Harmony 1000 vs. 1100 - Page 3

If you don't want one then why are you reading about it here?

Sorry, but why do I need to have everything I'm interested in to be on my short list for purchase...?

I have zero desire to own any Harmony let alone the 1100... Am I breaking some rule by posting in this thread?

Absolutely not but if you don't have a Harmony and no desires to have one then why give advise against getting one when they first hit? Do you know something that actual BETA testers don't? Or is that just a general rule you have?

I like to keep up with what's going on in the world of remotes. Also, this thread isn't the Official 1100 Future Owners Thread. It is the 1000 vs. 1100 thread where I'd think that lessons learned from the 1000 should be applied to the 1100. Being critical of the initial production run of the 1100 would seem to apply to this thread.

So from the extensive beta testing of the 1000 where all the bugs and glitches were worked out prior to production , it might be wise to take a wait and see approach to purchasing the 1100.

Personally I plan on warning as many people as possible to stay away from the 1100 until I feel harmony has handled its 1000 customer properly. Heck I am considering going to my local best buy when its released and standing next to the display to talk people out of it :P

You would probably do more public good by standing next to the Monster cables and preaching monoprice.com's good name. I doubt there will be any campers waiting at the door for a 1100.

Well for the record I didn't say anything about avoiding it on opening day. However from what I have read/heard from the beta testers for the 1100, it doesn't seem like anything to write home about. Now being on the beta testing team, I would think it not their best interest to give the advice that your commenting on. There is no reason why I can't though...if I did in the first place.

Even forgetting about the above point. With the screw job Harmony has given the 1000 owners with the release of the 1100. IMHO do think it prudent to hold off on opening day, if for no other reason than the likelyhood (going by track record) that it will have it's issues, and those issues may not be fixed until the next model release.


No one need listen to me....but it's my .02

actually, from what I've told, the beta testers actually had hardware revision 2 devices...
hardware revision 3 is actually what will be sold (minor interior changes).

also, for those wondering about the differences, internally it has a completely different processor than the 1000

That's actually interesting that the internal processor is different than the 1000. That to me makes it more than a "fixed" 1000.

Out of curiosity, what will you be doing with your old 1000 when you upgrade.

*edit:

Never mind... I went back through this thread and from what I can tell, you don't have one. Makes me understand your non-"fixed" opinion. I wonder how many original 1000 owners agree with you.

wait...

What difference does a "different internal processor" make? Its totally possible the only thing it offers is the ability to NOT let 1000 owners use the 1100 firmware.

Unless i missed something its doesnt seem like the "different processor" is netting different results or features.

Does this translate to any benefit for the end user?

exactly, maybe that's the excuse Harmony is looking for ... because the new firmware definitely runs on the regular 1000 hardware (albeit requiring some tweaking, nothing that couldn't be accomplished from what I heard)

Actually when I had the 1000 (not to long ago) it worked quite well. I only had an occasional freeze up. I programmed it to do 11 components (including lights and my Carada Masquerade Masking System)... I did not have any other issues with it. I did not use as RF though. I only returned it because I heard about the 1100.

1100 hasn't froze on me at all...screen transitions are nice and fast...I don't know if that's processor related or not, but that's much different than the 1000

That's why for me the 1100 would be fine. I guess I can see where others are coming from if they are not happy with their 1000s. I will pull out of this thread and just post in the owner's thread when the time comes.

Very fortunate for you that you were able to return it. Well, not that you got lucky or anything, but the timing of 1100 announcement corresponding within the allowable period of return, worked in your favour.

In all honesty though. Would you be standing by your "non-upgrade" opinion, if you weren't able to get your 1000 investment back? ...sure it's easy to say yes, but I bet behind closed doors, you wouldn't be very happy.

Probably more to do with the fact that the remote is now based on a Flash UI rather than Java running on top of a Linux distro ... much less overhead. I would guess it has little or nothing to do with the processor as the 1100 firmware was seen running nicely on regular 1000 series remotes.

I saw the Harmony 1100 in CES 2009 reviews, and have been considering one for my elderly parents, who are relatively healthy but have poor eyesight. They have an HDTV with DISH and they're switching over to Verizon FiOS and probably TiVo HD - a good time to upgrade remotes.

Best Buy in Kennesaw GA has Logitech Harmony 1100's
in stock for $499 (ouch)

Here's some details on mine:
- Setup software files on included CD are dated 6/12/2008
Logitech Harmony Remote Software 7.5
- After you register on the Logitech Harmony website,
you can download the latest software and firmware for
your remote (the LH 1100):
- Logitech Harmony Remote Software 7.5.0
(latest as of 1/18/09)
- Firmware IMG REV 06.09.03.00 (displayed when LH 1100
boots up, just after LiIon battery is installed)
- No Reset/reboot function (must remove battery or
reboot with software via USB)
- 3.7V 1250 mAh Lithium Ion battery L-LU18
(cellphone-style flat pack w/3 gold contacts)
- Logitech one year limited hardware warranty
- Best Buy 30-day return policy
- Slideshow is available under Settings menu
- Connection to PC via USB is indicated by checked USB
logo displayed on LH 1100 screen

Issues:
- Had issues with the software hanging up occasionally
(might have been me, not sure; using notebook PC
with slower USB 1.1 port, several browser windows
open, etc)
- The Firmware update/upgrade seemed to go OK, but it
aborted before it finished:
LH1100 reports:
FIRMWARE UPGRADE SUCCESSFUL
Please update your remote with the remote control
software.
Software reports:
Step 4 of 5 Rebooting Harmony Remote: 95% complete
Step failed Updating region : No response - The information was not sent. Check your USB cable and try again. If the problem persists, contact customer service.
Software Show Status window:
Initializing services ...
Firmware version 6.9
Region [0]: 6.4
Region [1]: 6.9
Region [2]: 6.9
Region [3]: 6.9
Region [4]: 0.0
Region [7]: 1.81 ...
... (much activity, all successful) ...
... Starting to upgrade region Region 4
The file is 54250 bytes
Updating region
Updating data: 1 attempt(s)
Updating data: 2 attempt(s)
Terminating communication
Terminating communication - successful.
Updating region : No response - The information was not sent. Check your USB cable and try again. If the problem persists, contact customer service.

Hope this is useful

Logitech Harmony 1100 newbie

try a different computer.. could be a faulty usb port....

BB has them in already!

dancolestock, the problem you are describing might be remote related but more than likely (99% probability I would say) it is a problem with your internet connection and/or computer. I've heard of numerous problems from FIOS customers updating Harmony remotes (no idea what the problem might be, just that Harmony remotes would continue failing updates like yours). problem could be firewall/antivirus/router, internet provider related, computer software interference, computer usb trouble, usb cable defective, etc. the first logical step would be try another computer using a different internet provider; not a corporate/work computer as those are typically behind corporate firewalls/proxies and cause the same type of problems.

it would be good to start a new thread for troubleshooting your remote so we don't hijack this thread with responses. good luck, hopefully the 1100 is being released as a product ready for the market.

get them while they're hot..

I would only if I had a coupon. After taxes it is even more than amazon.

Amazon has them for pre-order at $499 but no expected release date on thier site. Hopefully, once Amazon has them in stock they will lower the price. I've had the 1000 on my wish list for over a year and it's been $399 or lower ($299 for awhile) even when BB still sold them for $499. I recently removed the 1000 from my wish list and added the 1100. I'll most likely get it when Amazon has it for $399 or less. Hopefully, I won't have to wait too long.

I went ahead and grabbed one today from a BestBuy. Used a coupon so it wasn't as bad... WIll get working with it soon...

have you looked into the urc mx3000?

there so hot right now we dont even get a discount on htem yet

haha, I've been using mine since back around October/November

joerod started a new thread for 1100 owners:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1112372