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post #1801 of 4963
Thanks shawn1. Is that with the stand from Vann's? The 31 1/32" seems to be for the TS02 mentioned in the manual. I might need to find myself the TS02.
post #1802 of 4963
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Originally Posted by g.mauriello View Post

Thanks shawn1. Is that with the stand from Vann's? The 31 1/32" seems to be for the TS02 mentioned in the manual. I might need to find myself the TS02.

The stand I just measured is the Pioneer PDK-TS23 from the forum sponsor whom I ordered from.
post #1803 of 4963
[quote=aross99;16323564]I ordered mine directly from Pioneer:



Ordered it today Thanks again

Douglas
post #1804 of 4963
Guys,

Thx for the feedback on the buzzing. I did check and power save 2 does limit the noise the most. Actually, the PQ is not compromised that much at all (you can see a difference with bright and/or white backgrounds).

Roberto,

Great post. My wife was acually noticed the buzzing more than I did. My ears are not what they used to be.

Time to enjoy the 600M......
post #1805 of 4963
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Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

...I also don't particularly like the placement of the HDMI ports. First it was hard to insert the cable (I had to physically push harder than I would have wanted) and the cable is almost cramped back there and has a little to much give for my liking (and I am using the thin, flexible tartan cables from bluejeans). You can tell the HDMI cable actually moves a little after you insert it.

Can anyone measure the height above the bottom of the 600M bezel to the HDMI connections? Also the distance from the side of the TV to the HDMI connections?

My current configuration has the HDMI wall plate at the upper right corner, just above the wall mount. I'm trying to decide if I will need to relocate these to just below the wall mount. I'm worried about having enough physical space to do a U-turn with the HDMI cable to connect to the upper right location on the wall.

I might end up installing a "scoop" plate near the Pio's conections, and just run a single continuous cable between the Pio and AV receiver.

Thanks in advance!
post #1806 of 4963
Turns out my panel is defective and needs to be swapped for a new one. A shame too because the picture quality is great. The judder on 3:3 pulldown or just regular 3:2 is unacceptable. News scrollers look like they have tourettes. Also the un-uniform picture with darker and lighter streaks across the panel is harder to notice, but once you see it you see it constantly. On to number 2.
post #1807 of 4963
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Originally Posted by mak99 View Post

Can anyone measure the height above the bottom of the 600M bezel to the HDMI connections? Also the distance from the side of the TV to the HDMI connections?

My current configuration has the HDMI wall plate at the upper right corner, just above the wall mount. I'm trying to decide if I will need to relocate these to just below the wall mount. I'm worried about having enough physical space to do a U-turn with the HDMI cable to connect to the upper right location on the wall.

I might end up installing a "scoop" plate near the Pio's connections, and just run a single continuous cable between the Pio and AV receiver.

Thanks in advance!

The inputs are 7 inches from the bottom but the HDMI cable mount up so if the connectors are long and the cable stiff, it takes some doing to go up. You can get right angle or stress relief HDMI adapters make the turn.

- Rich
post #1808 of 4963
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Originally Posted by elite-home View Post

make sure the 16-235 RGB is set properly while watching the Cable signal. you may have done this already.

I have the directv HR20-700. Is it possible to force this STB to output RGB 16-235? Couldn't find anything in the setup menu.

thx.
post #1809 of 4963
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Originally Posted by whityfrd View Post

Robert at VE is saying his stock will be replenished next week. im guessing first week of may is becuase your on the left coast?

I would be getting them first because they ship from the west coast. He may know something I do not. I do know warehouses will be replenished next week and then customer shipments will leave the warehouses as soon as they get in. Shipments could start to happen as early as the end of next week for west coast customers. East Coast shipments will most likley start the first week of May.

I will confirm with my distributors on an exact date. But, getting an exact date would makes things easy.
post #1810 of 4963
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Originally Posted by notoriousmatty View Post

Turns out my panel is defective and needs to be swapped for a new one. A shame too because the picture quality is great. The judder on 3:3 pulldown or just regular 3:2 is unacceptable. News scrollers look like they have tourettes. Also the un-uniform picture with darker and lighter streaks across the panel is harder to notice, but once you see it you see it constantly. On to number 2.

sorry your having issues but glad it was figured out and you'll be getting a new one soon. hope #2 arrives fast, no cracks, pixel perfect and no judder
post #1811 of 4963
whityfrd
East coast suppliers get product first always for Pioneer, this has been the case for many years.
post #1812 of 4963
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Originally Posted by -FuSioN- View Post

Hi YOTR,
I too ordered from vanns and will be receiving the stand as well. What was difficult about getting the stand on?
Also, this is my first plasma coming from a 47' Panny RPTV. How "apparent" and "annoying" is this kuro buzz? Would someone coming from no buzz be affected by it?

a newbie here. after reading about the 500m here for the last few days, I was sold that this would be a very cost effective way for me to have an awesome set for a while to come. can't wait to get mine.

At almost 7000 feet I have no buzz in my 500m.
As an aside, I've got 80 or 90 hours combined viewing and breakin DVD (Thanks EV) so I watched Dead Man's Chest with Elite-Home's pure settings (I use a PIO BVD 51) and found the green to be a little strong as has been reported previously on this thread, so I need more breakin time. That said, the other, very scientific evaluation I would like to share is WOW! What a great display.
post #1813 of 4963
Guys I've searched for 30 minutes and can't seem to find the correct break in settings for my new 600M. I'm dying to get this thing going but I'm not sure which break-in settings I need to be using. Any help would be appreciated.
post #1814 of 4963
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Originally Posted by trav34 View Post

Guys I've searched for 30 minutes and can't seem to find the correct break in settings for my new 600M. I'm dying to get this thing going but I'm not sure which break-in settings I need to be using. Any help would be appreciated.

Use D-Nice's break-in settings for the 151 (with the solid color slides only) from the 1st page of the 9G settings thread.
post #1815 of 4963
10-4. I've got the break in started. Leaving the mother-in-law in charge for a long weekend. hopefully the break in will be 1/2 finished when I get back in town.
post #1816 of 4963
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Originally Posted by ROMAN O View Post

whityfrd
East coast suppliers get product first always for Pioneer, this has been the case for many years.

thanks. alex doesent seem to agree and what you stated is what ive heard in the past. who knows?
post #1817 of 4963
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Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

Well on all of the Pioneer plasmas I have owned (5080 and 5020), the stand slid down on Plasma itself (actual holes inside the plasma that the metal pipes went down through). This way you could effectively lower the plasma onto the stand. With the 500m, you have to lay the plasma face down on a surface (scared me the entire time......lol) and then bolt the stand to the outside of the plasma on the back. Not a huge deal but kind of a pain.

The buzzing is subjective. Do I hear it when I am right up on the plasma looking behind it? Yes definitely. Do I hear it from my viewing distance? After listening again I can hear a very subtle buzzing with no sound on at all. It fluctuates depending on what color is on the screen. You can alleviate this if you change the power save mode. Save mode 2 actually almost eliminates the buzzing entirely but it does darken the screen slightly. I haven't had a Kuro that doesn't buzz yet. This is the worst offender out of the four I have had but I want to stress that it is minor. It is a little worse than my 5020 that I sold but not a deal breaker. All plasma's tend to buzz somewhat but Pioneer is known to do it way more than others. I had a tech out with my 5080 about a year ago but usually the buzzing can't be fixed. It can be reduced but usually not by much.

Bottom line, don't be worried about the stand and don't obsess over the buzzing .

Thanks YOTR.
post #1818 of 4963
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Originally Posted by chrisherbert View Post

If you're just getting 40 ftl, why not just use Pure?

I am. At first Pure seemed a little dim and didn't have the pop that I was expecting, but in time I have gotten used to it and it is very easy on the eyes. I have a dark room which works well for the 33-34fL I am getting with a calibrated Pure. I know others here are in need of a calibrated Standard mode. They probably have bright rooms and need the extra pop that Standard gives. I'll shoot for 42-45 fL and see what I can do tonight.

Thanks
post #1819 of 4963
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Originally Posted by PBJunior2 View Post

I am. At first Pure seemed a little dim and didn't have the pop that I was expecting, but in time I have gotten used to it and it is very easy on the eyes. I have a dark room which works well for the 33-34fL I am getting with a calibrated Pure. I know others here are in need of a calibrated Standard mode. They probably have bright rooms and need the extra pop that Standard gives. I'll shoot for 42-45 fL and see what I can do tonight.

Cant wait to see what you come up with. Thanks!
post #1820 of 4963
I'm not sure why my post from yesterday was deleted...but for those wanting to become owners of KRP in Canada...

here's the answer I got for Pioneer Canada
"Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics of Canada

The model we will be having for sure in Canada is the 60" KRP-600M.
We don't know yet which store is going to be carrying it, we will have a desicion very soon.
We are not sure what the marketing department is going to decide if they are bringing the KRP-500M into Canada or not.

Pioneer Electronics of Canada, Inc.
300 Allstate Parkway
Markham, Ontario
L3R 0P2
1-866-562-7093
directsales@pioneerelectronics.ca"
post #1821 of 4963
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

The inputs are 7 inches from the bottom but the HDMI cable mount up so if the connectors are long and the cable stiff, it takes some doing to go up. You can get right angle or stress relief HDMI adapters make the turn.

- Rich

Rich - thanks! Did you by chance measure from the edge of the panel to the HDMI connections? This would tell me where to cut a new hole in the wall horizontally.

FWIW, I am hesitant to use the stress relief cables only due to my current setup which seems to give me noticeable HDMI sparkles/dropouts. These are fairly noticeable during the opening scene of The Dark Knight, using a Pio BDP-51FD Blu-ray player. I also notice when using my Toshiba HD-XA2 (tested w/ Corpse Bride last night). Below is the HDMI chain from my amp to my Hitachi:

Pio BD player =>
HDMI cable =>

Onkyo =>
HDMI cable =>
lower wall plate with stress relief =>
HDMI cable inside wall =>
upper wall plate with stress relief =>
HDMI cable =>
TV


As I was readying my current TV for removal off the bracket tonight, last night I plugged the HDMI cable straight from the Onkyo to the TV, and the sparkles/dropouts pretty much disappeared. So my preference with the Pio would be to have a minimum # of connections between Onkyo and Pio.

My external HDMI cables are Monoprice 28ga, the internal wall HDMI cable is BJC Series 2. My two dual-HDMI wall plates are also from Monoprice.

Any other suggestions for HDMI cables to prevent sparkles/dropouts??
post #1822 of 4963
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Originally Posted by mak99 View Post

My external HDMI cables are Monoprice 28ga, the internal wall HDMI cable is BJC Series 2. My two dual-HDMI wall plates are also from Monoprice.

Any other suggestions for HDMI cables to prevent sparkles/dropouts??

There are these

http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/15/t...gnets-blink-w/

That use magnets to make a secure connection, like with Apple's MagSafe power connection for their laptops.

But they do not appear to be shipping yet and prices are unknown.
post #1823 of 4963
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Originally Posted by TPnBobcats View Post

There are these

http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/15/t...gnets-blink-w/

That use magnets to make a secure connection, like with Apple's MagSafe power connection for their laptops.

But they do not appear to be shipping yet and prices are unknown.

Thanks, though not sure about these. My current cables seem to have a good, tight fit to the connectors. I just think I have too many connections, which might add up to the noticeable sparkles...

My quest continues - now just have to wait for the Pio...
post #1824 of 4963
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Originally Posted by mak99 View Post

Thanks, though not sure about these. My current cables seem to have a good, tight fit to the connectors. I just think I have too many connections, which might add up to the noticeable sparkles...

My quest continues - now just have to wait for the Pio...

You might want to try wrapping the cable in some alumninum foil to see if you are getting some electromagnetic interference. Perhaps the shielding isn't sufficient?
post #1825 of 4963
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Originally Posted by TPnBobcats View Post

You might want to try wrapping the cable in some alumninum foil to see if you are getting some electromagnetic interference. Perhaps the shielding isn't sufficient?

Well, both BJC and Monoprice cables are highly recommended on the Forums, and I've been happy with these for the most part - been using BJC for years. Just seems that I've recently noticed the sparkles, but maybe they've been there all along and I'm just looking more closely at the PQ.

Sorry to stray off the KRP Owners topic...
post #1826 of 4963
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Originally Posted by whityfrd View Post

thanks. alex doesent seem to agree and what you stated is what ive heard in the past. who knows?

I was just stating the facts I received from my distributor. There CA warehouses are being supplied first, then Ohio and then New York.
post #1827 of 4963
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Originally Posted by mak99 View Post

Well, both BJC and Monoprice cables are highly recommended on the Forums, and I've been happy with these for the most part - been using BJC for years. Just seems that I've recently noticed the sparkles, but maybe they've been there all along and I'm just looking more closely at the PQ.

Sorry to stray off the KRP Owners topic...

I'm not knocking them for quality, it's entirely possible that you have something that is generating an unusual amount of EMI.
post #1828 of 4963
I have a new 500M NA model and Pioneer BDP-51FD.

While the setting posted here are a great start I would like to get the most out of this set I can with a modest DIY approach. I have been doing my own feeble calibrating starting back in 2001 on an Elite 610, then a Pioneer PDP-425CMX and a couple of LCDs.

What would be the recommendation of a sub $300 bundle of software and hardware to use in getting this calibrated?

I already have Get Gray, AVSHD 709.

Thanks
post #1829 of 4963
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Originally Posted by mak99 View Post

Rich - thanks! Did you by chance measure from the edge of the panel to the HDMI connections? This would tell me where to cut a new hole in the wall horizontally.

FWIW, I am hesitant to use the stress relief cables only due to my current setup which seems to give me noticeable HDMI sparkles/dropouts. These are fairly noticeable during the opening scene of The Dark Knight, using a Pio BDP-51FD Blu-ray player. I also notice when using my Toshiba HD-XA2 (tested w/ Corpse Bride last night). Below is the HDMI chain from my amp to my Hitachi:

Pio BD player =>
HDMI cable =>

Onkyo =>
HDMI cable =>
lower wall plate with stress relief =>
HDMI cable inside wall =>
upper wall plate with stress relief =>
HDMI cable =>
TV


As I was readying my current TV for removal off the bracket tonight, last night I plugged the HDMI cable straight from the Onkyo to the TV, and the sparkles/dropouts pretty much disappeared. So my preference with the Pio would be to have a minimum # of connections between Onkyo and Pio.

My external HDMI cables are Monoprice 28ga, the internal wall HDMI cable is BJC Series 2. My two dual-HDMI wall plates are also from Monoprice.

Any other suggestions for HDMI cables to prevent sparkles/dropouts??

I measured from the bottom of the display to the HDMI connector.
I am running a 40'ft Monoprice HDMI cable it worked fine directly from the TiVo and through the DVDO edge to the 600M.

I am also running a 35'ft Monoprice cable to a 500M with no problems. I would be a bit weary of the extra connections. On the 500M, I used a short stress relief cable to make the turn.

Here are the product links:

40 foot HDMI cable

Stress Relief cable

Power Box and cable plate

By using the PowerBox and cable wall plate, I avoid two additional connections.



- Rich
post #1830 of 4963
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Originally Posted by parkgt View Post

I have a new 500M NA model and Pioneer BDP-51FD.

While the setting posted here are a great start I would like to get the most out of this set I can with a modest DIY approach. I have been doing my own feeble calibrating starting back in 2001 on an Elite 610, then a Pioneer PDP-425CMX and a couple of LCDs.

What would be the recommendation of a sub $300 bundle of software and hardware to use in getting this calibrated?

I already have Get Gray, AVSHD 709.

Thanks

I've looked quite a bit at this and unfortunately I don't think there is an acceptable light meter for the Kuros available for under $300. I think your best bet would be to stretch to $475 and get the Chroma5 meter with CalMAN software from turbe on this forum. Link to his site:
http://www.controlcal.com/forum/anno....php?f=12&a=11

Short of that, I don't think you can be very confident in your measurements and are probably better off using settings from D-Nice or others with good meters.
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