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post #1711 of 3149
I have been completely swamped with trying to get everything built for the little one that's coming, getting her room together, etc etc that I haven't had the slightest bit of downtime to brace the e55's. I know I'm going to use the 1" dowels and getting them in there shouldn't be a problem. The hardest part is going to be getting them snug, while making the curvature like the cabinet inside. Probably make a template of the top of the speaker and use that to get the curvature correct/close, then glue them in and probably put a little sealant/caulking around the edges just for a little extra reinforcement. I'd love to do one up and down the cabinet as that's one direction it's needed too, but I don't see a way that's possible, so I'll likely be doing about 3 horizontal braces.

Soon! smile.gif
post #1712 of 3149
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

What I wanted to touch on in this post was how you said they image great and disappear. I have been noticing that more and more now that I've moved mine....wait for it....10 feet apart! I don't have any of my other speakers hooked up right now, just the e55ti's at 10' apart and the image is literally ROCK SOLID in the middle of the tv at all times (when it's supposed to be obviously). I was sitting about 6-8" to the outside of my FL speaker last night watching a movie (I know..I know...not dead center. It will never happen again guys lol) but in all seriousness, I was looking right at the speaker & never felt like the sound was coming from it. Still solid as can be right in the middle of the screen. One of my favorite tracks for imagining and depth is Hotel California live (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIPu92RddRA ...sry it's crummy quality). I have this in lossless format and it's truly amazing to hear the separation and depth of these speakers. HUGE stage, drums are a little off to the left and a ways back from the front 5 guys. If you haven't listened to this particular live performance you're missing out!

Yeah its a fantastic quality of these speakers, I wish I could spread mine out wider like you have it, currently they are 6' feet apart and that is the limit unless I rearrange my living room... I will give that a listen, fantastic song! Let me know how those subs work out, I fear after I get the E56Ci, my F-12 is going to be next rolleyes.gif
post #1713 of 3149
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

I have been completely swamped with trying to get everything built for the little one that's coming, getting her room together, etc etc that I haven't had the slightest bit of downtime to brace the e55's. I know I'm going to use the 1" dowels and getting them in there shouldn't be a problem. The hardest part is going to be getting them snug, while making the curvature like the cabinet inside. Probably make a template of the top of the speaker and use that to get the curvature correct/close, then glue them in and probably put a little sealant/caulking around the edges just for a little extra reinforcement. I'd love to do one up and down the cabinet as that's one direction it's needed too, but I don't see a way that's possible, so I'll likely be doing about 3 horizontal braces.

Soon! smile.gif

I'm glad you like them. I remember you being a bit tentative before you picked them up.
post #1714 of 3149
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Originally Posted by Transmaniacon View Post

Yeah its a fantastic quality of these speakers, I wish I could spread mine out wider like you have it, currently they are 6' feet apart and that is the limit unless I rearrange my living room... I will give that a listen, fantastic song! Let me know how those subs work out, I fear after I get the E56Ci, my F-12 is going to be next rolleyes.gif

It's an addiction I tell ya!
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Originally Posted by Eternal Velocity View Post

I'm glad you like them. I remember you being a bit tentative before you picked them up.

Yeah I was worried they'd be just another budget speaker with many flaws. They just keep surprising me. Heck I've watched a few movies lately without the e56 and it sounds incredible. At 10' apart I still get a solid center. Once the tv gets mounted the center will come back in though lol.


Anyone have any go-to albums or anything they really enjoy that I could check out? I always like listening to other artists that I may have never heard or just forgot about.
post #1715 of 3149
Pink Floyd - The Division Bell

This is one of my go to demo albums, I find it really reveals how capable the tweeter is, and I love how it sounds playing through the EMPs. I also really like Classical Gas by Mason Williams, wonderful acoustic song that really takes advantage of good imaging.
post #1716 of 3149
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

Will do! I'm hoping they'll give me usable down to 28hz, but if they want to dig a little deeper I wouldn't mind lol. I've got MultEQ XT ready to go. Placement is going to be between the speakers and on the outside of the tv stand. Hopefully they'll sound great and still have a solid up front image without drawing attention to themselves.

I'm sure there's going to be the "should have went DIY" or "should have went with X over the rw-12d", but literally everyone option I looked at was almost double. SVS PB-1000 pair...double. Rythmik LV12r pair...double. etc etc.

While I do think spending the money on one DIY sub would be better than both of those but regardless they will do their job. They will dig deeper than 28HZ for sure.. How much is going to depend on your room but I was getting down to around 23hz before it completely started to drop like a cliff..

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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

Very nice! I was surprised at how great the e5's sounded also. These are some very nice speakers for the price. They also look pretty good too biggrin.gif I like the stand! Looks nice and wide

Here's what I went with (obviously not where it's actually place now lol)


What I wanted to touch on in this post was how you said they image great and disappear. I have been noticing that more and more now that I've moved mine....wait for it....10 feet apart! I don't have any of my other speakers hooked up right now, just the e55ti's at 10' apart and the image is literally ROCK SOLID in the middle of the tv at all times (when it's supposed to be obviously). I was sitting about 6-8" to the outside of my FL speaker last night watching a movie (I know..I know...not dead center. It will never happen again guys lol) but in all seriousness, I was looking right at the speaker & never felt like the sound was coming from it. Still solid as can be right in the middle of the screen. One of my favorite tracks for imagining and depth is Hotel California live (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIPu92RddRA ...sry it's crummy quality). I have this in lossless format and it's truly amazing to hear the separation and depth of these speakers. HUGE stage, drums are a little off to the left and a ways back from the front 5 guys. If you haven't listened to this particular live performance you're missing out!

My speakers are about 11 feet apart or so, toes in maybe 30* ... Any speaker ive played with at this point looses it's stage anywhere under that in my room it seems. I moved around my EMP's a million times to find the sweetest spot. Spent days moving, critiquing, moving critquing, etc before I settled on where they are.

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Originally Posted by Transmaniacon View Post

Pink Floyd - The Division Bell

This is one of my go to demo albums, I find it really reveals how capable the tweeter is, and I love how it sounds playing through the EMPs. I also really like Classical Gas by Mason Williams, wonderful acoustic song that really takes advantage of good imaging.

Eric Clapton and BB King riding with the king.. theres an album that will make your tweeters weep. The only thing it did not distort on that I've played it on was a 16,000 dollar pair of diamonds hooked up to a McinTosh amp at the local AV store. Higher end KEF, B&W and Totems all cried at some of the notes from 3'o Clock in the Morning.
post #1717 of 3149
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

It's an addiction I tell ya!
Yeah I was worried they'd be just another budget speaker with many flaws. They just keep surprising me. Heck I've watched a few movies lately without the e56 and it sounds incredible. At 10' apart I still get a solid center. Once the tv gets mounted the center will come back in though lol.


Anyone have any go-to albums or anything they really enjoy that I could check out? I always like listening to other artists that I may have never heard or just forgot about.

At times, I'll be watching a two channel program on Netflix and I'll find myself, actually, getting down on the floor and moving over to my center channel and putting my ear up to it because I think there's audio coming from it. I'd, most likely, never go with a phantom center channel. But, if I had known how well these towers would image, I'd have considered it.
post #1718 of 3149
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Originally Posted by Shady195 View Post

Eric Clapton and BB King riding with the king.. theres an album that will make your tweeters weep. The only thing it did not distort on that I've played it on was a 16,000 dollar pair of diamonds hooked up to a McinTosh amp at the local AV store. Higher end KEF, B&W and Totems all cried at some of the notes from 3'o Clock in the Morning.

I will have to give it a listen!
post #1719 of 3149
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Originally Posted by Transmaniacon View Post

I will have to give it a listen!

If you like clapton or the king you will enjoy it, great album!
post #1720 of 3149
Just got an email. All speakers on sale. Get'em while you can!
post #1721 of 3149
On sale?

or

For sale?
post #1722 of 3149
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

On sale?

or

For sale?

Both!
post #1723 of 3149
Oh dang. I see they're up for $800/pair

Does it say when that sale will start? I assume they'll sell like crazy again. I'm glad though as we'll have more people to bump this thread again. It got a little stale lol. I've got 2 new toys sitting at my door that I can't wait to check out when I get home. Wish I didn't have to wait until Friday for all the cables to come....maybe I'll just raid Radioshack and then take them back lol. Is that bad?
post #1724 of 3149
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

Both!

Well, I guess it's technically not a sale. Their policies have officially changed.
Nonetheless. Still great value.

From EMP
We at EMP Tek are very confident in our products and want you to be 100% satisfied. If you are not completely satisfied with our product, just contact us within the first 30 days. Upon our receipt of the returned product in like-new condition, we will refund the purchase price of the product with no hassle. It's that easy!

Our 30-day In-home Trial does not include product return shipping costs. All returns must include a Return Authorization Number original packaging, documentation and parts. We will inspect all returned items and give a partial refund if any packaging, documentation or parts are missing.
post #1725 of 3149
Looks like the web site has the 55ti for $347.50 EACH and E5bi for 225/pr!
post #1726 of 3149
Yeah looks like they knocked $100 off the price of the towers. I don't think its a sale, just new prices. That said, I will probably be picking up the E56Ci soon!
post #1727 of 3149
Ah now it's refreshed. I think for $347/each.....

..that's just nuts. Get 'em while they're hot for sure! biggrin.gif


Transmaniacon, the e56 is pretty darn awesome looking. Sounds great too
post #1728 of 3149
I wonder how they can afford to make these so cheap? I've always wondered if they put in huge orders for the cabs since they look to be the same as the RBH sx61's, but with a lacquered finish and different faceplate (different sized cutouts for the speakers).
post #1729 of 3149
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

Ah now it's refreshed. I think for $347/each.....

..that's just nuts. Get 'em while they're hot for sure! biggrin.gif


Transmaniacon, the e56 is pretty darn awesome looking. Sounds great too

Yeah I can't wait to get it!

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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

I wonder how they can afford to make these so cheap? I've always wondered if they put in huge orders for the cabs since they look to be the same as the RBH sx61's, but with a lacquered finish and different faceplate (different sized cutouts for the speakers).

I think that, combined with selling the speakers directly from the manufacturer, and they do very limited advertising.
post #1730 of 3149
Good news! checked their website just now. the e55ti is already available. but its 347.50 dollars each. is it wise just to wait for black friday to get a good deal or not????
post #1731 of 3149
Well I got a pair of E55Ti's for $477 shipped, so it's definitely worth getting them then, however that is if they have that sale again... That said, I would pay full price for these and not think anything about it.
post #1732 of 3149
OMG! This is a hard decision to make Mr. Transmaniacon. We have lots of bills to pay as we have just bought a new house a couple of months ago. The wife didn't even heard me saying about the availability of the speakers.(playing deaf). GRRRRRRR!!!!
post #1733 of 3149
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Originally Posted by jaygax View Post

OMG! This is a hard decision to make Mr. Transmaniacon. We have lots of bills to pay as we have just bought a new house a couple of months ago. The wife didn't even heard me saying about the availability of the speakers.(playing deaf). GRRRRRRR!!!!

Maybe start with a pair of bookshelves, then if that sale comes along, get the towers and move the bookshelves to surround duty.
post #1734 of 3149
I dont know if I'm doing something wrong with these RW-12d's, but I've got MultEQ XT to come back with 00.0db on the sub channel (which is what you want correct?) & honestly they don't even sound loud to me. Even when I raise the level a little they don't sound loud at all. Not much louder than the e55's below 80hz honestly. They're on for sure. Crossover has been played with around 70-80hz. I mean I know I've only had them on and playing around for an hour or so, but I can barely feel them! I had to put the level ON THE RW-12d at -23db to get MultEQ XT to come back at 0db. When I put them at 0db and -10db (might have been -11db) MulEQ XT came back with the sub channel at -12db.

I have them set on DEPTH & crossover at 80hz (on the sub; I guess i could experiment with raising it to 120hz or whatever on the sub...but I don't think that's what's wrong). I played the Iron Man 2 scene where he's jumping out of the plane at the beginning and I feel a tiny bit of bass, but honestly it's nothing. I sounds like what a little 10" or 8" could do.

Uh ...oh.

Can anyone HELP??! redface.gif
Edited by ousooner2 - 6/19/13 at 7:13pm
post #1735 of 3149
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

I dont know if I'm doing something wrong with these RW-12d's, but I've got MultEQ XT to come back with 00.0db on the sub channel (which is what you want correct?) & honestly they don't even sound loud to me. Even when I raise the level a little they don't sound loud at all. Not much louder than the e55's honestly. They're on for sure. Crossover has been played with around 70-80hz. I mean I know I've only had them on and playing around for an hour or so, but I can barely feel them!

HELP!!

Are you setting up the subs or have you completed the Audyssey setup & are now doing a listening test. Confused of what stage you are on.
If you are setting them up with Audyssey, the sub is barely audible during the Audyssey setup. Not sure why. However if you are past this stage, do you have an spl meter? The first thing I would do is run some tones at 80,70,60,50,40,30 & 20. Also do a level check with the meter after the Audyssey run to make sure it's functioning correctly.
post #1736 of 3149
check the phasing. That could be the issue. Does it still sound quiet if only one sub is on? You are correct about the gain at around 0db +- 3db. it is ok to run it hot on the avr if you choose to just be careful on sub ulf on bass heavy movies.
post #1737 of 3149
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

I dont know if I'm doing something wrong with these RW-12d's, but I've got MultEQ XT to come back with 00.0db on the sub channel (which is what you want correct?) & honestly they don't even sound loud to me. Even when I raise the level a little they don't sound loud at all. Not much louder than the e55's below 80hz honestly. They're on for sure. Crossover has been played with around 70-80hz. I mean I know I've only had them on and playing around for an hour or so, but I can barely feel them! I had to put the level ON THE RW-12d at -23db to get MultEQ XT to come back at 0db. When I put them at 0db and -10db (might have been -11db) MulEQ XT came back with the sub channel at -12db.

I have them set on DEPTH & crossover at 80hz (on the sub; I guess i could experiment with raising it to 120hz or whatever on the sub...but I don't think that's what's wrong). I played the Iron Man 2 scene where he's jumping out of the plane at the beginning and I feel a tiny bit of bass, but honestly it's nothing. I sounds like what a little 10" or 8" could do.

Uh ...oh.

Can anyone HELP??! redface.gif

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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

Are you setting up the subs or have you completed the Audyssey setup & are now doing a listening test. Confused of what stage you are on.
If you are setting them up with Audyssey, the sub is barely audible during the Audyssey setup. Not sure why. However if you are past this stage, do you have an spl meter? The first thing I would do is run some tones at 80,70,60,50,40,30 & 20. Also do a level check with the meter after the Audyssey run to make sure it's functioning correctly.

I'm going to repeat what cadett did, did you actually run audyssey yet? As I said int he past the RW-12D is not the flattest responding sub in a real world room envirment.. mine looked like a heart beat and took a lot of tweaking/placement option to get it to sound okay. it would sound super quiet in most scenes until you got an explosion that had a lot of mid range 50-60hz in which case the house would start shaking and scare the **** out of you

FWIW in my 1000Sqft room.. my RW-12D was turned up to about -12 for audyssey to read the desired 75DB it wanted.. and when I used an SPL meter and rew to get a good range of USABLE bass that felt like it did anything i turned it up to -6.. the sub ran quite hot at that but it was only the 50-60HZ range iirc the ~25hz and 60+hz range was around the 85DB mark.

and I will say when I got an auyssey reciever vs not having audyssey before it with the RW-12D.. Audyssey is the only saving grace in making the sub usable for clean semi-acurate bass.. otherwise you have a 60hz boom cannon

idk if there are A LOT of graphs in real world living room enviroment for the 12D, but in the 3 rooms in my house that are all different i might add.. the RW12D was very boomy in that range.. reason I say this is the few ive seen of someone posting a flat response showing the difference between the different EQ modes on teh sub itself.. i can't imagine that was done in room testing.. because in my own testing there was no difference in any mode except deep which boosted the lower end a couple of DB's
post #1738 of 3149
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

I have been completely swamped with trying to get everything built for the little one that's coming, getting her room together, etc etc that I haven't had the slightest bit of downtime to brace the e55's. I know I'm going to use the 1" dowels and getting them in there shouldn't be a problem. The hardest part is going to be getting them snug, while making the curvature like the cabinet inside. Probably make a template of the top of the speaker and use that to get the curvature correct/close, then glue them in and probably put a little sealant/caulking around the edges just for a little extra reinforcement. I'd love to do one up and down the cabinet as that's one direction it's needed too, but I don't see a way that's possible, so I'll likely be doing about 3 horizontal braces.

Soon! smile.gif

Don't feel to bad due neither have I, everytime I find myself with the time I honestly don't do it because I have everything set so perfect right now.. im afraid to have to start all over and tweak liek crazy. I enjoy them more and more each time i sit down to really listen to them..
post #1739 of 3149
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

I dont know if I'm doing something wrong with these RW-12d's, but I've got MultEQ XT to come back with 00.0db on the sub channel (which is what you want correct?) & honestly they don't even sound loud to me. Even when I raise the level a little they don't sound loud at all. Not much louder than the e55's below 80hz honestly. They're on for sure. Crossover has been played with around 70-80hz. I mean I know I've only had them on and playing around for an hour or so, but I can barely feel them! I had to put the level ON THE RW-12d at -23db to get MultEQ XT to come back at 0db. When I put them at 0db and -10db (might have been -11db) MulEQ XT came back with the sub channel at -12db.

I have them set on DEPTH & crossover at 80hz (on the sub; I guess i could experiment with raising it to 120hz or whatever on the sub...but I don't think that's what's wrong). I played the Iron Man 2 scene where he's jumping out of the plane at the beginning and I feel a tiny bit of bass, but honestly it's nothing. I sounds like what a little 10" or 8" could do.

Uh ...oh.

Can anyone HELP??! redface.gif

Where in your room do you have them located?
post #1740 of 3149
Okay guys I need your help on something. I got my stands in early and got the surrounds hooked up and it sounded pretty good in Black Hawk Down when they are fighting in the city. However, my Yamaha I feel is limiting me a lot in terms of room correction. Compared to Audyssey, YPAO doesn't do individual crossovers, and doesn't EQ my sub. I am wondering if I need to change receivers to really get the most of my setup. YPAO has my fronts set to Large, surrounds to small, and a crossover of 100Hz. I changed the fronts to small and the crossover to 80Hz, and I think it sounds better. Do you guys think Audyssey MultEQ XT will make a difference compared to YPAO? I was eyeing the E56Ci, but I am wondering if I will get better performance from Audyssey MultEQ XT (Denon 2313) instead?
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