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post #1 of 34
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Profile: 2.0 BD Live.

Latest Firmware: 081226_1216

Firmware downloads page: http://hdi.co.il/firmware/bdprime/

Analog Outs: 7.1

Hardware
* 384 MB of RAM, 64 MB flash and 1GB of NAND flash memory
* HDMI 1.3
* Optical, coaxial digital and 7.1 analogue audio output.
* Composite, component, S-Video video output.
* Three USB 2.0 ports
* Ethernet 100 Mb/s included

Upgrades: Wi-Fi 802.11n, Ethernet 1000 Mb/s, 2 x eSATA

Playback:
* Blu-Ray discs (up to Profile 2.0),
* DVD-Video discs,
* Files on Blu-Ray (BD-R, BD-RE), DVD (DVD-ROM, DVD+-R, DVD+-RW), CD (CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW) discs,
* Files on USB drives (USB HDD, USB flash, USB card readers etc),
* Files in local network from PC or NAS (NFS and SMB),
* IPTV (free channels UDP/RTP MPEG-TS, H.264/MPEG-2),
* Internet radio (HTTP/MP3)

Supported file formats: MKV, MPEG-TS, MPEG-PS, M2TS, VOB, AVI, MOV, MP4, QT, ASF, WMV, DVD-ISO, VIDEO_TS

File video codecs: MPEG2, MPEG4, DivX, XVID, WMV9, VC1, H.264

File audio codecs: AC3 (DD), EAC3 (DD+), DTS, MPEG 1/2/3, AAC, LPCM, WMA, WMAPro, Dolby True HD, DTS HD HRA, DTS HD MA

Subtitle formats Plain text, SSA/AAS, SRT, VOB

Additional features
* Playback of BD structures from different sources (BD-R/RW, HDD, network, etc) as "normal" BD disc (with menus, subtitles, BD-J, so on)
* 3rd party patch for multi-region BD and DVD with possibility to set a region by remote: http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?n...wtopic&t=19872
* Bit-torrent
* Mozilla browser
* NAS server function: FTP and SMB

Supported video modes:
HDMI: 480i, 480p (60 Hz), 576i, 576p (50 Hz), 720p (50 Hz, 60 Hz), 1080i (50 Hz, 60 Hz), 1080p (24 Hz, 25 Hz, 30 Hz, 50 Hz, 60 Hz), 1024×768, 1280×1024, 1280×768, 1280×960, 1360×768, 1366×768, 1400×1050, 1440×900, 1600×1200, 1680×1050, 1920×1200 (60 Hz)
Component: PAL, NTSC, , 480p (60 Hz), 576p (50 Hz), 720p (24 Hz, 25 Hz, 30 Hz, 50 Hz, 60 Hz), 1080i (48 Hz, 50 Hz, 60 Hz), 1080p (24 Hz, 25 Hz, 30 Hz, 50 Hz, 60 Hz)
Composite: PAL, NTSC

Product Specifications: http://hdi.co.il/data/1226427743_dune_hdcenter.pdf

Hi-res pictures: http://www.hdi.co.il/hi_res_dune_bd_prime.html

Owners Manual: http://www.hdi.co.il/manuals

New features voting: http://hdi.co.il/features/

Page at manufacturer Web site: http://www.hdi.co.il/fullhd_players/...-bd-prime.html

Start of sales: December 30th, 2008 (started in EU)

Where to see: CES 2009, Sands 73031 (the manufacturer's booth)
post #2 of 34
this player is out and it looks like a awesome unit

especially for those overseas

-Gary
post #3 of 34
Wow, specs look fantastic if features actually work as advertised.
post #4 of 34
Network, Bit Torrent, and external SATA support - how convenient. Price point starting at $550ish isn't too bad. It will be interesting to see how it performs.

larry
post #5 of 34
I use two Popcorn Hour A-110's (networked media tank) right now & they're great, but the Dune player could be a nice all-in-one unit (NMT + Blu-ray/DVD/CD drive). Looks like no support for Blu-ray ISOs however. Also, no internal hard drive support, but I guess w/eSATA & USB 2.0, it isn't a biggie. Also, I wonder which IPTV content it offers. The Popcorn Hour is quite good in this regard.
post #6 of 34
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

I use two Popcorn Hour A-110's (networked media tank) right now & they're great, but the Dune player could be a nice all-in-one unit (NMT + Blu-ray/DVD/CD drive). Looks like no support for Blu-ray ISOs however. Also, no internal hard drive support, but I guess w/eSATA & USB 2.0, it isn't a biggie. Also, I wonder which IPTV content it offers. The Popcorn Hour is quite good in this regard.

BD and DVD ISOs supported too. don't worry
Internal HDD supported in another model - Dune HD Center (http://hdi.co.il/fullhd_players/67-dune_hd_center.html), which has the same f/w
post #7 of 34
Interesting, This may be an option for me to playback my 140+ GB of WMA lossless files I have ripped to my pc for my Zune.
post #8 of 34
Should be interesting.
post #9 of 34
Anyone have a Dune BD player yet? Are Dunes being sold in the U.S. currently?
post #10 of 34
At least one place in the US is offering them for sale (http://duneplayer.com/) but I don't know if they've actually shipped any yet.

Their home page now says "We have received demo units. There [sic] performance has exceeded our expectations!", which suggests that they may be shipping soon.
post #11 of 34
This is way out of my price range, but I'd really love to know if it really does do everything they're claiming...and if it will implode if you look at it funny.
post #12 of 34
I will be interested on reviews of this when someone can get their hands on one...with My Movies this could be a slick combination

When someone actually can get one in the US please post your thoughts. I am looking at this or just a small a-Open PC as it is only a bit more expensive and then you have a lot more functionality/flexibility

If PCH would come out with a device that support BD playback it would be perfect in the 200-250 range...
post #13 of 34
The player seems like a "captive interface" HTPC. So you'll get all the advantages and disadvantages of such a product. These types of things are usually for folks who like to "tinker". I haven't looked, but I don't know if the underlying software is "open" or not.

larry
post #14 of 34
Pooperscooper,

which one the A-Open or the Dune?

The Dune looks good... when combined with my Movies. Finally a solution that I can stream all of my content from a server and have my wife and 4 year old figure it out (based only on what I have read and seen in screen shots)
post #15 of 34
post #16 of 34
I saw the review... considering it was "released" last year and now 5 months later they are still hard to get a hold of is kind of scary. The unit has some potential, but by the time they star shipping there maybe some other options that are easier to acquire
post #17 of 34
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Originally Posted by chrisnoland View Post

Pooperscooper,

which one the A-Open or the Dune?

The Dune looks good... when combined with my Movies. Finally a solution that I can stream all of my content from a server and have my wife and 4 year old figure it out (based only on what I have read and seen in screen shots)

Sorry, I didn't mean to give the impression I have a Dune in my possession. I meant given all the things it supports it must have some sort of "general purpose" control software like a HTPC.

larry
post #18 of 34
Dune has released a new BD Prime beta http://hdi.co.il/firmware/bdprime/
post #19 of 34
post #20 of 34
The Dune BD Prime looks more than a bit similar to the Memorex 2510 and 2511...oddly someone popped into the Memorex 2511 thread and noted the Dune firmware would work on both models with some modification (which I'm not an expert on -- if someone could explain what the guy means, let me know. I'd be willing to try it and have used a hexeditor before). Here's the post, just FYI:

Dune Prime/Cetre firmware and Memorex 2510/2511

cut header from dune firmware
0x000 - 0x0ff - it's header
and replace chksum
post #21 of 34
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Originally Posted by img eL View Post

Anyone have a Dune BD player yet? Are Dunes being sold in the U.S. currently?

Plays BD disc, folder, iso adequately.
Plays DVD disc, folder, iso less so - upconversion less quality that an old ATI graphics card. MPEG HDTV, SDTV; divx/xvid AVI all show blue sparkle dropouts.
Oddly, MKV from HDTV plays somewhat better.
The monitor used is a constant 1080p/60.

The unit was easy to install - mostly plugging in wires. Came up running and recognized all connections (USB->eSATA drive, Network, USB memory stick, coax audio, HDMI) without any intervention on my part. Zero problems out of the box. One hang up on a next chapter remote button, after upgrading to latest firmware, required a cold start. Not repeated in two days of use.

The zoom feature varies by a/v type: non-BD zoom is double, tall, wide, and user controlled by arrows to a finer degree. It would be useful for the user to be able to organize the order of these, as the fine controls require stepping through the others to activate and the setting does not hold from one video to the next. BD zoom is only a doubler, which is pretty much useless.

All a/v starts up in about the same amount of time, perhaps 5 seconds of black screen. From warm start to menu on screen, about the same time. Shutdown to standby the same or less.

The "mobile rack" insert for mounting the internal HDD is a flimsy piece of plastic trash which requires 6 screws to mount the drive. I'll buy a separate, screwless, metal mechanism with a better quality fan for this purpose. So far, my use of the unit has not required the HDD, a 16 GB memory stick suffices.

As far as I can see, the HDD may be completely unnecessary (not using torrent abilty at this point). And I feel the unit will fair better not having to cope with the heat.

Firmware upgrade could not be easier, one click does all from a memory stick.

Although this is a light weight unit, it sits firmly on solid feet of rubber and does not slide around while plugging in wires or USB devices.

Unit was purchased via Canada. http://www.onlybestrated.com/ Shipping to USA reasonably priced too.

I'm rating this 4 out of 5 stars for feature set, 2 out of 5 stars for over all performance, 3 out of 5 stars for BD performance.

Basically, it's worth the extra bucks for a unit that plays more BD material more easily than PowerDVD in a dual core CPU. For now, however, the CPU will still be used to play all non-BD material.
post #22 of 34
The Dune Prime 2.0 Blu Ray player is available for preorder.

Specs:

Playback

Blu-Ray discs (Profile 1.1/2.0)
DVD-Video discs
Files on Blu-Ray (BD-R, BD-RE), DVD (DVD-ROM, DVD+-R, DVD+-RW), CD (CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW) discs
Files on USB drives (USB HDD, USB flash, USB card readers etc)
Files in local network from PC or NAS (NFS and SMB)
IPTV (free channels UDP/RTP MPEG-TS, H.264/MPEG-2)
Internet radio (HTTP/MP3)

The player will support a proprietary implementation of full VoD and HV system called "Dune HD", planned to be launched in future. This system is based on SecureMedia solution, certified by all the Hollywood majors.

File formats: MKV, MPEG-TS, MPEG-PS, M2TS, VOB, AVI, MOV, MP4, QT, ASF, WMV, DVD-ISO, VIDEO_TS.
Video codecs: MPEG2, MPEG4, DivX, XVID, WMV9, VC1, H.264.
Audio codecs: AC3 (DD), EAC3 (DD+), DTS, MPEG 1/2/3, AAC, LPCM, WMA, WMAPro, Dolby True HD, DTS HD HRA, DTS HD MA (HD-formats for Blu-Ray playback only).
Subtitle formats: Plain text, SSA/AAS, SRT, VOB.

Network

Browsing, copying and direct playback of files from PC and NAS in local network (NFS and SMB protocols).
attached storage from local network.
Playback of Internet radio (HTTP/MP3).
Playback of IPTV (free channels UDP/RTP MPEG-TS, H.264/MPEG-2).
NAS function: FTP and SMB servers for accessing player's attached storage from local network.
Bit-Torrent client for digital content download from Internet.
Web browser (based on the same engine as used in Mozilla Firefox) for browsing arbitrary Internet sites (with limited possibilities and performance).

Blu-Ray video playback support

DVD-Video playback support:
DVD menu navigation is supported.
Sources:
Commercial DVD-Video disks:
Internal DVD drive.
USB DVD drives.
ISO images, VIDEO_TS folders:
Internal DVD drive.
USB mass storage devices (USB HDD, USB flash memory).
USB DVD drives.
NFS network folders.
SMB network folders.

Media files playback support

Sources:
Internal DVD drive.
USB mass storage devices (USB HDD, USB flash memory).
USB DVD drives.
NFS network folders.
SMB network folders.
HTTP URLs (limited support).


IPTV:
Protocols:
Multicast UDP (raw).
Multicast RTP.

Supported Video Resolutions

HDMI:
480i, 480p (60 Hz)
576i, 576p (50 Hz)
720p (50 Hz, 60 Hz)
1080i (50 Hz, 60 Hz)
1080p (24 Hz, 25 Hz, 30 Hz, 50 Hz, 60 Hz)
1024×768, 1280×1024, 1280×768, 1280×960, 1360×768, 1366×768, 1400×1050, 1440×900, 1600×1200, 1680×1050, 1920×1200 (60 Hz)

Component:
PAL
NTSC
480p (60 Hz)
576p (50 Hz)
720p (24 Hz, 25 Hz, 30 Hz, 50 Hz, 60 Hz)
1080i (48 Hz, 50 Hz, 60 Hz)
1080p (24 Hz, 25 Hz, 30 Hz, 50 Hz, 60 Hz)

Composite:
PAL
NTSC

Note: some video modes may be not supported - it depends on the player mode, type of data being played back, and EDID of video hardware connected to the player.

Specifications
Main Chipset Sigma Design SMP8634 MIPS 300MHz CPU HDMI v1.3
Video Containers:
MPEG (MPEG-TS, MPEG-PS, VOB, M2TS) (typical file extensions: .MPG, .TS, .M2TS, .TP, .VOB).
AVI (typical file extensions: .AVI).
MOV, MP4 (typical file extensions: .MOV, .MP4, .QT).
MKV (typical file extensions: .MKV).
ASF (typical file extensions: .ASF, .WMV).
DVD-ISO, VIDEO_TS (DVD-Video playback, including DVD menu support).
Raw video.
Raw audio (typical file extensions: .WAV, .MP3).
Video codecs:
MPEG2.
MPEG4.
DivX.
XVID.
WMV9.
VC1.
H.264.
Format:
MPEG-TS container.
MPEG2 video codec (SD and HD resolutions).

Audio AC3 (DD).
EAC3 (DD+).
DTS.
MPEG (layers 1/2/3).
AAC.
LPCM.
WMA.
WMAPro.
External audio streams:
AC3.
DTS.

Connections
2x USB 2.0 Host
2x eSATA Interfaces
1x LAN (10/100Mbps)
1x I/O Jack (Optional Breakout Box)
AV In/Out Video: HDMI, Component, S-Video, Composite
Audio: Coaxial (S/PDIF), Optical, Analog 7.1
File System NTFS, FAT32
Sub Titles Embedded: : In MKV: plain text, SSA/ASS.
In MP4: VOB
External : SRT
Fan 40mm Brushless, Variable Speed, Temperature Sensing
Flash ROM 62 MB
Main Memory 384 MB
Size/Weight 7.2" (W) x 5.47" (D) x 2.9" (H)
Warranty Info One year warranty

Available here:

http://www.digitalconnection.com/Pro...deo/prime2.asp
post #23 of 34
No FLAC support? Hopefully it can be added via firmware.
post #24 of 34
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Originally Posted by taz291819 View Post

No FLAC support? Hopefully it can be added via firmware.

According to this it has FLAC audio?

Already implemented according to the previous voting results
FLAC audio files
FLAC audio tracks in MKV files
External FLAC audio tracks

I got the above excerpt from the following link (see bottom of the page):

http://dune-hd.com/features
post #25 of 34
Does anyone know if this player will handle/play FLV files.

Thanks!
post #26 of 34
Addendum, after a two weeks of Blu-Ray use:

Occasional power off/on reboot required when attempting to skip forward a chapter from very near the beginning of the main movie, such as when restarting a disc.

One self-power-down-crash when playing a disc which had an "invisible" glitch. After repeating the error, moved the disc to a BD player equipped PC, saw the pixelation at the same point, which lasted less than a second, and the disc played on to the end without further flaws. Obviously Dune needs to address its error recovery logic.

Otherwise, to date, it plays Blu material very well, most non-Blu material poorly (blue sparkle drop outs referred to previously) on a constant 1080p/60 display.
post #27 of 34
I was wondering if it will play Blu-Ray movies that were backed up to disk. If it does, then does it also decode the Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD master audio?

The reason why I ask is because first it says it can play video_ts folders, but does not mean it can play the Stream folder of BD. Second, it say it will only decode Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD master audio if play in BD, but does that hold true for backed up files?


Thanks in advance
post #28 of 34
It plays Blu-rays backed up to folders, ISO, and the physical disc if you have the Prime or Center (The Base does not have BD-Rom drive). It bitstreams all HD audios from all of the above.
post #29 of 34
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Originally Posted by MickeyDora View Post

It plays Blu-rays backed up to folders, ISO, and the physical disc if you have the Prime or Center (The Base does not have BD-Rom drive). It bitstreams all HD audios from all of the above.

Thanks Mickey! Now I'm kicking myself for buying the Oppo BDP-80 and missing Digital Connection's presale on the Dune Prime 2.0 (it was $399 now it's $449). I was not sure that there would be a US seller for the Dune when I got my Oppo. Digital Connection does like to get fringe stuff, so I should have known. I missed their presale by 1 day as tried to order on Saturday.

I might have to move the Oppo to the bedroom. I still might wait it out to see how the reviews go (on the newer unit) as I'm still upset about the $50.
post #30 of 34
I'm looking at the pictures and I don't see place on the front panel that displays the audio codec that is being used. Is it there?


Thanks in advance.
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