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post #61 of 4963
2/27/09 at 6:32am
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Originally Posted by Roberto View Post

I'll just be happy if it arrives in one piece. I previously ordered a 6020 and it arrived with a completely shattered screen. But maybe that was fate's way of telling me to get the 600M

So once I get it, how do it tell if it supports the ISFccc Interface? Do I have to load something like ControlCal on my laptop and hook it up through the RS232 port?

Eagerly waiting for your report back. Thanks.

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post #62 of 4963
2/27/09 at 6:43am
Fantastic news. I have been waiting for someone to get this thing. PLEASE keep us posted on what it has and does not have. I am very interested in what you find. Thanks!
post #63 of 4963
2/27/09 at 7:59am
I just downloaded the operating manual and I am studying it now. This seems to be a poor man "Signature" because it has the Elite "Pure" mode. Hopefully there will be more info. and interest on this one.
post #64 of 4963
2/27/09 at 10:34am
I just finished reading up the KRP-600M manual and when compared with the Pro-141fd (Signature Elite), it has a lot of very similar functions. What particular interesting is in page 69, it is showing the screen shot of an IP control settings (which looks exactly the same as the Signature Elite) and have a menu item of "ISF". I am just wondering what it was and could it be ISFccc mode? (Actually I have no idea what exactly is ISFccc mode but I posted a thread to ask ) But the ISFccc seems to be a good thing to have.
post #65 of 4963
2/27/09 at 10:48am
Thread Starter 
Here you go:

Understanding the Pioneer 9G ISFccc Interface

This is in regards to the vs KRP-M outside of North America:
9G Signature Elite Monitors / 9G KRP-M Differences


From what I've been told, the NA KRP-M's will not have the ISFccc Interface, the Standard AV Selections will be the same as the KRP-M's outside of NA.
post #66 of 4963
2/27/09 at 11:21am
Thought I'd jump in to say that I will be eagerly watching this post. I just ordered a 600M today. I have been heavily researching this unit and also talked to a dealer who has installed 5 of them. He said very little difference between them and the signature elites. Unfortunately, I didn't ask him about calibration, but he seemed quite happy with the installs and overall product.

I can't believe how far the prices have dropped - I got one for about the same price as the panasonic 58's...

Hopefully more will jump on board and we can all learn from each other.
post #67 of 4963
2/27/09 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by mlb11 View Post

Thought I'd jump in to say that I will be eagerly watching this post. I just ordered a 600M today. I have been heavily researching this unit and also talked to a dealer who has installed 5 of them. He said very little difference between them and the signature elites. Unfortunately, I didn't ask him about calibration, but he seemed quite happy with the installs and overall product.

I can't believe how far the prices have dropped - I got one for about the same price as the panasonic 58's...

Hopefully more will jump on board and we can all learn from each other.

Please post impressions and let us know if you can get the ISF menus to show up.

- Rich
post #68 of 4963
2/27/09 at 12:17pm
The M series only have 2 HDMI but it also has one DVI-D (with DHCP). Does anyone know what's the difference between HDMI 1.3 and DVI-D w/ DHCP? In the old days, you can get a HDMI to DVI-D cable and no problem except no sound. What about HDMI 1.3? Does that hook-up still works?
post #69 of 4963
2/27/09 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by ndisgii View Post

Are you sure about that? I was quoted about the same as the 151, and if it has the ISFccc, it would be a viable option IMO. Have you seen these pics of the KRP-500A poster by user "M5ster". I believe they are a bit above the 5020/6020 IMO. I have never seen anything like before in my life. His pictures start on this page about half way down, and he keeps posting up until now, with more rediculous images. They are stunning:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...20011&page=109

But even by your words they would be slightly hampered 9g elites at elite pricing...so why would anyone want one?
Did I miss something?
A slightly stripped signature elite that cost as much as an elite?
Why not get the superior elite then?
post #70 of 4963
2/27/09 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

But even by your words they would be slightly hampered 9g elites at elite pricing...so why would anyoen want one.
Did I miss something?

Here is their ranking and thinking about these units And not to go into pricing but its obvious by my list below the order of pricing as well.

NON-ELITE
then

KRP

and then
ELITE
post #71 of 4963
2/27/09 at 12:24pm
I think about the KRP as the "poor" man "Signature" with more control than the Non-Elite but less than the Elite and Signature.
post #72 of 4963
2/27/09 at 12:27pm
But with almost the same price tag as the superior elite/sig. no?
Any design difference that makes these sexier looking?
I must be missing something here.
post #73 of 4963
2/27/09 at 12:29pm
its not the same pricing they know what they are doing Well in this case
Also the KRP's are very new here they are just starting to show from shipments from Japan this week.
post #74 of 4963
2/27/09 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

But even by your words they would be slightly hampered 9g elites at elite pricing...so why would anyone want one?
Did I miss something?
A slightly stripped signature elite that cost as much as an elite?
Why not get the superior elite then?

If it has ISFccc, then I would assume it is the same as the 151FD for the most part, but I could be wrong on that. And if it is the same as the 151FD, I believe it is actually cheaper, hence me stating that it is a good alternative IMO. I dont know what the 151's are going for at the moment, I was quoted $4600 for a 600 about 2 months ago. And according to one of the above posters, the prices on the 600 may have even dropped further. I dont know??
post #75 of 4963
2/27/09 at 12:32pm
I just was provided a link privately to a site with some info and pricing.
I have abruptly changed my viewpoint and might try one.....but that site I don't think is an authorized dealer....any authorized guys have some or better yet forum sponsors?
post #76 of 4963
2/27/09 at 12:34pm
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

I just was provided a link privately to a site with some info and pricing.
I have abruptly changed my viewpoint and might try one.....but that site I don't think is an authorized dealer....any authorized guys have some or better yet forum sponsors?

Can you PM me the link. Thanks!
post #77 of 4963
2/27/09 at 12:34pm
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

But with almost the same price tag as the superior elite/sig. no?
Any design difference that makes these sexier looking?
I must be missing something here.

I thinik it has the 141 sleekness.

With ISF modes and Elite Anti-glare it would be a no-brainer.
Without ISF modes, it is a tough decision.

What you are missing is price

- Rich
post #78 of 4963
2/27/09 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

But with almost the same price tag as the superior elite/sig. no?
Any design difference that makes these sexier looking?
I must be missing something here.

Check mlb11's post closely. Notice, in particular, his price comparison.

Now go price a 6020, 151 and 141. You'll see the difference quickly. Heck, go price a 58" Panasonic 11UK monitor for that matter.

In fact, as soon as I saw his post, I PM'd him for details. If he is accurate, that is a STEAL. Sounds like the KRP-600M might be the place to be to get a 60" Kuro.
post #79 of 4963
2/27/09 at 12:40pm
I have learned more and now searching for authorized dealers that have them and trying to get quotes shipped.
So anyone that buys one from an authorized dealer for a good price I'd appreciate a PM.
Even better if it is a seller that offers financing.
post #80 of 4963
2/27/09 at 12:53pm
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Originally Posted by mkoesel View Post

Sounds like the KRP-600M might be the place to be to get a 60" Kuro.

I agree its a mid point between Elites and non.
post #81 of 4963
2/27/09 at 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

I thinik it has the 141 sleekness.

With ISF modes and Elite Anti-glare it would be a no-brainer.
Without ISF modes, it is a tough decision.

What you are missing is price

- Rich

According to turbe and D-Nice (just got his PM), no ISFccc mode and I am taking it as NO ISFccc mode.
post #82 of 4963
2/27/09 at 1:51pm
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Originally Posted by mkoesel View Post

If Pioneer made 5020/6020 monitor equivalent (that sold for 5020/6020 pricing) I'd seriously consider one.

Now that my earlier wish has become a reality (and then some!) I am really, really starting to consider one of these. I currently have a 50" Panasonic 7UY which cost me well above what these 60" Pioneer monitors are now going for. I had resided myself to waiting for Panasonic to come out with a 58" 1080p monitor at this price (or lower), but wouldn't you know Pioneer beat them to it. Very, very, VERY tempting.

I assume the KRPs have the same web server/email functionality as the 101/141?
post #83 of 4963
2/27/09 at 2:06pm
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Originally Posted by mkoesel View Post

I assume the KRPs have the same web server/email functionality as the 101/141?

According to the Manual of the 600M Page 66-73, it seems to have that function very similar to the 101/141.
post #84 of 4963
2/27/09 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by ROMAN O View Post

I agree its a mid point between Elites and non.

Actually its below the Non from a $ perspective.
post #85 of 4963
2/27/09 at 3:36pm
I saw these a few days ago and was hoping to hear about these some more before I bought one. However, it seems that I'm not the only one interested now. I didn't want to jump the gun, but it looks like these may become in high demand and may eitehr deplete stock or drive up price, neither is good.

The main things that concern me are what does it truly lack. No speakers, no tv tuner, no stand and what else? I could care less if it does not have ISF mode or whatever, "pure" and the other standard picture adjustments will be good enough for me. Mostly the problem is I may need some of those features that are lacking so buying them separate may jump up the price too much. I need a stand and probably a tv tuner, do they even sell these separate? If so at what price?
post #86 of 4963
2/27/09 at 4:38pm
OK, so since it does not have the ISFccc (that really sucks by the way), what we need is a complete breakdown comparison, such as a graph or something, that compares the 6020, 151, and 600M. I am very curious as to what it may have or be missing compared to the others. Does this have the glare filter/coating like the 151? I am ready to buy now, but want to make sure I dont make a mistake. I am also curious if any calibrator has had their hands on one of these North American ones yet, just to get input on black levels and greyscales and such compared to the others as well. Thanks!
post #87 of 4963
2/27/09 at 7:21pm
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Originally Posted by NateTTU View Post

I saw these a few days ago and was hoping to hear about these some more before I bought one. However, it seems that I'm not the only one interested now. I didn't want to jump the gun, but it looks like these may become in high demand and may eitehr deplete stock or drive up price, neither is good.

The main things that concern me are what does it truly lack. No speakers, no tv tuner, no stand and what else? I could care less if it does not have ISF mode or whatever, "pure" and the other standard picture adjustments will be good enough for me. Mostly the problem is I may need some of those features that are lacking so buying them separate may jump up the price too much. I need a stand and probably a tv tuner, do they even sell these separate? If so at what price?

From the information I have gathered so far, the stand is KRP-TS01 (the same as the signature elite) MSRP$400; the speaker systems is KRP-S02 (signature elite does not have built-in amp so no speakers) MSRP$550; No tuner for sure because it is considered a monitor. So if you need any of those features, you are better off with the 6020fd or Pro-151.

One interesting discovery is the PDP replacement parts is the same for 600M, 151 and 141. (Part no.:AWU1347) I don't know does it means it is better or have more anti-reflective coating or anything than the 6020fd PDP screen (AWU1346). Hope those findings help.
post #88 of 4963
2/27/09 at 7:57pm
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Originally Posted by heatwave3 View Post

Actually its below the Non from a $ perspective.

Huh? Oh ...the 60" one.
The 500m is more than the 5020 by a fair amount...seems the 600m is the deal.
post #89 of 4963
2/27/09 at 8:10pm
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Originally Posted by SoSo View Post

One interesting discovery is the PDP replacement parts is the same for 600M, 151 and 141. (Part no.:AWU1347) I don't know does it means it is better or have more anti-reflective coating or anything than the 6020fd PDP screen (AWU1346). Hope those findings help.

I didn't even know the Elites had a different anti-reflective coating than the xx20s. But your part finding is exciting -- it really suggests the 600M is a lot closer to the Elites than to the xx20s.
post #90 of 4963
2/27/09 at 8:25pm
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Originally Posted by Roberto View Post

I didn't even know the Elites had a different anti-reflective coating than the xx20s. But your part finding is exciting -- it really suggests the 600M is a lot closer to the Elites than to the xx20s.

Yes. It looks like the X00M's are an Elite with two HDMI inputs, Same Anti-glare. Pure mode with all the trimmings. Probably no ISF modes.

Better logo (IMHO). Never liked to golder look.

- Rich
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