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post #241 of 354
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Originally Posted by James A. McGahee View Post

Thanks cranky member.

It's my understanding that Samsung BR players keep subtitles on the screen in the anamorphic 2:35 mode.

These players shift the bit mapped STs on a DVD up by about 10%. They will not shift STs on a BD. Therefore films like the STAR WARS saga and the LOTR trilogy will now have the STs in the picture on DVD.
post #242 of 354
Thread Starter 
Hey Mark, First, thanks again for handling this thread for me. I hope I can pick back up with it really soon.

I have a question for you regarding the Star Wars and LOTR films on DVD. I discussed this earlier in this thread but with my system (currently an Escient DVDM100 and 3 Sony ES 400 disc changers), the Star Wars films all show the subs IN the picture area. I haven't tried LOTR since I switched projectors so I can't comment on that. Why are the subs CIH safe on some players but not others? Any ideas? Take care.
post #243 of 354
How about the new Star Trek? Planning to watch that tomorrow night. Don't see it listed in the first post and search returned nothing. TIA
post #244 of 354
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Originally Posted by TSHA222 View Post

Hey Mark, First, thanks again for handling this thread for me. I hope I can pick back up with it really soon.

I have a question for you regarding the Star Wars and LOTR films on DVD. I discussed this earlier in this thread but with my system (currently an Escient DVDM100 and 3 Sony ES 400 disc changers), the Star Wars films all show the subs IN the picture area. I haven't tried LOTR since I switched projectors so I can't comment on that. Why are the subs CIH safe on some players but not others? Any ideas? Take care.

Are these DVD or BD players? It seems Blu-ray players shift the STs up by about 10%. They also H-Squeeze 4 x 3 discs so that everything is compatible with 16:9 screens, which of course means CIH friendly as well.

I have old screen caps from Star Wars Ep 4 with Jabba where I used V-Stretch to shift the STs, then when I upgraded to BD found that the player moved these automatically. I wish it was the case for BD Sts as well. Sadly, this is not the case due to a "protected video stream" for BD. DVD generally uses a bitmap, so re-location is easy. Those titles with STs burned in will not move, however, these STs are already in the picture - IE "True Lies" and "The Jackel".
post #245 of 354
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How about the new Star Trek? Planning to watch that tomorrow night. Don't see it listed in the first post and search returned nothing. TIA

I am pretty sure it is CIH freindly. I need to watch it again when Santa brings me a copy in about 3 days
post #246 of 354
Thread Starter 
My players in question are Sony standard 400 DVD changers. BTW - I added "Inglourious Basterds" to the "Subtitles In Picture" section of the first page. I just watched it and noticed it wasn't yet on the list.
post #247 of 354
Just watched the new Star Trek. There are no subtitles in the movie. So I guess that makes it CIH safe. LOL
post #248 of 354
You can add Angels & Demons BD to the sub out of picture list. At least I think you can. The Italian translation subs that are two lines are half in, half out. Watched on a Samsung BDP1500.
post #249 of 354
Inglourious Basterds - US Blu-Ray
English subtitles are CIH friendly (in picture)
post #250 of 354
Regarding the Oppo firmware version BDP83-48-1224
Has worked flawlessly for moving subtitles so far

I was using my region free Oppo primarily for Region B titles but now it also handles Region ABC CIH unfriendly subtitled movies!!!
post #251 of 354
The Class (Blu-Ray) - English subtitles are in the picture.
CIH safe
post #252 of 354
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Originally Posted by twodown View Post

The Class (Blu-Ray) - English subtitles are in the picture.
CIH safe

GREAT news. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!
post #253 of 354
THE INTERNATIONAL (BD) is listed as not having subtitles in the picture. Actually the first line is in the picture, so you only miss the text from mutiple line subtitles. Not ideal but better than not at all and watchable. And a great movie with outstanding video and audio!
post #254 of 354
And thankfully that second line of text is easily movable into the picture frame via OPPO.
post #255 of 354
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Originally Posted by helmsman View Post

THE INTERNATIONAL (BD) is listed as not having subtitles in the picture. Actually the first line is in the picture, so you only miss the text from mutiple line subtitles. Not ideal but better than not at all and watchable.

I don't see how that's better. Whether you're missing one line or both, you still can't read the dialogue. You're not going to be able to follow the story with only half of every sentence on screen. Any subtitles in the black bar makes a movie unwatchable on a CIH screen.
post #256 of 354
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Originally Posted by John Ballentine View Post

And thankfully that second line of text is easily movable into the picture frame via OPPO.

Not everyone has an OPPO. This thread is still needed until the studios learn to author their discs properly.
post #257 of 354
Agreed the studios need to author their discs properly - but at this point (and given the low cost) - I can't imagine having a CIH set-up and not having an OPPO (as the subtitle dilemma kept me away from CIH set-up for several years.)
post #258 of 354
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I don't see how that's better. Whether you're missing one line or both, you still can't read the dialogue. You're not going to be able to follow the story with only half of every sentence on screen. Any subtitles in the black bar makes a movie unwatchable on a CIH screen.

One line missing is better than both lines missing because with one line missing you can at least see that the subtitles exist, so you know right away to move them up (if your player can) or to turn off the vertical stretch. In other words, if both lines are missing, it might take you longer to realize that you are missing the subtitles.
post #259 of 354
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Well, if they're burned into the image, then obviously they wouldn't be able to be moved.

However, I don't know of any Blu-rays (and hardly any DVDs) with subtitles burned in to the letterbox bar. Burned-in subs are usually taken from a film element or theatrical print, and thus would be in the movie image and CIH safe.

Subtitles in the letterbox are almost always player-generated, and should be movable with the right player.



When the new firmware is officially released, we can start a new thread specific to the Oppo player.

Looking for a technical explanation for how subtitles are implemented on BDs. It was always my impression that they were part of the image area but I guess that they aren't if they can be moved. Are they a separate bitfile (like the audio streams) encoded along with the image that the player can process separately?
post #260 of 354
Subtitles are a separate file, yes. That's how a disc can have multiple different subtitles languages.
post #261 of 354
All subtitles in the picture. And a good movie and Blu-Ray release too!
post #262 of 354
Johnny Mad Dog (Blu-Ray) - French Import (& region free).
English subtitles are in the picture....CIH safe
post #263 of 354
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by John Ballentine View Post

Agreed the studios need to author their discs properly - but at this point (and given the low cost) - I can't imagine having a CIH set-up and not having an OPPO (as the subtitle dilemma kept me away from CIH set-up for several years.)

I have to agree with Josh. You shouldn't have to buy a specific BD player just to be able to shift subs. I came up with my own solution by backing up all of my BDs and playing the files through a media player. By coincidence, the subs of the backed up titles are ALL in the picture area.

Of course, this isn't ideal either since you shouldn't have to buy a hardware media player and hard drives just to watch your subtitled content.

Anyway - this is on the studios now. They need to get with the program.
post #264 of 354
Coco Before Chanel (Blu-ray). Subtitles in the letterbox bar. So much for Sony changing their policy.
post #265 of 354
Sony forced me to pick up an Oppo because of this and I can't thank them enough.
post #266 of 354
2012 (Blu-ray). Subtitles in the letterbox bar.
post #267 of 354
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Originally Posted by J.Skovgaard View Post

2012 (Blu-ray). Subtitles in the letterbox bar.

Ugggh, yup, subtitles are in both picture and letterbox and the Oppo couldn't fix it on this one.
Way to go Sony! Glad you took our feedback and changed your policy in regards to subtitles in the letterbox area.
post #268 of 354
I had no trouble moving the subtitles to within the picture unfortunately. What a turd of a movie IMHO.
post #269 of 354
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Originally Posted by Tom Monahan View Post

What a turd of a movie IMHO.

Exactly and it is not on my wish list. The best part of this film is the trailer
post #270 of 354
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Originally Posted by Tom Monahan View Post

I had no trouble moving the subtitles to within the picture unfortunately. What a turd of a movie IMHO.

Yeah, the movie is a stinker but I'm watching for A/V reasons only. You moved the subs with an Oppo BD83? How? I tried holding down the subtitle button for 3 seconds and the OSD came up, when I moved it up and down, nothing changed.
It's actually the first time I've tried to use the feature; did I do something wrong?
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