Cih subtitle master thread - Page 9

These players shift the bit mapped STs on a DVD up by about 10%. They will not shift STs on a BD. Therefore films like the STAR WARS saga and the LOTR trilogy will now have the STs in the picture on DVD.

How about the new Star Trek? Planning to watch that tomorrow night. Don't see it listed in the first post and search returned nothing. TIA

Are these DVD or BD players? It seems Blu-ray players shift the STs up by about 10%. They also H-Squeeze 4 x 3 discs so that everything is compatible with 16:9 screens, which of course means CIH friendly as well.

I have old screen caps from Star Wars Ep 4 with Jabba where I used V-Stretch to shift the STs, then when I upgraded to BD found that the player moved these automatically. I wish it was the case for BD Sts as well. Sadly, this is not the case due to a "protected video stream" for BD. DVD generally uses a bitmap, so re-location is easy. Those titles with STs burned in will not move, however, these STs are already in the picture - IE "True Lies" and "The Jackel".

I am pretty sure it is CIH freindly. I need to watch it again when Santa brings me a copy in about 3 days

Just watched the new Star Trek. There are no subtitles in the movie. So I guess that makes it CIH safe. LOL

You can add Angels & Demons BD to the sub out of picture list. At least I think you can. The Italian translation subs that are two lines are half in, half out. Watched on a Samsung BDP1500.

Inglourious Basterds - US Blu-Ray
English subtitles are CIH friendly (in picture)

Regarding the Oppo firmware version BDP83-48-1224
Has worked flawlessly for moving subtitles so far

I was using my region free Oppo primarily for Region B titles but now it also handles Region ABC CIH unfriendly subtitled movies!!!

The Class (Blu-Ray) - English subtitles are in the picture.
CIH safe

GREAT news. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!

THE INTERNATIONAL (BD) is listed as not having subtitles in the picture. Actually the first line is in the picture, so you only miss the text from mutiple line subtitles. Not ideal but better than not at all and watchable. And a great movie with outstanding video and audio!

And thankfully that second line of text is easily movable into the picture frame via OPPO.

I don't see how that's better. Whether you're missing one line or both, you still can't read the dialogue. You're not going to be able to follow the story with only half of every sentence on screen. Any subtitles in the black bar makes a movie unwatchable on a CIH screen.

Not everyone has an OPPO. This thread is still needed until the studios learn to author their discs properly.

Agreed the studios need to author their discs properly - but at this point (and given the low cost) - I can't imagine having a CIH set-up and not having an OPPO (as the subtitle dilemma kept me away from CIH set-up for several years.)

One line missing is better than both lines missing because with one line missing you can at least see that the subtitles exist, so you know right away to move them up (if your player can) or to turn off the vertical stretch. In other words, if both lines are missing, it might take you longer to realize that you are missing the subtitles.

Looking for a technical explanation for how subtitles are implemented on BDs. It was always my impression that they were part of the image area but I guess that they aren't if they can be moved. Are they a separate bitfile (like the audio streams) encoded along with the image that the player can process separately?

Subtitles are a separate file, yes. That's how a disc can have multiple different subtitles languages.

All subtitles in the picture. And a good movie and Blu-Ray release too!

Johnny Mad Dog (Blu-Ray) - French Import (& region free).
English subtitles are in the picture....CIH safe

Coco Before Chanel (Blu-ray). Subtitles in the letterbox bar. So much for Sony changing their policy.

Sony forced me to pick up an Oppo because of this and I can't thank them enough.

2012 (Blu-ray). Subtitles in the letterbox bar.

Ugggh, yup, subtitles are in both picture and letterbox and the Oppo couldn't fix it on this one.
Way to go Sony! Glad you took our feedback and changed your policy in regards to subtitles in the letterbox area.

I had no trouble moving the subtitles to within the picture unfortunately. What a turd of a movie IMHO.

Exactly and it is not on my wish list. The best part of this film is the trailer

Yeah, the movie is a stinker but I'm watching for A/V reasons only. You moved the subs with an Oppo BD83? How? I tried holding down the subtitle button for 3 seconds and the OSD came up, when I moved it up and down, nothing changed.
It's actually the first time I've tried to use the feature; did I do something wrong?