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Congrats! No worries at all about responding. The fact that you did, and gave me helpful advice, is very appreciated! Hang in there over the next couple weeks, and hope mommy and baby are doing well! I only have one little girl, who is about 3 and 1/4 years old. Love her more then anything, but at this age, it's hard to deal with them. Ha ha! smile.gif
Thanks again for this information as well. I think I have decided to wait another year for an avr. Nothing ever seems future proof these days, but if hdmi 2.0 will be out next year, I may leap then. Someone else mentioned room treatments in another thread, so I am looking into those too.
Now you have me thinking about hdmi 2.0 and maybe I should wait on that too! Decision decisions....,,,

Yea my other daughter is a little over two and she is a BEAST! What did I do to my parents to deserve that... Lmao.
post #2072 of 3142
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What AVR are you using? (or external EQ if you're running that also)

I love these speakers, but they really do need a boost on the tweeter....AT LEAST IN LARGER ROOMS. This might be different for a smaller room, but MultEQ XT puts every frequency on the tweeter at +3 and up. Our ears are level (spl) dependent up high so I'd like to see them correct that or at least have a look at it. I tell you what though, some Pearl Jam - Ten sound CRAZY good at -10db biggrin.gif

 

I'll be getting a Denon X2000. I currently have nothing lol. This is my first foray into home theater audio, but it has been on my mind for years.

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I've been eying the E55Ti Tower Speakers, but the rated 88dB sensitivity sure seems low for such a well received speaker. I'm not planning on using an amp for some time, so I'd be sending 70 true watts to them. Do these really need 200 watts to feel at home?

The bookshelves at 85dB is even lower.. Seems like I'd really need to crank up the receiver to anywhere close to reference volume rolleyes.gif
post #2074 of 3142
I will let others chime in, and as I said in your thread, the impression series towers get very loud! I drive mine with a onkyo entry level receiver that has 75 watts per channel, advertised, and I have never approached full volume! I don't need my ears to bleed!
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I've been eying the E55Ti Tower Speakers, but the rated 88dB sensitivity sure seems low for such a well received speaker. I'm not planning on using an amp for some time, so I'd be sending 70 true watts to them. Do these really need 200 watts to feel at home?

The bookshelves at 85dB is even lower.. Seems like I'd really need to crank up the receiver to anywhere close to reference volume rolleyes.gif

My 1713 will make these louder than I can tolerate, I don't think you will have any issues powering them with an AVR.
post #2076 of 3142
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I've been eying the E55Ti Tower Speakers, but the rated 88dB sensitivity sure seems low for such a well received speaker. I'm not planning on using an amp for some time, so I'd be sending 70 true watts to them. Do these really need 200 watts to feel at home?

The bookshelves at 85dB is even lower.. Seems like I'd really need to crank up the receiver to anywhere close to reference volume rolleyes.gif

Not so. These will play quite loud with a 20 watt amplifier. Don't send 70 watts. You will likely do damage to your hearing. At normal listening levels I use about 10 watts per channel. I've never gone above 18 watts per channel.
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Originally Posted by AlphaPie View Post

I've been eying the E55Ti Tower Speakers, but the rated 88dB sensitivity sure seems low for such a well received speaker. I'm not planning on using an amp for some time, so I'd be sending 70 true watts to them. Do these really need 200 watts to feel at home?

The bookshelves at 85dB is even lower.. Seems like I'd really need to crank up the receiver to anywhere close to reference volume rolleyes.gif

If you need that much SPL then you need to be looking at other speaker designs. Also, if you go by the logic that low sensitivity makes a speaker 'not as good' as something with high sensitivity, then something is weird because the Revel Studio2 is also 88db...........and I've heard it's decent.
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[quote name="AlphaPie" url="/t/1101727/official-emp-owners-thread/2070#post_23869481"]I've been eying the E55Ti Tower Speakers, but the rated 88dB sensitivity sure seems low for such a well received speaker. I'm not planning on using an amp for some time, so I'd be sending 70 true watts to them. Do these really need 200 watts to feel at home? The bookshelves at 85dB is even lower.. Seems like I'd really need to crank up the receiver to anywhere close to reference volume :rolleyes:[/quote]Not so. These will play quite loud with a 20 watt amplifier. Don't send 70 watts. You will likely do damage to your hearing. At normal listening levels I use about 10 watts per channel. I've never gone above 18 watts per channel.

I usually don't go -20dBs on my denon 1913 not sure how many watts it's sending at that volume.


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[quote name="AlphaPie" url="/t/1101727/official-emp-owners-thread/2000_100#post_23869481"]I've been eying the E55Ti Tower Speakers, but the rated 88dB sensitivity sure seems low for such a well received speaker. I'm not planning on using an amp for some time, so I'd be sending 70 true watts to them. Do these really need 200 watts to feel at home? The bookshelves at 85dB is even lower.. Seems like I'd really need to crank up the receiver to anywhere close to reference volume :rolleyes:[/quote]If you need that much SPL then you need to be looking at other speaker designs. Also, if you go by the logic that low sensitivity makes a speaker 'not as good' as something with high sensitivity, then something is weird because the Revel Studio2 is also 88db...........and I've heard it's decent.

I go by the logic that the higher the sensitivity the less wattage is needed to achieve a desired volume with less possible distortion. Not that a quality speaker at 85dB couldn't preform well enough solely because it's rated sensitivity is lower than its high end competitors. From what I've been reading 70 watts isn't much power, really. Considering my LP is around 9' I don't necessarily need a ton of SPL. Im just being a very cautious buyer, especially since I will be unable to hear these speakers before I would purchase them.


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There are so many variables involved. It is more of a listening type. -10db on my avr could be different than somebody else's avr do to calibration adjustments with the same speakers. Also, how loud you listen to your setup is another factor. When I watch a movie, -10db on my avr is around 121db on my spl meter. That also includes my sub which is extremely loud, but I do have the headroom for my speakers and they are not drowned out by the sub. God forbid if I turn down the sub lol. That is against my religion! I want the speakers to perform they way they should on demand and not have anything bottle neck the performance.

This leads me to say that it all depends on your setup and personal preference. This could easily get into a big discussion about amps vs no amps. That has always been a topic around this forum. There are people with and without amps running these speakers, so the answer is......you do not have to have an amp to run the Emps. If you feel that you need more out of your speakers because they they are not delivering the quality at a loud volume or your avr is struggling, then add an amp. If you want to run them without an amp, talk to the people that don't use an amp. If you want an amp, talk to the people that are using an amp.
post #2081 of 3142
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I go by the logic that the higher the sensitivity the less wattage is needed to achieve a desired volume with less possible distortion
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Coorect

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Not that a quality speaker at 85dB couldn't preform well enough solely because it's rated sensitivity is lower than its high end competitors. From what I've been reading 70 watts isn't much power, really. Considering my LP is around 9' I don't necessarily need a ton of SPL. Im just being a very cautious buyer, especially since I will be unable to hear these speakers before I would purchase them.

I agree on everything pointed out. Also, those are the bookshelf speakers and those would be your surrounds, so they would be even less than 9' I am assuming.
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I go by the logic that the higher the sensitivity the less wattage is needed to achieve a desired volume with less possible distortion. Not that a quality speaker at 85dB couldn't preform well enough solely because it's rated sensitivity is lower than its high end competitors. From what I've been reading 70 watts isn't much power, really. Considering my LP is around 9' I don't necessarily need a ton of SPL. Im just being a very cautious buyer, especially since I will be unable to hear these speakers before I would purchase them.


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Correct. I guess my point was hard to understand. That point was to find a speaker that you like to listen to first. Sensitivity isn't everything and finding it correctly published is a whole other story!

Look out for that possible Black Friday sale and post up if/when you get them
Edited by ousooner2 - 10/25/13 at 8:28am
post #2083 of 3142
It takes 1 watt of power to make them produce a loudness of 88dB at 1 meter away. Doubling the power increases the SPL by 3dB. So let's say you give them a very modest 32 watts, this produces a SPL of 106dB at 1 meter, subtract 9dB for being 9' away, and you are hitting 97dB at your listening position with less than half of your AVRs power output. This is loud, think of standing near a jackhammer and that is about the equivalent. People overestimate their power needs and I think you would be fine without a discrete amp.
post #2084 of 3142
Some very good speakers have low sensitivity and some poor speakers have high sensitivity! The two are often not related!
But that as aside, plenty of posters have stated that the EMP impression towers play loud and clean, especially in their price range!
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

Now you have me thinking about hdmi 2.0 and maybe I should wait on that too! Decision decisions....,,,

A person can forever "justify" playing the waiting game with the excuse they want to avoid "buyer's remorse."

Every technology gets outdated. The trick is just let it go and enjoy it today. But darn, it sure sucks paying for that convenience. :-/
post #2086 of 3142
Taken from another thread on these forums so we don't clutter up that thread that has NOTHING to do with EMP lol
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Yeah please do! I am also anxiously hoping EMP puts the E56Ci on sale for Black Friday so I can finally round out my 5.1.

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Yeah the e56ci is very nice. Looks killer!! I still have yet to get it to sound perfect, but I'm trying different things. At times I feel like I'm still hearing the ever so slightest distortion in voices (only at very random times; not an all the time thing), from what I believe is the tweeter. I've replaced the tweeter so I'm wondering if there's something else that's wrong on the x-over/wiring/etc or if I just have a good ear. I feel like the e56 is ever so slightly voice different than the e55's. I know it's not as efficient (about 2db's is what I've found), but I feel like it's a little different and that can collapse the stage at times.

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That is interesting, I will definitely let you know what I hear if/when I get one. Does it come with rubber feet on the bottom like the E5Bi?

Edit: Sorry to get off-topic, I think the MB42x paired with a Lepai 2020A+ and Dayton SUB-1000 would be a great 2.1 system.


Trans...it comes with little rubber things on the bottom (like bumpstops if you will), but they're very short. Just there so they don't scratch something or get scratched. I added a few on the front so it points up a little. I'm going to try to re-run MultEQ XT and see if I can't get a better response. I'm not sure why I can't get my front soundstage to blend well. The stage is wider than the speakers in 2.0 with the e55's, but with the e56ci it's almost like there is too much coming from the e56 and if I lower the level to where it's even with the e55's then the voices are hard to make out
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Anyone have the inside scoop if there will be any BF sales from EmpTek. I am getting ready to pull the trigger on the E55ti but don't know if I should wait or not. I wonder if they are willing to offer a credit if I order it now and then they have a BF sale.
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Taken from another thread on these forums so we don't clutter up that thread that has NOTHING to do with EMP lol


Trans...it comes with little rubber things on the bottom (like bumpstops if you will), but they're very short. Just there so they don't scratch something or get scratched. I added a few on the front so it points up a little. I'm going to try to re-run MultEQ XT and see if I can't get a better response. I'm not sure why I can't get my front soundstage to blend well. The stage is wider than the speakers in 2.0 with the e55's, but with the e56ci it's almost like there is too much coming from the e56 and if I lower the level to where it's even with the e55's then the voices are hard to make out

How far apart are your mains? I have read some people find the need to pull the L and R speakers forward beyond the center so as to maintain an equal distance from the main listening location.
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Anyone have the inside scoop if there will be any BF sales from EmpTek. I am getting ready to pull the trigger on the E55ti but don't know if I should wait or not. I wonder if they are willing to offer a credit if I order it now and then they have a BF sale.

I spoke with Brian a few weeks ago and it sounds like a BF is pretty likely, however what will be included in the sale is anyone's guess. IIRC last year it was early November so if we are going to hear something it will likely be soon. I would sign up for the newsletter because they will notify subscribers that way.
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How far apart are your mains?

I have read some people find the need to pull the L and R speakers forward beyond the center so as to maintain an equal distance from the main listening location.

To the center of each main (e55ti) is about 9.5'. I have 65" wide stand and a rw-12d on each side. The image is EASILY centered in 2.0, but with the e56ci on the image is almost too centered or too localized. It seemed to help a bit by aiming the e56ci up a little so I'm going to experiment with that and likely re-calibrate. I've pulled the c56ci to the edge of the stand also, to reduce any possible reflections that could cause frequency issues


Since I'm using DSP, pulling the LR forward from the center to maintain distance is a moot point as the speakers will have TA on them
post #2091 of 3142
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To the center of each main (e55ti) is about 9.5'. I have 65" wide stand and a rw-12d on each side. The image is EASILY centered in 2.0, but with the e56ci on the image is almost too centered or too localized. It seemed to help a bit by aiming the e56ci up a little so I'm going to experiment with that and likely re-calibrate. I've pulled the c56ci to the edge of the stand also, to reduce any possible reflections that could cause frequency issues


Since I'm using DSP, pulling the LR forward from the center to maintain distance is a moot point as the speakers will have TA on them

Are the speakers as close as together as they can get with the subs? You may have them too far apart for a center, not sure if this is an issue, just thinking out loud.
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My R/L mains are further apart that that...I would guess about 12 foot and not equal distance from the TV (damn doorway issues). My right speaker is about 8 feet form the middle of the TV, the left about 5. Not sure I have the imaging perfect, but I have notcied that it isn't either...I have used EQ to level balance and corrected some more on my own. Any thoughts on the best way to correct for this, short of remolding my basement!?
post #2093 of 3142
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My R/L mains are further apart that that...I would guess about 12 foot and not equal distance from the TV (damn doorway issues). My right speaker is about 8 feet form the middle of the TV, the left about 5. Not sure I have the imaging perfect, but I have notcied that it isn't either...I have used EQ to level balance and corrected some more on my own. Any thoughts on the best way to correct for this, short of remolding my basement!?

Can you just center the TV on that wall instead of the room and treat the area as if the room ended at the doorway?
post #2094 of 3142
I just emailed Brian and he said they have a 30 days price protection. So I'll go ahead and order it now. Thanks for the reply.
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The TV is on short wall, so from wall to doorway is only about 6 feet. E5ti, E10i10i, 50 inch TV and that is all she wrote for that wall...then an open doorway/hallway and the other wall is about 4 foot away..other E5ti. I did submit a photo of my set up a couple weeks ago, so it is afew pages back
post #2096 of 3142
Woot! Placed the order. Now the wait begins. Thanks to this thread, it help we decided over the HTD Level 3 and the Focal 814v.
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Nice! So, what did you order? Welcome to the forum as well! I have never heard the Focal 814v, but they do look intriguing.
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Woot! Placed the order. Now the wait begins. Thanks to this thread, it help we decided over the HTD Level 3 and the Focal 814v.

I too was close to ordering the Focals from Accessories4Less. I finally ordered the EMP towers and have had them for several months. They absolutely amaze me in terms of the sound quality for price. They replaced a pair of $1500 towers and literally blew them away. I had a pair of B&W 802 Matrix speakers about 10 years ago or so. It isn't fair to compare with that kind of interim time frame so I'll just say that, given the opportunity to own 802's at their price and EMP at their price, I would buy the EMP again. They really are that good. I think the Focals would have been pretty good too but most likely not better. Congratulations on the order.
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Originally Posted by Elihawk View Post

The TV is on short wall, so from wall to doorway is only about 6 feet. E5ti, E10i10i, 50 inch TV and that is all she wrote for that wall...then an open doorway/hallway and the other wall is about 4 foot away..other E5ti. I did submit a photo of my set up a couple weeks ago, so it is afew pages back

Ah yeah I see now, that is a tough location. I guess you will have to keep moving the speaker for critical listening, else you would need to rearrange the room.
post #2100 of 3142
Eventually, I will buy a projector and move the set up to the 12 foot sq wall...but only after I get a very slight basement drainage problem fixed. As I said, the set up isn't ideal, but sounds pretty darn good!
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