz frequencies hitting.. it makes me giggle. It sounds more natural; it sounds more like the awesome bass you get in a theater. It took awhile for my brain to adjust though. Always thouight every movie with an explosion, gun shot or thump had to be loud and deep, and with the RW-12 somethies it felt like that because the 60hz range was always super loud.. however once you watch a few dozen movies.. the ones that are supposed to be loud are loud, the ones that are moderate are moderate.. the ones that have house shaken lows.. well they have knocked the pictures off my wall biggrin.gif (IE: The apartment scene in live free or die hard turned up to reference level and the gun shots)


Damn I wish you lived around here so i can should you first hand
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Had a bit of a scare the other day. I was watching a movie on directv; any as anyone knows audio through Cable/Satellite sucks for the most part; always lots of distortion etc.. So if I ever here static/distortion of some sort during heavy sounds or explosions I never really look into it to much.

However as I was watching this movie I noticed my left speaker sounded kind of "dim" and I heard a lot of distortion only comming from just that one side. Freaked out when up and listened and sure enough it sound grainy/a little staticy and was breaking up. Thought maybe it was the gain knobs on the amp being dusty (to be honest ive been slacking on dusting lately) played with them, seemed okay for a second but started going again. Started freaking out that something went bad, checked all the connections etc.. Eventually I just unplugged all the cables for that one channel and reconnected and everything seems fine for the past few days.. Anyone ever have something like that happen to them?
post #1675 of 3146
I am hoping they have a July 4th sale again, I have been waiting to get a E56Ci and pair of E5Bi's to round out my system!
post #1676 of 3146
I am just hoping they have SOME speakers for purchase soon! They haven't had a tower speaker for sale for months...
post #1677 of 3146
I called EMP a couple of weeks ago and they told me the Towers would be back in stock in mid June.
post #1678 of 3146
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Originally Posted by Shady195 View Post

Had a bit of a scare the other day. I was watching a movie on directv; any as anyone knows audio through Cable/Satellite sucks for the most part; always lots of distortion etc.. So if I ever here static/distortion of some sort during heavy sounds or explosions I never really look into it to much.

However as I was watching this movie I noticed my left speaker sounded kind of "dim" and I heard a lot of distortion only comming from just that one side. Freaked out when up and listened and sure enough it sound grainy/a little staticy and was breaking up. Thought maybe it was the gain knobs on the amp being dusty (to be honest ive been slacking on dusting lately) played with them, seemed okay for a second but started going again. Started freaking out that something went bad, checked all the connections etc.. Eventually I just unplugged all the cables for that one channel and reconnected and everything seems fine for the past few days.. Anyone ever have something like that happen to them?


Yes I have had that happen to me before when I had Klipsch center. It was just a loose connection going to the terminals. Freaked me out also.
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Hey guys, I am going to be purchasing a pair of the E5Bi's for surround, and will be putting them on stands flanking my sofa. Has anyone come across any speaker stands that have a similar color to the red burl EMP finish?

I came across these: https://www.americanrecorder.com/detail.php?id=1171&d=63&start_pos=0 and actually have the 36" black version in my bedroom for my studio monitors, but the top base is too big for the E5Bi (Overlap will bother me rolleyes.gif) Just wondering if anyone knew of anything, otherwise I will get black stands.
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can't wait to get the e55ti. when will it be back?
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