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post #31 of 93
The fixed 1000, oh sorry, the 1100 won the CES 2009 Best of Innovation.

lol....

Am I ever glad I didn't make the trip to go to that show. If black paint and a firmware fix is the best CES had to show, this is going to be a very sad year for home electronics.
post #32 of 93
Maybe it was a beauty contest?
post #33 of 93
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Originally Posted by Wannabe Actuary View Post

1. I tested it for some time without the extender and am using it now with the extender...I've never had any runaway commands.
2. never had the high pitch noise in the dock...although some said that was contrast related during the slideshow...the 1100 has no slideshow
3. I never used the 1000, so I can't compare, but the screen transitions are pretty quick

Thank you for the reply
post #34 of 93
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Originally Posted by smokinghot View Post

The fixed 1000, oh sorry, the 1100 won the CES 2009 Best of Innovation.

lol....

Am I ever glad I didn't make the trip to go to that show. If black paint and a firmware fix is the best CES had to show, this is going to be a very sad year for home electronics.

I would have loved to talked to the people at the Logitec booth about this thing!

Here is what I would have asked.

1.) As a 1000 owner should I look at this as a possible upgrade?

2.) what does this remote offer that a "working" 1000 doesnt? BTW do you plan on making the 1000 work?

3.) If you were me and owned a 1000 what would you do in order to get it working properly? Would you be frustrated? Would you see the 1100 as anything but a slap in the face?

4.) Are you surprised that as a 1000 owner I am frustrated that the 1100 looks only like what my 1000 should be, or at least was promised to be?

5.) If I was going to post your response to my concerns/questions what would you like to be the official response to be?
post #35 of 93
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Originally Posted by vancouver View Post

2.) what does this remote offer that a "working" 1000 doesnt? BTW do you plan on making the 1000 work?

#2 takes it in my book

post #36 of 93
like I said, the beta testers were invited into the beta test...they setup a 'secret' part of the logitech forums for us to correspond with each other and a logitech Q&A guy...then they told us about the remote before we got it...almost all of our responses were: "so it's a fixed 1000...so, what's the marketing campaign going to be"

by the way, when we got it, it was in more of an 'alpha' stage than a beta stage
post #37 of 93
So will it be out in Feb for sure?
post #38 of 93
logitech should have no problem making a February launch...I was just commenting that it was pretty raw when we started testing a few months ago
post #39 of 93
Wow, the Harmony 1100 got the CES "Best Innovations" award for 2009? Lame! It doesn't even support sequences. I've heard the 1000 and 1100 are practically the same hardware wise, just a different firmware. Harmony should suck it up and let the 1000 users upgrade their remotes if they are unhappy with the sub par performance of their remotes. Of course, marketing/execs wouldn't allow that so as to not cannibalize sales of their new flagship remote. Nice. It's a fixed 1000? Maybe the programming department just needs more resources to do their job properly the first time around. Good luck to them.
post #40 of 93
They should have asked me to BETA test for them...

And who do you have to sleep with to win that award?
post #41 of 93
CES has a Best of reward for everything. I think it is like how youth sports are nowadays where everyone is a winner. For example these crappy headphones
http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/01/06...y-look-psycho/ got the "Best of Innovations Award".
post #42 of 93
I remember those days... Everyone was given a stupid red or blue ribbon...
post #43 of 93
So if the 1100 doesn't support sequences, are there any recommendations on how to implement something similar?

For example, at the moment, on my Pronto I have a macro to toggle the subtitles on my Sky (satellite) box on and off. This is the help button, followed by the right button followed by the OK button.

If I cannot programme the 1100 to do something like that as a sequence, can I (easily) have the buttons on screen? I don't mind pressing the individual buttons - I just didn't have the space on the Pronto screen when I was setting it up. I'm trying to understand how flexible the 1100 is when it comes to screen layout, soft buttons, etc.

Thanks.

--Philip
post #44 of 93
I don't think sequences are never going to show up on the 1100, it is just that it was removed during the software rewrite. It should be back by release or soon afterwards, but I wouldn't hold my breath for it.
post #45 of 93
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Originally Posted by xpat View Post

Wow, the Harmony 1100 got the CES "Best Innovations" award for 2009? Lame! It doesn't even support sequences. I've heard the 1000 and 1100 are practically the same hardware wise, just a different firmware. Harmony should suck it up and let the 1000 users upgrade their remotes if they are unhappy with the sub par performance of their remotes. Of course, marketing/execs wouldn't allow that so as to not cannibalize sales of their new flagship remote. Nice. It's a fixed 1000? Maybe the programming department just needs more resources to do their job properly the first time around. Good luck to them.

If the marketing execs feel that giving 1000 owners a 1100 asa trade in would cannibalize their sales then they are dumber then I thought. What 1000 owner would buy another product from Harmony, or spend $500+ to simply get a working version of what they already have?
post #46 of 93
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Originally Posted by Wannabe Actuary View Post

like I said, the beta testers were invited into the beta test...they setup a 'secret' part of the logitech forums for us to correspond with each other and a logitech Q&A guy...then they told us about the remote before we got it...almost all of our responses were: "so it's a fixed 1000...so, what's the marketing campaign going to be"

by the way, when we got it, it was in more of an 'alpha' stage than a beta stage

Curiously...did they respond to your questions about it being nothing but a "working 1000"?
post #47 of 93
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Originally Posted by vancouver View Post

What 1000 owner would buy another product from Harmony, or spend $500+ to simply get a working version of what they already have?

The same type of person that will upgrade their Harmony One for the RF version with silver paint, and kung fu grip.

...remember this post, it will happen.
post #48 of 93
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Originally Posted by vancouver View Post

Curiously...did they respond to your questions about it being nothing but a "working 1000"?

unfortunately our contact for the testing was (rightfully so) a Q&A guy...he had no information on marketing plans/strategy
post #49 of 93
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Originally Posted by pcolmer View Post

So if the 1100 doesn't support sequences, are there any recommendations on how to implement something similar?

For example, at the moment, on my Pronto I have a macro to toggle the subtitles on my Sky (satellite) box on and off. This is the help button, followed by the right button followed by the OK button.

If I cannot programme the 1100 to do something like that as a sequence, can I (easily) have the buttons on screen? I don't mind pressing the individual buttons - I just didn't have the space on the Pronto screen when I was setting it up. I'm trying to understand how flexible the 1100 is when it comes to screen layout, soft buttons, etc.

Thanks.

--Philip

there is plenty of screen space...you have the 4 different subscreens for each activity...one of which is the 'star' subscreen where you can place any commands you want from any of the devices in the activity...the 'main' part of that screen holds 6 commands per page, pages aren't limited as far as I know...each of the 4 subscreen areas has 4 commands on the left and 4 commands on the right...those 8 locations can be customized...and can be customized differently for each subscreen if you want.
post #50 of 93
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Originally Posted by Wannabe Actuary View Post

there is plenty of screen space...you have the 4 different subscreens for each activity...one of which is the 'star' subscreen where you can place any commands you want from any of the devices in the activity...the 'main' part of that screen holds 6 commands per page, pages aren't limited as far as I know...each of the 4 subscreen areas has 4 commands on the left and 4 commands on the right...those 8 locations can be customized...and can be customized differently for each subscreen if you want.

What Wannabe Actuary is saying is that you have plenty of screen real estate to add a number of commands used in your macro ... and then press them individually, one after the other, with one of your fingers as necessary
post #51 of 93
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Originally Posted by xpat View Post

What Wannabe Actuary is saying is that you have plenty of screen real estate to add a number of commands used in your macro ... and then press them individually, one after the other, with one of your fingers as necessary

exactly...I myself have used 5 different harmony models now (880, 890 with extender, One, 510, 1100 with extender) and never had a need for sequences
post #52 of 93
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Originally Posted by Wannabe Actuary View Post

exactly...I myself have used 5 different harmony models now (880, 890 with extender, One, 510, 1100 with extender) and never had a need for sequences

Forgive me, but aren't "sequences" just Harmony slang for macros...?

If that's the case, doesn't anyone else think that for what you're paying it, seems a little bottom shelf not to have this ability...? Even my OEM AVR remotes have this capability.

I hope I've got this wrong...
post #53 of 93
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Originally Posted by smokinghot View Post

Forgive me, but aren't "sequences" just Harmony slang for macros...?

If that's the case, doesn't anyone else think that for what you're paying it, seems a little bottom shelf not to have this ability...? Even my OEM AVR remotes have this capability.

I hope I've got this wrong...

Damn, you must be buying better stuff than I can afford. None of my gear allows macros.
post #54 of 93
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Originally Posted by vhato View Post

Damn, you must be buying better stuff than I can afford. None of my gear allows macros.



My onkyo AVR (703) remote has three hard buttons that allow basic activity switching. It's certainly limited...(can't remember how many steps), but it does do macros. Regardless the 703 definitely isn't a high end piece.



They are located under the numeric keypad section.
post #55 of 93
yeah, my onkyo 806 also has them...
post #56 of 93
Quote:
Originally Posted by smokinghot View Post



My onkyo AVR (703) remote has three hard buttons that allow basic activity switching. It's certainly limited...(can't remember how many steps), but it does do macros. Regardless the 703 definitely isn't a high end piece.



They are located under the numeric keypad section.

Yep, you are buying better than me. I buy Jensen!!!
post #57 of 93
So I wonder if the 1100 will be available early or late Feb?
post #58 of 93
if it follows the One from last year, it'll be early Feb.
but honestly I don't know
post #59 of 93
Cool. THX
post #60 of 93
I'm not sure I'd want the first batch off the production line (not that I want one anyway).
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