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post #1771 of 3162
Shady, I hear you...but two things...

1. The SVS cheap sub, I think a 10 inch, is $499 and the EMPtek 1010i is $399, and essentially you get two 10 inch drivers for 100 dollars less. And since we know EMP uses quality drivers in their speakers, I am assuming these are quality drivers in the sub as well. Now someone who knows speaker design better than me might say the "stack drivers is a bad idea" etc...so if so, please speak up!

2. Most subs are just plain UGLY...and while I don't have any WAF to deal with, the EMPtek sub is a great looking sub. I own two Klipsch subs and they are two butt- ugly plastic boxes!
Edited by Elihawk - 6/20/13 at 12:41pm
post #1772 of 3162
Look at the stats though, the SVS PB-1000 for example digs deeper and has a flatter response, based on the graph from the audioholics review. SVS makes sub first and foremost, and they do it well. I would probably be inclined to choose the PB-1000 over the ES1010i. That said if you want something other than a big black box, and don't need sub 20Hz bass, then the EMP sub may serve well.

On that audioholics review, they mentioned a good way to make up for its lower output @25Hz is to corner-load the sub, and they said doing so gives it their "medium room rating" from 25Hz to 80Hz.
post #1773 of 3162
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Originally Posted by Shady195 View Post

While no personal experiance based on some comments and reviews it probably would not be worth spending the money on the EMP subwoofer. Probably better of building one or going with another company such as outlaw or SVS for the sub.

I have the the Outlaw Plus & the SVS PB-1000. The Outlaw smokes the 10" SVS. I can't say enough about the Outlaw(my gosh I think I've turned into a fan boy...sick)
post #1774 of 3162
How do these sound with jazz and classical music?
post #1775 of 3162
Sorry, we got so far into subs that I'm not sure if you're talking about what the thread is meant for or subs lol

If you're talking about EMP's, which I assume you are, then post where you're located and maybe someone is nearby so you can have a listen.
post #1776 of 3162
been dreaming about those cylindrical SVS too.......
post #1777 of 3162
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

Sorry, we got so far into subs that I'm not sure if you're talking about what the thread is meant for or subs lol

If you're talking about EMP's, which I assume you are, then post where you're located and maybe someone is nearby so you can have a listen.

I'm in detroit how do these speakers sound with jazz and classical
post #1778 of 3162
Sound is personal preference, but in my opinion they sound very good with jazz, classical and acoustic tracks. They don't add or take away from anything being neutral speakers. I find they're very balanced and don't have the dreaded overemphasized midbass frequencies or some that seem to run the tweeter a little hot. Maybe someone will chime in that lives nearby
post #1779 of 3162
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elihawk View Post

Shady, I hear you...but two things...

1. The SVS cheap sub, I think a 10 inch, is $499 and the EMPtek 1010i is $399, and essentially you get two 10 inch drivers for 100 dollars less. And since we know EMP uses quality drivers in their speakers, I am assuming these are quality drivers in the sub as well. Now someone who knows speaker design better than me might say the "stack drivers is a bad idea" etc...so if so, please speak up!

2. Most subs are just plain UGLY...and while I don't have any WAF to deal with, the EMPtek sub is a great looking sub. I own two Klipsch subs and they are two butt- ugly plastic boxes!

IIRC one is just a radiator.. only 1 of the drivers is active.. has more to do with the design and the power output more than the size/ammount of drivers in the cabinet..

On paper and from some comments most other subs would outdo the EMP
post #1780 of 3162
Would a passive work in a ported application?
post #1781 of 3162
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

Would a passive work in a ported application?

Are you just asking or refering to the EMP? The EMP is sealed IIRC

At any rate while im not expert I would think it would work just fine in a ported setup. if I recall passive radiators are used to help the low frequency output of a non ported box, however I would image that adding a port would not chage much, except maybe it would give you a little more play room in your tuning/port size?

I don't see it being an advantage or disadvantge if one were going to do so but i don't know how a passive radiator works in determining its low frequency output, if its measureble or adjustable like port sizing is
post #1782 of 3162
How much do you gain from having one active and one passive radiator? I know Definative Tecnology lives by the passive radiator, but they also are freq response "grade inflators"....
post #1783 of 3162
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882290270 = polk audio new monitor 55t for $100 each free shipping on newegg.

how would these speakers match with the EMP Teks?

i'm thinking of getting 4 of these for surround and back surround duties to match with an all emptek front.
post #1784 of 3162
Well the Polk speakers are going to be much brighter sounding compared to the EMPs. While it probably wouldn't make a huge difference for surround sound, you could probably find something more ideal. Why are you going with towers for surround? Typically you want your surrounds mounted above the listening position, and a bookshelf is more than adequate for just playing surround content. Why not just get 2 pairs of the EMP E5Bi bookshelves? They have built in keyholes for wall mounting, will match your other EMPs, and look a lot better cool.gif
post #1785 of 3162
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Originally Posted by Transmaniacon View Post

Well the Polk speakers are going to be much brighter sounding compared to the EMPs. While it probably wouldn't make a huge difference for surround sound, you could probably find something more ideal. Why are you going with towers for surround? Typically you want your surrounds mounted above the listening position, and a bookshelf is more than adequate for just playing surround content. Why not just get 2 pairs of the EMP E5Bi bookshelves? They have built in keyholes for wall mounting, will match your other EMPs, and look a lot better cool.gif

What he said or this config.
http://emptek.com/e5bi.php
http://emptek.com/e55wi.php
post #1786 of 3162
i wanted towers because i dont have a full wall on the right side of the den which is connected to the kitchen. den/HT dimension is 15'x25'x8'. right wall's got at least 8' of open space starting from the back only divided by a bar. bar's around 5' length and a 3' walk way to the kitchen. i dont wanna let a bookshelf speaker sit on the counter top too. i plan to get a floorstanding speaker and let it stand between the bar and the walkway. i just dont like bookshelf speaker stands.

the back's another problem. i got less than 1' of wall from ceiling to the window. and with the curtains installed there's not enough space for a bookshelf speaker. i'm using klipsch quintets for back surrounds right now and it barely fits in there. oh well.........

and why did emp tek discontinued the shorter tower speaker? that woud be good for my surrounds for less.
post #1787 of 3162
Well you could take a look at the Pioneer FS52, they are around the same price range and better matched to the EMPs than those Polks. However, they are smaller towers, and I don't think they are going to be tall enough to put the tweeter at an appropriate level.

What about in-ceiling speakers? Maybe take a picture of the room so its easier to visualize.
post #1788 of 3162
i was planning to take some pictures of my room but always slips out of my mind. i'll take some pictures this afternoon. i want to show off my DIY flexy rack too. smile.gif
post #1789 of 3162
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shady195 View Post

Are you just asking or refering to the EMP? The EMP is sealed IIRC

At any rate while im not expert I would think it would work just fine in a ported setup. if I recall passive radiators are used to help the low frequency output of a non ported box, however I would image that adding a port would not chage much, except maybe it would give you a little more play room in your tuning/port size?

I don't see it being an advantage or disadvantge if one were going to do so but i don't know how a passive radiator works in determining its low frequency output, if its measureble or adjustable like port sizing is

The e1010i is a ported setup. A passive radiator does the same as a port in a sense in that it tunes the enclosure by driving the mass of the radiator by the back wave caused from the active speaker (if I remember correctly, been awhile since I read or cared about them lol). Biggest advantage is no port noise, but there are advantages and disadvantages of sealed and ported/passive radiator designs

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Originally Posted by Elihawk View Post

How much do you gain from having one active and one passive radiator? I know Definative Tecnology lives by the passive radiator, but they also are freq response "grade inflators"....

Hard to say. You probably lose more output near what an "open" port would be tuned at, but you likely gain output slightly above that frequency range.

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Originally Posted by jaygax View Post

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882290270 = polk audio new monitor 55t for $100 each free shipping on newegg.

how would these speakers match with the EMP Teks?

i'm thinking of getting 4 of these for surround and back surround duties to match with an all emptek front.

The monitor line is.......not good. I find it very shrill and tinny. Bass is bloated because they try to get every last drop out of the monitor line. Same concept as these ****** "beats" headphones that have come on the scene. No one nowadays knows anything about sound quality and what it means/sounds like. They think the more bass, the better. The louder and "more clear" the highs, the better. Doesn't matter if you can't understand a single word throughout the midrange!

Its sad to see the turn music has made in the past decade or so..

But yeah, the Monitor line is available from BB I believe. Go listen. Any speaker will sound different in your home, but you can at least have a look and a listen for fun. I'm sure the return policy would let you try them out. They're cheap, but to me they sound cheaper than they cost lol

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Originally Posted by jaygax View Post


and why did emp tek discontinued the shorter tower speaker? that woud be good for my surrounds for less.

With the taller, more dynamic tower not much more it wouldn't make much sense to continue production being only slightly less expensive. Not many people would choose the e5ti over the e55ti, unless in a situation like yours
post #1790 of 3162
ousooner2, since you brought it up a while back and I was planning to do it anyway, I thought I would report on my results of filling the 1010 with polyfil.

Here are some before and after pics. The 1010 comes from EMP Tek already loaded with some along it's walls, but there is still a lot of open space. I probably added about 200-250 grams (Roughly 7-9 ounces) of Polyfil to each subwoofer enclosure. I could have packed more in there, but the amp internals poke into the enclosure from behind and I didn't want to crowd them and have things start getting hot. After listening to some familiar music, and heavy hitting movie and video game segments, it definitely makes a difference. A huge difference? No. But, still, a noticeable one. I never had a problem with the subs before. Having a pair of them in my viewing area, they get plenty loud and plenty deep. But, since you mentioned the Polyfil idea a while back and I was planning to do it, I figured I'd check in on it. I still wouldn't pay EMP Tek's normal asking price for the 1010, but if you can get it for a deal, then it's certainly a worthy piece of equipment. I know this is a moot point to you, though, since you went with the Klipsch. For how cheap Polyfil is, it's definitely worth the 15 minutes of time, for anyone that owns a 1010.

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post #1791 of 3162
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Originally Posted by MrEastSide View Post

ousooner2, since you brought it up a while back and I was planning to do it anyway, I thought I would report on my results of filling the 1010 with polyfil.

Here are some before and after pics. The 1010 comes from EMP Tek already loaded with some along it's walls, but there is still a lot of open space. I probably added about 200-250 grams (Roughly 7-9 ounces) of Polyfil to each subwoofer enclosure. I could have packed more in there, but the amp internals poke into the enclosure from behind and I didn't want to crowd them and have things start getting hot. After listening to some familiar music, and heavy hitting movie and video game segments, it definitely makes a difference. A huge difference? No. But, still, a noticeable one. I never had a problem with the subs before. Having a pair of them in my viewing area, they get plenty loud and plenty deep. But, since you mentioned the Polyfil idea a while back and I was planning to do it, I figured I'd check in on it. I still wouldn't pay EMP Tek's normal asking price for the 1010, but if you can get it for a deal, then it's certainly a worthy piece of equipment. I know this is a moot point to you, though, since you went with the Klipsch. For how cheap Polyfil is, it's definitely worth the 15 minutes of time, for anyone that owns a 1010.

Good pics. Did you happen to take any pics of the driver? I think I've seen one before, but it wasn't that great. Make sure that none of that poly can get into/through the frame of the driver (like poly on the top falling down into the the driver). I'm not sure how much poly does what in a ported box as most of the time the benefits are seen in sealed setups, but if you hear a difference then that's good. Those cabinets sure are nice...eek.gif. Wish they'd add a flared end to the inside, but maybe you could do that for cheap using Parts Express or something.

I know the Klipsch rw-12d doesn't have anything in it either so I might research a little more and see what kind of stuff would have the largest benefit in a rectangular shaped, ported box.......if I keep the rw-12d's. Not sure yet redface.gif
post #1792 of 3162
So I went to best buy and took a look at their receivers. They had a new 1713 for $300, last in stock, so I grabbed it! I don't need 7.1 until I am in a house which will be a decent while. Audyssey MultEQ XT here I come!
post #1793 of 3162
1. Order that 1712 if you like what MultEQ XT has to offer and take the 1713 back biggrin.gif
2. Paypal me the $50 that you saved

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I'm interested to see what you think of MultEQ XT. I'm thinking you'll enjoy...
post #1794 of 3162
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Originally Posted by Transmaniacon View Post

So I went to best buy and took a look at their receivers. They had a new 1713 for $300, last in stock, so I grabbed it! I don't need 7.1 until I am in a house which will be a decent while. Audyssey MultEQ XT here I come!
Once you go Audyssey, you don't go back wink.gif
post #1795 of 3162
Quote:
Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

Good pics. Did you happen to take any pics of the driver? I think I've seen one before, but it wasn't that great. Make sure that none of that poly can get into/through the frame of the driver (like poly on the top falling down into the the driver). I'm not sure how much poly does what in a ported box as most of the time the benefits are seen in sealed setups, but if you hear a difference then that's good. Those cabinets sure are nice...eek.gif. Wish they'd add a flared end to the inside, but maybe you could do that for cheap using Parts Express or something.

I know the Klipsch rw-12d doesn't have anything in it either so I might research a little more and see what kind of stuff would have the largest benefit in a rectangular shaped, ported box.......if I keep the rw-12d's. Not sure yet redface.gif

If you throw polyfil in your RW-12D it will help it sound a little ccleaner, at least I thought it did.. However when you stuff it use big clumps so it doesnt come out the port tongue.gif

right before I got rid of my RW-12D, i had so much polyfil that I bought locally for my DIY i figured id stuff the 12D and see if it did anything.. deff had a better sound to it IMO.. then again it could have just been a placebo type deal
post #1796 of 3162
Haha, I think the networking for firmware updates, plus being new, plus the longer warranty is worth the $50. Plus I don't have to wait for shipping! I will let you guys know how I make out!
post #1797 of 3162
Audyssey I love you, my system has come alive! Bass is tighter and blends with my system so much better. The imaging and surround effect has improved greatly, I feel like everything is just more balanced overall. I can't believe I have gone this long thinking things sounded good, such an improvement!
post #1798 of 3162
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Originally Posted by Transmaniacon View Post

Audyssey I love you, my system has come alive! Bass is tighter and blends with my system so much better. The imaging and surround effect has improved greatly, I feel like everything is just more balanced overall. I can't believe I have gone this long thinking things sounded good, such an improvement!
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post #1799 of 3162
I dont want to say I told ya so... But...
post #1800 of 3162
Quote:
Originally Posted by Transmaniacon View Post

Audyssey I love you, my system has come alive! Bass is tighter and blends with my system so much better. The imaging and surround effect has improved greatly, I feel like everything is just more balanced overall. I can't believe I have gone this long thinking things sounded good, such an improvement!

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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

I dont want to say I told ya so... But...


We all told you wink.gif
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