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post #2401 of 3149
thank you FMW, good to know. i will enjoy what i have for now and that can sit on the back burner for a little. unfortunately, car repairs are a 'need!!'
post #2402 of 3149
ljmart, these speaker sound very good for music...but I think they absolutely excell for HT and there, you will want a sub!
post #2403 of 3149
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Originally Posted by Elihawk View Post

ljmart, these speaker sound very good for music...but I think they absolutely excell for HT and there, you will want a sub!

thanks eli! i won't wait too long... probably january ish. so its livable till then! lol
post #2404 of 3149
unless your room is huge, I would consider the EMP1010i sub.
1. It matches your towers and like them looks great. So many subs are just big UGLY black boxes!
2. I think it sounds better than most of the 300 dollar or below subs and maybe all of them. I have two Klipsch subs...the RW12D, a 12 inch sub and the Synergy, a 10 inch....and it sounds much better than either!.
3. So with the disclaimer than the only "expensive" subs that I have heard are the Rythmic LV and the SVS PB, I thought the EMP sub has impressive clarity! much less "boomy" that the Klipsch subs and IMHO, much more accurate!
post #2405 of 3149
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Originally Posted by Elihawk View Post

unless your room is huge, I would consider the EMP1010i sub.
1. It matches your towers and like them looks great. So many subs are just big UGLY black boxes!
2. I think it sounds better than most of the 300 dollar or below subs and maybe all of them. I have two Klipsch subs...the RW12D, a 12 inch sub and the Synergy, a 10 inch....and it sounds much better than either!.
3. So with the disclaimer than the only "expensive" subs that I have heard are the Rythmic LV and the SVS PB, I thought the EMP sub has impressive clarity! much less "boomy" that the Klipsch subs and IMHO, much more accurate!
yes i love the look of the matching emptek and true, most are ugly! in my searching i was previously looking at these...

http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-10-Inch-Monitor-Subwoofer/dp/B0002KVQBA/ref=pd_cp_e_0

http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-sub-1200-12-120-watt-powered-subwoofer--300-629

but would rather have one that matches my towers. my room is not large so your info is very helpful, i appreciate it!
post #2406 of 3149
I haven't heard either sub you linked, but most on this board say that Polk sub is not very good! However, it might be the best you can do for 100 bucks!
post #2407 of 3149
The Dayton sub gets a lot more love around here than the Polk.
post #2408 of 3149
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Originally Posted by Gmash View Post

The Dayton sub gets a lot more love around here than the Polk.

Not that Dayton sub.


If those two subs are the OP's choices, the Polk or that Dayton, skip both and get something you will not regret buying in the future. Best advice I can give you.
post #2409 of 3149
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Originally Posted by FMW View Post

The EMP towers are good to 40 hz .

No way! Only really expensive full range speakers are good that low. Speakers like Lagacy can handle that with authority!
post #2410 of 3149
According to audioholics review and testing, the emp tower have usable output down to 50hz, but not sure that was. +/- 3 db. It would be safe to say, however that they hit 60 hz w/o issue!
post #2411 of 3149

Glad to hear that! Can't wait to get mine. I'll be playing classical music for the most part. The lowest note of a 5 string double bass is around 30Hz. However, that is not a note that will be used very often, I don't think. In any case, waiting eagerly for them to ship my speakers! 

post #2412 of 3149
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

No way! Only really expensive full range speakers are good that low. Speakers like Lagacy can handle that with authority!

Why do you say that? When I play a 40hz test tone and measure the SPL it is 3db down from flat. Try it.
post #2413 of 3149
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

Not that Dayton sub.


If those two subs are the OP's choices, the Polk or that Dayton, skip both and get something you will not regret buying in the future. Best advice I can give you.

Right, the Dayton subs that get the love are the drivers people use in DIY subwoofer projects. You can even buy a kit but they are in the $500 to $700 range. Not exactly the same Daytons.
post #2414 of 3149
thanks all, some great info. confirms my thoughts... i will stick with emp tek sub when the cash allows!
post #2415 of 3149
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Originally Posted by ljmart View Post

thanks all, some great info. confirms my thoughts... i will stick with emp tek sub when the cash allows!
Definitely the best option of the subs listed.
post #2416 of 3149
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Originally Posted by FMW View Post

Why do you say that? When I play a 40hz test tone and measure the SPL it is 3db down from flat. Try it.
I have taken measurements with my Emps and they were not good at that frequency. 40hz is the bass you will feel in your chest ( tactical feeling) and the Emps do not have that or close to it. I have played them in a smaller room ( no measurements) and it did help out the bass. I think the Emps are great speakers but they do lack the bass. If they were full range, they would probably cost a lot more.


That being said, our rooms are different and you probably have a different response. My room is acoustically treated and I do not know if yours is or not.
post #2417 of 3149
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

Not that Dayton sub.


If those two subs are the OP's choices, the Polk or that Dayton, skip both and get something you will not regret buying in the future. Best advice I can give you.

I agree, but not many options out there if he was only budgeting $100 for a sub. Go without and save up for something decent would be my advice as well.
post #2418 of 3149
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Originally Posted by Gmash View Post

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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

Not that Dayton sub.


If those two subs are the OP's choices, the Polk or that Dayton, skip both and get something you will not regret buying in the future. Best advice I can give you.

I agree, but not many options out there if he was only budgeting $100 for a sub. Go without and save up for something decent would be my advice as well.

yes, exactly the new plan... thanks to everyones advice! skip the elcheapo hundred buck ones and save up for the emp tek. the others were really just the beginnings of the search. and the price was enticing! but the more you all check me, the smarter i become wink.gif
post #2419 of 3149
does the emptek sub at least perform better than the bic f12? i have the bic f12 and was planning to use it with the two towers i ordered on sale.
post #2420 of 3149
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

I have taken measurements with my Emps and they were not good at that frequency. 40hz is the bass you will feel in your chest ( tactical feeling) and the Emps do not have that or close to it. I have played them in a smaller room ( no measurements) and it did help out the bass. I think the Emps are great speakers but they do lack the bass. If they were full range, they would probably cost a lot more.


That being said, our rooms are different and you probably have a different response. My room is acoustically treated and I do not know if yours is or not.

They are full range when supported by a subwoofer. And they sound like high end speakers when they are.
post #2421 of 3149
Adding a sub makes you have full range but does not make your e55's full range.

And yes they sound excellent not only for their price but in general. I have not heard a better sounding speaker at its price point or a little above.

Also, if you have full range speakers, not only are they probably really expensive but you have to consider the cost of amps to power them as well. So the total price can climb high really fast.
post #2422 of 3149
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Originally Posted by Luisfc1972 View Post

does the emptek sub at least perform better than the bic f12? i have the bic f12 and was planning to use it with the two towers i ordered on sale.

I can't say 100%, but from a quick search of how the F12 compares to the RW-12d it seems the RW-12d is a much better sub. And if the e1010i from EMP seems to sound quite a bit better than the rw-12d to the 3 or 4 people that have compared it to the rw-12d, HSU, Dayton diy sub, etc then I would think the e1010i would be much better than the F12.
post #2423 of 3149
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

I have taken measurements with my Emps and they were not good at that frequency. 40hz is the bass you will feel in your chest ( tactical feeling) and the Emps do not have that or close to it. I have played them in a smaller room ( no measurements) and it did help out the bass. I think the Emps are great speakers but they do lack the bass. If they were full range, they would probably cost a lot more.

But at 40 HZ, you need to have them pumping out at 105db to get the equivalent sound of a 300-400HZ tone at 86db.

http://blogs.msdn.com/blogfiles/audiofool/WindowsLiveWriter/LouderSoundsBetter_12855/FletcherMunson_EqualLoudness2.jpg

And that would require a ton of power!
post #2424 of 3149
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Originally Posted by charmerci View Post

But at 40 HZ, you need to have them pumping out at 105db to get the equivalent sound of a 300-400HZ tone at 86db.

http://blogs.msdn.com/blogfiles/audiofool/WindowsLiveWriter/LouderSoundsBetter_12855/FletcherMunson_EqualLoudness2.jpg

And that would require a ton of power!
That was my point.
post #2425 of 3149
The second 1010 arrived yesterday. I have to say it makes a big difference. I'm struggling with the Yamaha auto setup. It does not seem to detect the sub when there are 2. It's an 873, about 3 years old. I manually added things back in and will try again today.
post #2426 of 3149
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Originally Posted by gregoryperkins View Post

The second 1010 arrived yesterday. I have to say it makes a big difference. I'm struggling with the Yamaha auto setup. It does not seem to detect the sub when there are 2. It's an 873, about 3 years old. I manually added things back in and will try again today.
Hmm that is strange. Maybe try splitting one of the sub outs instead if using both. Or unplug the original sub out and try it again to see if the second sub out is causing issues. I don't know, this is really strange.
post #2427 of 3149
No changes today and it calibrated just fine... The sub was detected. I just had to make the big speakers small and adjust the crossover. It set it at 160, maybe a bit too high? e5ti up front.
post #2428 of 3149
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Originally Posted by gregoryperkins View Post

No changes today and it calibrated just fine... The sub was detected. I just had to make the big speakers small and adjust the crossover. It set it at 160, maybe a bit too high? e5ti up front.

yes. 160 is too high. At that Fq. you will start to get male dialog out of your sub and you will be able to localize the sub.
post #2429 of 3149
I have the e5tis and have them crossed at 80 hz
post #2430 of 3149
Has anyone that ordered in December received their stuff yet? Hoping my e1010i's come in this week as I'll probably be away for a good portion of next week
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