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post #2161 of 3142
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post


I dealt with this a little yesterday. I played with toe-in angle, but saw/heard my biggest gains to my stage width and separation come from distance, which is weird b/c the EQ is supposed to set this. I have yet to run EQ again to see if MultEQ possibly just got the distance/TimeAlignment wrong or something. I was using a few tracks from an Autosound disc (disc #102) to look at this. There's a track that has 7 drum beats spread across the stage and I found my stage was severely collapsed on the right side. Left was pretty good, and actually spanned out past the FL speaker, but the right side was crammed and barely even made it to the FR speaker (see diagram below)

Here's what FMW is talking about:
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Here's what I was hearing on the 7 beats across the stage track (note my distances are not equilateral)
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I'm assuming room acoustics could be the cause of the majority of this, but who knows. It's pretty much open on both sides of the speakers so it's possible that MultEQ XT just got the distance wrong.

Thanks for the drawing. I'll have to toy with the angle and distance. When using the MultEQ XT, do you tweak it afterward or just run it once and forget about it?
post #2162 of 3142
Photos I've taken at my friend's house during a EMP subwoofer shootout with Hsu and Dayton
Note this is not the actual placement of the sub, the arrangement here is shown for illustration
From left: Hsu VTF-3 MK4, EMP ES1010i, Dayton DIY C1500K





One last photo taken beside an EMP tower


I'll write a review later.
But I'll give a brief one on the ES1010i. Mostly the pros':
- a quiet sounding sub, not loud, just like the Hsu
- sounds musical
- decently accurate
- surprising able to hit deep. I can feel 25 hz eerie!
I wish I can take measurement but I don't know what mic or software to use. Can an Audyssey mic do it?
post #2163 of 3142
Wow wow wow... what can I say
EMP is on early sale right now. Decent discount across all the impression series http://emptek.com
More power to you guys!
post #2164 of 3142
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Originally Posted by koresuki View Post

Photos I've taken at my friend's house during a EMP subwoofer shootout with Hsu and Dayton
Note this is not the actual placement of the sub, the arrangement here is shown for illustration

I'll write a review later.
But I'll give a brief one on the ES1010i. Mostly the pros':
- a quiet sounding sub, not loud, just like the Hsu
- sounds musical
- decently accurate
- surprising able to hit deep. I can feel 25 hz eerie!
I wish I can take measurement but I don't know what mic or software to use. Can an Audyssey mic do it?

No you can't use the Audyssey mic to take measurements. The cheapest way is to pick up an SPL meter, but obviously you won't get a real time plot of how it sounds/looks like an Omnimic using REW (essentially an RTA/real-time-analyzer). Once I get some time and can find the correction values for the Radioshack digital SPL meter I'd like to take measurements of my dual rw-12d setup to see what it looks like and then plot them in Excel.

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Originally Posted by koresuki View Post

Wow wow wow... what can I say
EMP is on early sale right now. Decent discount across all the impression series http://emptek.com
More power to you guys!

Good catch!!

EMP Black Friday sale is here. Crazy prices. After shipping....I don't know how they do it. Seriously. No way in hell should these be anywhere near this price
post #2165 of 3142
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Originally Posted by koresuki View Post

Wow wow wow... what can I say
EMP is on early sale right now. Decent discount across all the impression series http://emptek.com
More power to you guys!

Thanks for the tip. I ordered a new center channel to match my towers.
post #2166 of 3142
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Originally Posted by koresuki View Post

Wow wow wow... what can I say
EMP is on early sale right now. Decent discount across all the impression series http://emptek.com
More power to you guys!
You will not find anything with this build quality & sound for those prices.
post #2167 of 3142
How do the towers sound for 2 channel? Looking for my game room. Mainly sporting events, some music. Or would the bookshelf speakers do just fine?


Dimensions, 12x20 with 7-9' sloped ceiling
post #2168 of 3142
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Originally Posted by Randall.White View Post

How do the towers sound for 2 channel? Looking for my game room. Mainly sporting events, some music. Or would the bookshelf speakers do just fine?


Dimensions, 12x20 with 7-9' sloped ceiling

I would go with the towers & run them in full range.
post #2169 of 3142
The bookshelf speakers would so just fine if you were to add a subwoofer to the mix. If not, then you would do better by far with the towers. I'm not a big TV watcher so my system is used primarily for music listening with about 20% for watching blu rays and DVD's. I use the towers with a subwoofer but the sub is setup to support the bass in the towers, not to vibrate the room. Of course it does vibrate the room with movie LFE. There are many good ways to use speakers and some bad ones. Get the towers if you don't use a sub.
post #2170 of 3142
I would get the towers over the bookshelf speakers but I would still get a sub with the towers as well. I have heard full range speakers before ( really expensive ) and you can get away without using a sub with those, but the Emps do not have authority down low. I do think they have a beautiful sound everywhere else and they do sound relatively close to some speakers that are way more expensive except the bass area.
post #2171 of 3142
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Originally Posted by Randall.White View Post

How do the towers sound for 2 channel? Looking for my game room. Mainly sporting events, some music. Or would the bookshelf speakers do just fine?


Dimensions, 12x20 with 7-9' sloped ceiling

12x20x8' is about 1,900cuft. Not a huge area, but about a medium size area. What you want is going to depend on your budget. Either way, I'd run a sub. The e55's don't get low like most towers, but I wouldn't EVER run towers full-range without a subwoofer...unless we're looking at $10,000+ speakers. Put it this way, since you'll just be using it for music, sporting events, etc then I'd much rather have bookshelves and a solid sub or 2 over towers and a single, lower level 10" or something like that. Sporting events aren't going to be much different or more dynamic on the towers (over the bookshelves) so that's kind of a moot point. Music....depends on what you wanna spend. Any idea on your budget?


I see that the e1010i subs are $250 shipped right now. That's crazy. I REALLY am thinking about selling my rw-12d's and picking up 2 of the e1010i's. I'm trying to get EMP to ship me one or two to do a review, take spl measurements in-room compared to the rw-12d, etc. Since the rw-12d is gone, there is now a huge opening in the market for the $250-$350 subs. The rw-12d was a big seller, but now it's gone. If the e1010i can put up the same or very close to the same SPL, while sounding better and definitely looking better then that's a win in my book.



By the way....went to see Pearl Jam in concert last night. WOW!! Awesome awesome concert! They play a 31-track set. And for those of you that don't know they always change their set list every concert so it's never the same. Pretty cool. They played for over 3 hours biggrin.gif:D
post #2172 of 3142
Pear Jam is awesome!

Why did they do away with the rw-12? That sub was selling like hot cakes! I am kind of shocked by this.
post #2173 of 3142
I have both the rw12 and the emp10i10...and did an a/b comparison before I moved the klipsch upstairs. For pure output, the 12 inch klipsch wins. For accuracy, the emp wins. The klipsch hits lower, but I felt it was a bit boomy (don't have sub eq, and the only way I could reduce the boom-iness was to just reduce the output. For me, the EMP sub wins and on top of sq, it wins hand down in terms of looks!
Should add that my emp set up is in a 12x 22 foot basement theater room and the emp sub is plenty if sub for that room! For 250.00, well that is a great price!
post #2174 of 3142
And Pearl Jam is on my "must see" list!
post #2175 of 3142
Damn I was hoping there would be a deeper discount for the E56Ci center speaker.... only 80 bucks off the regular price. I guess that's as good as it'll get. gonna get the subwoofer and center speaker.
post #2176 of 3142
This isn't my HT or movie watching room. I have a LFM-1EX subwoofer and looking to buy NHT speakers for that room. I'm just looking for a decent sounding speaker for my game room. This room will be used 1-2 a week at most. Mainly when the wife wants to watch something else so I'll go watch football in there. I just can't stand listening to the TV speakers, especially after having 7.1 for so long now.

I like the look of the towers and they seem to be more stable then speaker stands. I have a Doberman and a English bulldog, not saying they run into my stuff but they do run through the house so they need to be sturdy.
post #2177 of 3142
Haven't really thought of a budget. I do like a good deal though, always looking for best bang for my $$$$.

Was thinking if Outlaw has another BF sale, might just pick up 2 and save one for my game room.
post #2178 of 3142
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Originally Posted by blamekilly View Post

Damn I was hoping there would be a deeper discount for the E56Ci center speaker.... only 80 bucks off the regular price. I guess that's as good as it'll get. gonna get the subwoofer and center speaker.

Remember the prices on all of their products were reduced earlier this year too. I don't think you will ever see it cheaper.
post #2179 of 3142
Do you guys mind helping me with this decision?

Two years ago, I bought a Sony 3D TV bundle that included a BDV-E580 bluray home theater receiver system . I thought the sound was adequate for my need but I didn't like the look of the small satellite speakers so I looked for some cheap tower speakers online. I got lucky and found a local guy last year who sold me a pair of E55Ti for $200. The E55Ti sounded great but created a mismatch with the satellite speakers, especially the center channel. I wanted to get the E56Ci center speaker and ES1010i sub but they were too expensive for me at regular price so I thought I'd wait for this year's Black Friday sale.

I was disappointed that there wasn't as big a discount on the center speaker but almost pulled the trigger on the center and sub anyways for $564 until I saw someone local who was trying to sell his home theater setup. The setup consist of an EMP E56Ci center, a ES1010i sub, a pair of E55Wi surround, a pair of E5Ti towers ( i don't really need), and a Pioneer SC-1222-K receiver(would be a big upgrade but i don't think I really need it.) I might be able to get it for around $700-800.

What do you guys think? Stick with the original plan and get the center and sub from EMP or go for the used setup?
post #2180 of 3142
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Originally Posted by blamekilly View Post

Do you guys mind helping me with this decision?

Two years ago, I bought a Sony 3D TV bundle that included a BDV-E580 bluray home theater receiver system . I thought the sound was adequate for my need but I didn't like the look of the small satellite speakers so I looked for some cheap tower speakers online. I got lucky and found a local guy last year who sold me a pair of E55Ti for $200. The E55Ti sounded great but created a mismatch with the satellite speakers, especially the center channel. I wanted to get the E56Ci center speaker and ES1010i sub but they were too expensive for me at regular price so I thought I'd wait for this year's Black Friday sale.

I was disappointed that there wasn't as big a discount on the center speaker but almost pulled the trigger on the center and sub anyways for $564 until I saw someone local who was trying to sell his home theater setup. The setup consist of an EMP E56Ci center, a ES1010i sub, a pair of E55Wi surround, a pair of E5Ti towers ( i don't really need), and a Pioneer SC-1222-K receiver(would be a big upgrade but i don't think I really need it.) I might be able to get it for around $700-800.

What do you guys think? Stick with the original plan and get the center and sub from EMP or go for the used setup?

I think an easy fix for the budget problem is simply to buy the smaller center channel speaker. I just ordered one myself. For $155 is almost a throw away. There is not reason to think that it won't work just fine for you. The receiver doesn't matter in terms of sound quality. If you want the features of a more feature laden receiver and will use them, then it would make sense to buy one. Otherwise you are probably fine with what you have. If you don't have a sub then that is by far the most important thing you can do for your sound quality.
post #2181 of 3142
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Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

I see that the e1010i subs are $250 shipped right now. That's crazy. I REALLY am thinking about selling my rw-12d's and picking up 2 of the e1010i's. I'm trying to get EMP to ship me one or two to do a review, take spl measurements in-room compared to the rw-12d, etc. Since the rw-12d is gone, there is now a huge opening in the market for the $250-$350 subs. The rw-12d was a big seller, but now it's gone. If the e1010i can put up the same or very close to the same SPL, while sounding better and definitely looking better then that's a win in my book.

You could probably turn a profit selling the RW-12Ds and buying the e1010i pair cool.gif
post #2182 of 3142
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Originally Posted by FMW View Post

I think an easy fix for the budget problem is simply to buy the smaller center channel speaker. I just ordered one myself. For $155 is almost a throw away. There is not reason to think that it won't work just fine for you. The receiver doesn't matter in terms of sound quality. If you want the features of a more feature laden receiver and will use them, then it would make sense to buy one. Otherwise you are probably fine with what you have. If you don't have a sub then that is by far the most important thing you can do for your sound quality.

I disagree. I had the e5ci center speaker with the e55ti towers and that center could not keep up. I went ahead and bought the e56ci center and it made a world of a difference! No joke, it was a BIG difference!

Blamekilly.....315 dollars is a good price for the e56ci. I remember when it was on sale for 450 dollars.
post #2183 of 3142
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

I disagree. I had the e5ci center speaker with the e55ti towers and that center could not keep up. I went ahead and bought the e56ci center and it made a world of a difference! No joke, it was a BIG difference!

Blamekilly.....315 dollars is a good price for the e56ci. I remember when it was on sale for 450 dollars.

Yeah and furthermore the E56Ci has a more ideal driver layout to prevent lobing, with the tweeter not on the same axis as the mids and woofers.
post #2184 of 3142
If you can get the entire EMP set up used, listed above...the e5Ti make great music speakers for a bedroom/other room set up and then you would get the center, sub and some really great dipole surrounds.

I have the smaller center and it has no problem keeping up with my system. however, I have the e5tis smaller towers, so...but no way is the center the weak link in my system!
post #2185 of 3142
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Originally Posted by blamekilly View Post

Damn I was hoping there would be a deeper discount for the E56Ci center speaker.... only 80 bucks off the regular price. I guess that's as good as it'll get. gonna get the subwoofer and center speaker.

It's a 5 driver center/mini tower basically. Not to mention it's got a cabinet and finish that shouldn't be anywhere remotely close to this price. I would jump on it now and not look back
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Originally Posted by Randall.White View Post

This isn't my HT or movie watching room. I have a LFM-1EX subwoofer and looking to buy NHT speakers for that room. I'm just looking for a decent sounding speaker for my game room. This room will be used 1-2 a week at most. Mainly when the wife wants to watch something else so I'll go watch football in there. I just can't stand listening to the TV speakers, especially after having 7.1 for so long now.

I like the look of the towers and they seem to be more stable then speaker stands. I have a Doberman and a English bulldog, not saying they run into my stuff but they do run through the house so they need to be sturdy.

So you need speakers just to watch tv and possibly a little music?

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Originally Posted by blamekilly View Post

Do you guys mind helping me with this decision?

Two years ago, I bought a Sony 3D TV bundle that included a BDV-E580 bluray home theater receiver system . I thought the sound was adequate for my need but I didn't like the look of the small satellite speakers so I looked for some cheap tower speakers online. I got lucky and found a local guy last year who sold me a pair of E55Ti for $200. The E55Ti sounded great but created a mismatch with the satellite speakers, especially the center channel. I wanted to get the E56Ci center speaker and ES1010i sub but they were too expensive for me at regular price so I thought I'd wait for this year's Black Friday sale.

I was disappointed that there wasn't as big a discount on the center speaker but almost pulled the trigger on the center and sub anyways for $564 until I saw someone local who was trying to sell his home theater setup. The setup consist of an EMP E56Ci center, a ES1010i sub, a pair of E55Wi surround, a pair of E5Ti towers ( i don't really need), and a Pioneer SC-1222-K receiver(would be a big upgrade but i don't think I really need it.) I might be able to get it for around $700-800.

What do you guys think? Stick with the original plan and get the center and sub from EMP or go for the used setup?

Like I told blamekilly, it's a monster of a center, with 5 good drivers and a really nice cabinet. It's incredible that they're even at the price they are regularly, not to mention their BF sale prices. But when you have trickle down tech, drivers, cabinets from your mother company it's a little easier to still make a profit I'd assume. You picked up the e55's for next to nothing so you're still going to be WAAY ahead if you paid the BF price for the center.

Also, if you can get that setup for $700 then I would go for it.....only if you need it though. What size is the room you'll be listening in? Mainly movies, music or both? You could probably sell that sc1222k for half of what you paid for everything else pretty quickly.

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Originally Posted by Transmaniacon View Post

You could probably turn a profit selling the RW-12Ds and buying the e1010i pair cool.gif

I know..I'm really thinking about it. Honestly, there are times when I just want to buy a pair of LFM-1ex's, xs15's, pb12's, etc.....but then I realize that I really don't listen THAT much or watch that many movies quite yet. With a 4 month old it's hard to get a lot of free time, and when you do you're trying to be somewhat quiet lol. Once she's a little bigger and wants to watch movies or listen to some tunes with daddy then I'm thinking I'll go and buy some better, more powerful subs. As much as I'd like to grab a pair of nice, ID subs......I just don't think I'd use them enough to warrant them being more than double what I've already spent or would spend on the e1010i's ya know.

I found some SPL numbers for the e1010i on Audioholics. I wonder how it compares to the rw-12d. Might have to do some measurements today on mine

http://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-reviews/emptek-es1010i/emptek-es1010i-measurements
post #2186 of 3142
Yeah very understandable, I would love to grab a matching e1010i and replace my F-12, but I live in an apartment so hard to justify. Hopefully she learns to love good sound too! I remember Audioholics saying if the sub was corner-loaded it would be suitable for a medium sized room, but IIRC you have yours up front. It's too bad they don't have the free return shipping, would be a good shootout.
post #2187 of 3142
I know! I've told them I'll write up a review, take pictures, in room measurements, etc. That was early last week, but they haven't gotten back to me yet. Here's a chart I've put together that kind of like the data-bass one, but with some that aren't on there (aka..some of the lower budget one's lol. Still trying to find max spl numbers for the rw-12d





It's pretty obvious that building a pair of 18's or 15's for $800 or so would EASILY be the best route, but obviously you have to worry about finishing them....and I wouldn't know how to do that. Wouldn't 3m Di-Noc in gloss black be pretty cool though biggrin.gif:D
post #2188 of 3142
The EMP sub is hands down the best looking one of that bunch, and it seems to have a more gradual curve, so perhaps is less boomy and could end up being a good choice for music. The PA-150 really intrigues me though, you need to spend at least $500 to get lower extension, and probably $800 to get comparable output above 40Hz.

If you are just veneering a box, it really isn't all that difficult, gloss black takes some effort, buy DIY is probably the best path for performance/dollar.
post #2189 of 3142
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

I disagree. I had the e5ci center speaker with the e55ti towers and that center could not keep up. I went ahead and bought the e56ci center and it made a world of a difference! No joke, it was a BIG difference!

Blamekilly.....315 dollars is a good price for the e56ci. I remember when it was on sale for 450 dollars.

You are probably right. I would have ordered the big one if it fit in my furniture but, unfortunately it is too wide.
post #2190 of 3142
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Originally Posted by FMW View Post

You are probably right. I would have ordered the big one if it fit in my furniture but, unfortunately it is too wide.

Yeah that is one of the downsides, it's pretty massive. I plan on ordering one here shortly, but this means I will also have to wall mount my TV rolleyes.gif
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