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post #2101 of 3142
I ordered the E55ti. Anyone have an idea of their shipping time to Los Angeles? Also, is there a break in period for these towers? Do they play differently at first and then gets better as time elapse?
post #2102 of 3142
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Originally Posted by revlimit View Post

I ordered the E55ti. Anyone have an idea of their shipping time to Los Angeles?

They are coming from Utah, so it shouldn't take very long. I believe they use FedEx.
post #2103 of 3142
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Originally Posted by revlimit View Post

I ordered the E55ti. Anyone have an idea of their shipping time to Los Angeles? Also, is there a break in period for these towers? Do they play differently at first and then gets better as time elapse?

Just the towers? What do you plan on using for a center channel or surrounds?

I really want to order these speakers, but I don't want to order until I see exactly which speakers they are going to put on sale. I just hope it's not some package deal that would involve the sub since I don't need that part of the package.
post #2104 of 3142
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Originally Posted by vbman29 View Post

Just the towers? What do you plan on using for a center channel or surrounds?

I really want to order these speakers, but I don't want to order until I see exactly which speakers they are going to put on sale. I just hope it's not some package deal that would involve the sub since I don't need that part of the package.

They don't sell any packages. Last year I believe all the Impression series was on sale for 45% off. I got a pair of the E55Ti for $470 shipped! eek.gif

Hopefully they are on sale again this year!
post #2105 of 3142
I can only sneak 2 speakers in at a time. smile.gif I already have a left over Axiom center channel. I know I know it is not the best speaker but I'll have to wait till I get more funds.
post #2106 of 3142
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Originally Posted by revlimit View Post

I can only sneak 2 speakers in at a time. smile.gif I already have a left over Axiom center channel. I know I know it is not the best speaker but I'll have to wait till I get more funds.

I hope you are good at sneaking, those boxes are massive... biggrin.gif
post #2107 of 3142
I guess I'll have to get one of the on the wall speakers if I ever upgrade my center. I noticed that the EW25, EW30, and EW35 specs are identical. Did someone made a error somewhere? I would like to know what are the differences betweem them.
post #2108 of 3142
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Originally Posted by revlimit View Post

I guess I'll have to get one of the on the wall speakers if I ever upgrade my center. I noticed that the EW25, EW30, and EW35 specs are identical. Did someone made a error somewhere? I would like to know what are the differences betweem them.

Maybe download the users manual, it should have the correct specs, if not then EMP's customer service is very helpful.
post #2109 of 3142
The specs on the website and manual doesn't indicate any diferences beside the weights and dimensions.
post #2110 of 3142
So what do you all use as rear surround speakers? Do you go with the bookshelf speakers or use the on wall surrounds? Also, what is the best mounting option for each speaker. Is it the mounts offered though EMP or are there other universal mounts that work that may be a little cheaper?
post #2111 of 3142
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Originally Posted by vbman29 View Post

So what do you all use as rear surround speakers? Do you go with the bookshelf speakers or use the on wall surrounds? Also, what is the best mounting option for each speaker. Is it the mounts offered though EMP or are there other universal mounts that work that may be a little cheaper?

I use e5bi's with the Pinpoint AM24b mount
post #2112 of 3142
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Originally Posted by vbman29 View Post

So what do you all use as rear surround speakers? Do you go with the bookshelf speakers or use the on wall surrounds? Also, what is the best mounting option for each speaker. Is it the mounts offered though EMP or are there other universal mounts that work that may be a little cheaper?

I had 2 left over E5Ci center channels left over after upgrading to the new E56Ci's when they came out.

I just stand them on end and they work perfectly and have an extra driver vs the bookshelf speakers.
post #2113 of 3142
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

I use e5bi's with the Pinpoint AM24b mount

Thanks for the mount suggestion. That looks much more reasonable than the mounts on EMP's site.
post #2114 of 3142
Received my E55ti yesterday. They are huge and heavy and the finish on them are very nice. Hope they sound as nice as they look. Haven't had the chance to test it out yet.
post #2115 of 3142
I am envious! Please do post some pics here on your beautiful speakers.
post #2116 of 3142
Revlimit....great choice and congrats on your speakers. Question above, about break in period...lots of controversy about whether a break in period really exists. Some of the components of the driver may be stiff and loosen up with time, but those who do physical measurements on brand new and then 20 or more hours later will say not much changes. Many argue that differences heard are more psyhcological, and your ear just get trained to your speakers.
That aside, I never heard any major differences from my speakers that I could relate to breaking in...and I felt the speakers sound great right out of the box, but got much better with proper set up and EQ!
post #2117 of 3142
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Originally Posted by Elihawk View Post

Revlimit....great choice and congrats on your speakers. Question above, about break in period...lots of controversy about whether a break in period really exists. Some of the components of the driver may be stiff and loosen up with time, but those who do physical measurements on brand new and then 20 or more hours later will say not much changes. Many argue that differences heard are more psyhcological, and your ear just get trained to your speakers.
That aside, I never heard any major differences from my speakers that I could relate to breaking in...and I felt the speakers sound great right out of the box, but got much better with proper set up and EQ!

+1

all a myth IMO.
post #2118 of 3142
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Originally Posted by Elihawk View Post

Some of the components of the driver may be stiff and loosen up with time... Many argue that differences heard are more psyhcological, and your ear just get trained to your speakers.
Both of those statements are true. The bulk of what will change happens within forty hours of normal playing, or eight hours of accelerated break-in. Most of the change will be in the woofer response. Beyond that actual changes are slight and imperceptible. You do get accustomed to your speakers as well, and that takes much longer. Those who advertise that their speakers take longer than 40 hours to break in are aware of and are capitalizing on that fact. They should not be rewarded with your business for making bogus claims.
post #2119 of 3142
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

Both of those statements are true. The bulk of what will change happens within forty hours of normal playing, or eight hours of accelerated break-in. Most of the change will be in the woofer response. Beyond that actual changes are slight and imperceptible. You do get accustomed to your speakers as well, and that takes much longer. Those who advertise that their speakers take longer than 40 hours to break in are aware of and are capitalizing on that fact. They should not be rewarded with your business for making bogus claims.

40 hours? More like 40 milliseconds. We did a bias controlled test in a dealer's showroom one night. We unboxed a new pair of B&W Matrix 801 speakers so they could be delivered the next day. We placed them next to a pair of Matrix 801's that the dealer had been using on his floor for about 3 months and did the bias controlled test. No audible difference. None of the 6 people including the dealer in the test could tell which was which. That was enough to convince me that listeners break in to speakers and not vice versa. I would say that the listener break in probably happens in less than 40 hours. With my EMP towers it was a matter of perhaps 8-10 hours of listening.
post #2120 of 3142
I definitely noticed a little more low end with my tower after maybe 10-15 hours of listening, whether that is due to my ears adjusting to the sound or a physical change who knows.
post #2121 of 3142
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Originally Posted by Transmaniacon View Post

I definitely noticed a little more low end with my tower after maybe 10-15 hours of listening, whether that is due to my ears adjusting to the sound or a physical change who knows.

Did you play the exact same content 10-15 hours later to get an equal comparison between the two time periods? I would be really surprised if it made an audible difference. You also could have been standing or sitting in a different spot and that could have made a difference as well.
post #2122 of 3142
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

Did you play the exact same content 10-15 hours later to get an equal comparison between the two time periods? I would be really surprised if it made an audible difference. You also could have been standing or sitting in a different spot and that could have made a difference as well.

I played a vartiety of music when I first got them, and listened all day, I played the same content a couple days later and the sound did seem fuller, I only have one listening position. I am not advocating one way or the other, just sharing my experience. It wasn't a substantial change by any means, just slightly.
post #2123 of 3142
We all get different perceptions. My towers lost what I would describe as a mid range edginess and what I viewed as inadequate tweeter output corrected itself to some degree. I'm sure it is I rather than the speakers. I still wish the speakers had more tweeter output but they certainly aren't bad. MCACC agrees with me because it boosted the 10Khz and up range.
post #2124 of 3142
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Originally Posted by FMW View Post

We all get different perceptions. My towers lost what I would describe as a mid range edginess and what I viewed as inadequate tweeter output corrected itself to some degree. I'm sure it is I rather than the speakers. I still wish the speakers had more tweeter output but they certainly aren't bad. MCACC agrees with me because it boosted the 10Khz and up range.
I've measure these guys & they start falling off pretty quickly.
post #2125 of 3142
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Originally Posted by FMW View Post

We all get different perceptions. My towers lost what I would describe as a mid range edginess and what I viewed as inadequate tweeter output corrected itself to some degree. I'm sure it is I rather than the speakers. I still wish the speakers had more tweeter output but they certainly aren't bad. MCACC agrees with me because it boosted the 10Khz and up range.
How does it sound with the boost? Did it brighten up the tweeter enough for your listening preference?
post #2126 of 3142
For those with Audyssey, switching from movie mode to music mode helped me.
post #2127 of 3142
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Originally Posted by FMW View Post

We all get different perceptions. My towers lost what I would describe as a mid range edginess and what I viewed as inadequate tweeter output corrected itself to some degree. I'm sure it is I rather than the speakers. I still wish the speakers had more tweeter output but they certainly aren't bad. MCACC agrees with me because it boosted the 10Khz and up range.

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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

I've measure these guys & they start falling off pretty quickly.

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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

How does it sound with the boost? Did it brighten up the tweeter enough for your listening preference?

I know you're not asking me, but they sound a lot better with the tweeter EQ'd up/boosted. Ideally you don't want to boost a lot, but MultEQ XT has boosted anywhere from 2db to 6db in my room, which is A LOT. Listening without MultEQ enabled now, they sound incredibly flat/lifeless. Like the tweeter isn't even working or something. I always hoped EMP would revamp the level on the tweeter or something. Maybe release an updated crossover network. Maybe if they padded the tweeter it would be simple to remove that or something...I don't know lol....just spitballin' here!! I think these speakers are fantastic, especially for their price, but the tweeter is definitely the biggest downfall of the Impression series. So much that I've given thought and looked for a replacement (maybe something a little more sensitive, but I don't know what they've done within the x-over network...so I can't really just throw something else in there). The crossover is at 3k though (probably a 12db slope), which most good tweeters can handle easily. I feel at times the amount that Audyssey has boosted the tweeters leads to distortion. When watching movies and I really want to crank it, I can hear some distortion at times. It's harder/can't hear it when they're running with no EQ, but that could just be a function of them being down in level/SPL so much.




On another note, yesterday I was listening and something happened again that I haven't heard in awhile that bothers me. I haven't had much time to listen lately, but this is a weird problem. I don't think its my mind playing tricks on me, but I guess it could be. I hear certain instruments, vocals, etc 'higher' (by higher I mean HEIGHT higher in space) on the right side/right e55ti. Here's an example using an image of my layout. Just image you're looking straight on and you'll get it


Certain cues are 'higher' on the right side. This could just be room acoustics, but that's a little odd in and of itself don't you think? I looked at the tweeter polarity yesterday and they're both correct. I swapped and played with different combos of tweeter polarity and they are definitely in-phase. The midrange sounds good so I wouldn't think something is messed up there, but who knows.
post #2128 of 3142
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

On another note, yesterday I was listening and something happened again that I haven't heard in awhile that bothers me. I haven't had much time to listen lately, but this is a weird problem. I don't think its my mind playing tricks on me, but I guess it could be. I hear certain instruments, vocals, etc 'higher' (by higher I mean HEIGHT higher in space) on the right side/right e55ti. Here's an example using an image of my layout. Just image you're looking straight on and you'll get it


Certain cues are 'higher' on the right side. This could just be room acoustics, but that's a little odd in and of itself don't you think? I looked at the tweeter polarity yesterday and they're both correct. I swapped and played with different combos of tweeter polarity and they are definitely in-phase. The midrange sounds good so I wouldn't think something is messed up there, but who knows.

Did you try swapping speakers and see if the issue still persists on the right side?
post #2129 of 3142
Wow. How did I not think of that? redface.gif

That's sad. I'll try that today. Leaving from work in a few so I'll try it. Thanks
post #2130 of 3142
ousooner2....do you here distortion only in the tweeter? If you do, that is really strange and I do not know the cause of that. Usually the entire speaker will distort if there is distorting and that is cause by the speaker clipping the amp.

I do'nt know but maybe BIll will chime back in here because he probably knows whats up with that.
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