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Pioneer DV-600 vs DV-610

post #1 of 28
12/29/08 at 6:25pm
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Does anyone know the differences between the two?
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post #2 of 28
1/25/09 at 7:03am
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anybody?
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post #3 of 28
2/23/09 at 9:51pm
Both DVD players use exact same chipset and DAC's:
ES29LV160EB-70TGI EEprom (faster version, there's also 90ns)
MT1389EXE DVD Processor (very good processor, not as good as Zoran!!!)
64MB RAM
PCM1742 DAC (X 3)
Capacitors are of very decent quality.
The PCB's are exactly the same.

DV600 has OLDER firmware - can be upgraded to the very latest 09_2008 version.
DV600 has better USB power routing - straight from the PS board - hence it should power up 2.5 HDD quicker / easier.
DV610 has marginally quicker RAM (5ns vs. 6ns) but this is negligible.

Everything else is exactly the same. I would go for 600 if cheaper AND if you know how to upgrade the firmware.

I have DV610; brilliant picture and up scaling, mediocre sound Supports only plain FAT format - therefore it can read from HDD / memory sticks no larger than 4GB. Or large HDD but with two partitions - first one will have to be only 4GB in size. The USB port powers up my 2.5 HDD without any problem. DivX looks fabulous. Very good ORION transport / laser as well!
Did I mention that the sound is really bad?

Zoran approach to DVD processing is the only one that will correctly read and display DivX files with AC3 sound tracks (!!!) Also, Zoran has sued MediaTek over copyrights issues.

I have Singer DVD player with Zoran processor - that thing will read absolutely everything - bit better than Media Tek.

Boky
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post #4 of 28
2/28/09 at 3:54am
How did you solve very small fonts in divx. Is there any firmware for dv610av?
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post #5 of 28
2/28/09 at 3:56am
How did you solve very small fonts in divx. Is there any firmware for dv610av?
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post #6 of 28
3/3/09 at 1:48am
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Originally Posted by Extreme_Boky View Post

Both DVD players use exact same chipset and DAC's:
ES29LV160EB-70TGI EEprom (faster version, there's also 90ns)
MT1389EXE DVD Processor (very good processor, not as good as Zoran!!!)
64MB RAM
PCM1742 DAC (X 3)
Capacitors are of very decent quality.
The PCB's are exactly the same.

DV600 has OLDER firmware - can be upgraded to the very latest 09_2008 version.
DV600 has better USB power routing - straight from the PS board - hence it should power up 2.5 HDD quicker / easier.
DV610 has marginally quicker RAM (5ns vs. 6ns) but this is negligible.

Everything else is exactly the same. I would go for 600 if cheaper AND if you know how to upgrade the firmware.

I have DV610; brilliant picture and up scaling, mediocre sound Supports only plain FAT format - therefore it can read from HDD / memory sticks no larger than 4GB. Or large HDD but with two partitions - first one will have to be only 4GB in size. The USB port powers up my 2.5 HDD without any problem. DivX looks fabulous. Very good ORION transport / laser as well!
Did I mention that the sound is really bad?

Zoran approach to DVD processing is the only one that will correctly read and display DivX files with AC3 sound tracks (!!!) Also, Zoran has sued MediaTek over copyrights issues.

I have Singer DVD player with Zoran processor - that thing will read absolutely everything - bit better than Media Tek.

Boky

so, not recommended for music?
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post #7 of 28
3/3/09 at 11:08am
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I am planning to connect it via HDMI and let the AV receiver handle the sound so I do not think it's an issue for me.

BTW Thx for the reply, cause I am still waiting for my DV-610 and I might get the DV-600 instead since last time I checked was 30 euros cheaper.
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post #8 of 28
3/11/09 at 12:00am
No, It sound very bad compared to Sony DVD players (or HDD / DVD recorders).

Boky
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post #9 of 28
3/11/09 at 3:42am
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Originally Posted by Extreme_Boky View Post

No, It sound very bad compared to Sony DVD players (or HDD / DVD recorders).

Boky

I bought the 610 couple of days ago, to be honnest I am very pleased with its sound. I don't know about the SONY DVD players. I used to have a PIONEER CDR (the 609), so to my ears 610 sounds better. Anyway.

By the way, what USB 2.5 HDD are you using?
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post #10 of 28
3/18/09 at 2:36am
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Originally Posted by Extreme_Boky View Post

Both DVD players use exact same chipset and DAC's:
ES29LV160EB-70TGI EEprom (faster version, there's also 90ns)
MT1389EXE DVD Processor (very good processor, not as good as Zoran!!!)
64MB RAM
PCM1742 DAC (X 3)
Capacitors are of very decent quality.
The PCB's are exactly the same.

DV600 has OLDER firmware - can be upgraded to the very latest 09_2008 version.
DV600 has better USB power routing - straight from the PS board - hence it should power up 2.5 HDD quicker / easier.
DV610 has marginally quicker RAM (5ns vs. 6ns) but this is negligible.

Everything else is exactly the same. I would go for 600 if cheaper AND if you know how to upgrade the firmware.

I have DV610; brilliant picture and up scaling, mediocre sound Supports only plain FAT format - therefore it can read from HDD / memory sticks no larger than 4GB. Or large HDD but with two partitions - first one will have to be only 4GB in size. The USB port powers up my 2.5 HDD without any problem. DivX looks fabulous. Very good ORION transport / laser as well!
Did I mention that the sound is really bad?

Zoran approach to DVD processing is the only one that will correctly read and display DivX files with AC3 sound tracks (!!!) Also, Zoran has sued MediaTek over copyrights issues.

I have Singer DVD player with Zoran processor - that thing will read absolutely everything - bit better than Media Tek.

Boky


What USB 2.5 HDD are you using? Do you know if a WD Passport could work with the player?
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post #11 of 28
3/18/09 at 11:18am
It does a good job converting Pal-to-NTSC and NTSC-to-Pal. It also produces a seamless layer change. I have a 2003/2004 model CyberHome CH DVD300 which uses a Zoran. Its Pal-to-NTSC and NTSC-to-Pal show converting artifacts, and its layer change is longer. Also, does anyone know of any Zoran-based players which pass SACD DSD signals via HDMI 1.2A? I'm not really into DivX, so maybe it depends on your requirements.
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post #12 of 28
5/2/09 at 9:50pm
Mediatek is superior to Zoran in many opinions including mine: faster layer changes, better NTSC->PAL conversion, better PQ (sharper, more controls of image, pillarboxing 4:3 tittles), better MPEG decoder, plays more media, better at DivX, easier to make region free. Zoran IMHO is the worst chipset of the group. Samsung, Toshiba, and Zenith usually have Zoran. Pioneer, Phillips, Sony, Oppo, LG, RCA usually have Mediatek.
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post #13 of 28
5/3/09 at 5:42am
For me on the 610 the sound is great. SACD DSD through my Denon sounds amazing and quite good.
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post #14 of 28
5/3/09 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by jsmiddleton4 View Post

For me on the 610 the sound is great. SACD DSD through my Denon sounds amazing and quite good.

If you're in AZ, wouldn't that mean you really have the Pioneer Elite DV-49AV? If you really have the DV-610AV, where and how did you get an imported model?
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post #15 of 28
5/3/09 at 12:22pm
Its all right here in this thread already Val.....


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1132462
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post #16 of 28
6/16/09 at 12:11pm
Has anyone in the US purchased a 600 or 610 from B&H or J&R? If so, by looking at the exterior packing, documents inside the box, etc., can you tell if either B&H or J&R got the players from Pioneer Europe, or from a place who does special mods? Also, if these players are designed for use in Europe, how are we Americans and Canadians supposed to power these babies? Do they come with the necessary AC plugs? Do we have to get special 110V-to-220V converters?
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post #17 of 28
6/17/09 at 5:15am
I think B&H gets them modded because the 600 they sell includes an 18-MB NTSC-to-Pal converter. I was originally going to spend $200 on a DV-49AV from Vanns or Abt, but for $130, I don't think a warranty is too important. Besides, the 610 and 49 are literally the same flesh and blood anyway! Hey ... I thought Japan was Region 2. Oh well ... But before I get one, I am still waiting for Hakan to get a DV-800AV/LX50/58AV so that maybe he will release one of those cool Smash the Mac enhanced firmwares for it and I'll be able to install it on my DV-58AV, Pioneer's best universal SD player to date!
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post #18 of 28
6/17/09 at 12:09pm
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Originally Posted by gpjnevada View Post

Yeah, an odd package.........Japanese user manual and overlays, European cord, and region 3......

Almost like it was meant to be played anywhere

The 610's are a real bargain without the modified FW. They're a steal with it!

Did it come with any kind of warranty card? If so, was it a Pioneer warranty card? If so, what country? If not, what company handles repairs, and what country are they stationed in?
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post #19 of 28
6/17/09 at 1:42pm
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Originally Posted by gpjnevada View Post

No warranty and Pioneer will not honor a warranty from an un-authorized seller. Even J&R, an authorized seller, states in their advertisement that a Pioneer USA warranty not valid with the 610.

I chose Buy.com because they do offer a marketplace guarantee: http://www.buy.com/toc/marketplace_b...Gurantee_Claim

A one year warranty is pretty short anyway and all good quality electronics that I've bought within the last 10 years have never failed. If they make it within 30 days, there's a good chance they'll surpass the warranty period. I have a $1500 Panasonic plasma that only offered a one year warranty. I am 2 years into it problem free but who knows..............

For $99, the risk wasn't high for me. But to say it's completely risk free would be wrong.

I am already aware that Pioneer's US branch won't honor their warranty on these players because they're not US models. I thought that maybe if a warranty card came with it, we'd know exactly where these players came from.
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post #20 of 28
7/25/09 at 2:53am
layer change speed has absolutely nothing to do with processor type....

Boky
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post #21 of 28
8/2/09 at 7:55pm
The player's USB port should handle sticks larger than 4GB.

I have a 410 and my USB stick is 8GB in size and I have no problems. And it is FAT 32.
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post #22 of 28
8/6/09 at 8:50am
Hello, I am about to buy the pioneer dv-610 but I have some questions about it for BOKY or anybody please:

1- When you mentioned a large hdd can be used but it needs to be partitioned and the first partition of 4gb: can I partition my 250gb external WD 2.5" passport, (it's portable, no power cord, draws power from usb), or do I need a hdd with external power?

2- Either way, do I just partition the hdd like I would the hdd in my computer I suppose. Does this mean that I can use the first partition of 4gb and the next partition of, let's say, 246gb?

3- does it read anything on the hdd, as in ISO movie files or vob movie files? or just divx, how about mp4, avi?

4- Would you recommend something better than this pioneer dv-610?

5- have you tried it with sacd? that was my original intention until I saw the usb and it stated it plays video computer files and not only upconverts them but upscales them. Is this correct?

Thanks guys.
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post #23 of 28
8/6/09 at 6:36pm
I have not hammered the USB stuff but can tell you the SACD sounds great.
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post #24 of 28
12/28/10 at 4:31am
The 610 handles DVD-A and SACD over HDMI, correct? My receiver does not have multi-channel analog inputs.
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post #25 of 28
1/2/11 at 9:03pm
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Originally Posted by QuiGonJosh View Post

The 610 handles DVD-A and SACD over HDMI, correct? My receiver does not have multi-channel analog inputs.

Yes I use it to for both formats with my marantz 8001 receiver (hdmi 1.2)
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post #26 of 28
10/22/11 at 1:11pm
Hi
Does anyone already tried to get SACD sound from 610AV via HDMI on Marantz SR5004?
I've already gave up.
Marantz (according to manual) can decode DSD via HDMI.
Pioneer 610AV (according to manual) can send DSD via HDMI.
Tried multiple times (including custom firmware for 610AV) - no luck.
Completely no sound.

Did I missed something?

STriderGT, you've mentioned, that you're using Pioneer with connection to Marantz. How did you connected/set-up both devices?

Thanks!
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post #27 of 28
10/23/11 at 8:26pm
What is your video resolution set to in the 610? If I recall correctly you can't push it too high and have dsd sacd output work.

I have SACD DSD via HDMI to my Denon 3808.
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post #28 of 28
10/24/11 at 12:54am
Side note: Not all receivers with HDMI inputs will decode DSD. Check the manual.
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