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post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
I have been searching for weeks now both in stores and online, and i'm getting more and more confused the more I look.

I am building a dedicated theater room, plan is for an acoustically transparent screen. The room is small, 13 x 11 at most and I currently have a cheap denon 7.1 htib setup, small 5.25 inch woofer bookshelfs all around and a dual woofer center. Sound is ok, I sure can get it loud enough, but it lacks that dynamic impact of real theater sound.

I have always been a sucker for the klipsch sound, the horns sound pleasing to me. Maybe its because I grew up with Klipsch sound from my dads Stereo.

Where is this going? I'm trying to find the mythical speaker that does not exist. Its basically a Klipsch sounding, very Dynamic speaker that gives "big theater sound" which is not just the same thing as playing loud.

However it cannot be a tower, My room is too small to cram towers behind the AT screen as my equipment rack will be under the screen, so If I try to sit 40inch high towers above my equipment rack, lets say on a shelf, the tweeters will be 6 feet high or more..... doesnt work.

Im looking for sealed or front ported identical LCR speakers. If price was no object I would not be asking this question I would already have bought 3 of these: http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/kl-650-thx.aspx

But I did not win the lottery today, so ideally the price per speaker would be 10 times less. Lets say 600 total for the front 3.

I have not been impressed with just standard 5 inch woofer bookshelfs (found at Best Buy and such), they again seem to lack that dynamics of Klipsch sound.

On wall speakers meant to surround plasma TVs look underwhelming to me, many have 4inch drivers and seem to sacrifice sound quality for slim looks.

Am I going crazy? Is there such a speaker that can fill this need anywhere near my budget ?

Please help
post #2 of 10
a couple of suggestions for you to consider.
HSU Research HB/HC series speakers mated with a good subwoofer
http://www.hsuresearch.com/speakers.html

You are right, other than Klipsch and BIC Acoustech (very hard to find now because of a sloppy model changeover), horn tweeter speakers are hard to find. In-walls are pretty much limited to Klipsch and their prices reflect that.

Dome tweeter in-walls may be your next best bet, only I recommed in-walls with at least an 8" woofer/midrange to get the "big sound" you are looking for. I have had good luck with the "Dayton" brand on kevlar inwalls from www.partsexpress.com
http://www.parts-express.com/wizards...TOKEN=18170998

good luck
post #3 of 10
Why not just get 3 Klipsch bookshelves like the RB series:

http://www.klipsch.com/products/lists/bookshelf.aspx

Their horns should give you the dynamic range that you want.
post #4 of 10
I liked the SVS surround speakers. They are front ported and matched. I think for about 525 you can get LCR with two 5.25" drivers and a silk dome tweeter each.

Also check EMP's on wall speakers they had $500 on walls on clearance for about $100 each the other day.

I would recommend EMP's EF30s, but they are back ported, which is what I ended up with.
post #5 of 10
Take a look at Ascend Acoustics. You can see them in my theater thread too.

I use an acoustically transparent screen and I used TV mounting brackets to place the speakers exactly where I wanted them behind the screen.

Joe
post #6 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the suggestions,

Its a shame the both the HSU and the Klipsch Bookshelves (in my price range like the RB-51, RB-10) are rear ported. As there would only be a few inches behind the speaker to the back wall.

How much of a hit would it be to basically plug the ports, or just give them say 1 to 2 inches of room behind them. The RB-81 looks great, but sadly out of my price range hah.

I have an Onkyo 705 to drive the speakers so Audyssey should correct the sound best it can with the blocked ports, but I guess it cannot correct for the loss of mid bass that would cause ?

How crazy is this, speaking of Bic Acoustech, could I take their HT-85 (center channel), rotate the horn tweeter 90 degrees, and sit three across the front vertically ? They look to be sealed enclosures. That would give dual 8inch drivers all across. Thats the same price as a pair of RB-51s there is no port to deal with, and the drivers are larger. Does that make any sense ?
post #7 of 10
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Originally Posted by gonthorn View Post


Am I going crazy? Is there such a speaker that can fill this need anywhere near my budget ?

Please help

I rather think that it's the speaker industry that's gone crazy with their overprice tiny crappy little speakers.

How about a pair of used klipsch hersey speakers mounted on the wall... upside down if necessary? That should set you back about $200-350 and if you still feel the need for a center channel, you can buy another pair.
post #8 of 10
Thread Starter 
I would love some vintage Klipsch up front, I have never heard Heresys myself, but people do rave about them.

That sounds like a great idea, I guess I didnt think about it as it doesnt get much coverage here, but I do sometimes check the Klipsch forums and many members talk about Heritage speaker setups there.

Any better places to look for Heresys than Audiogon and Ebay ?

Maybe there is a super secret used speaker selling club out on the internets I have never heard of hah.

This is a really stupid question but are the heritage series from Klipsch similar in sound to say the reference series, or lets say this, I assume (from other reviews and such) that heritage klipsch gear is more than capable of producing good sounding movie soundtracks ? Just cause they were built in the 80s or so doesnt mean that they cant keep up with the lossless audio codecs we have today right ?!?
post #9 of 10
Are you sure you can't find 3 RB-61s in your price range? MSRP for 3 would be $750, so I'd think you could find them somewhere at or near your price range. If you can't find anywhere to split a pair, it seems using an RC-52 wouldn't be a horrible compromise either.
post #10 of 10
Checkout your local Craig's List for used speakers and don't be afraid to put in a WTB (want to buy) ad. I'd also hazard a guess that the klipsch forums have a buy/sell section.

I really don't know how the Hereseys would compare the reference series, try asking at the Klipsch forums.

If you're willing to put together a kit, you might want to try the Nathan speaker by Earl Geddey... they run about $700. (edit: not sure if that's $700 per pair or per speaker)

http://www.gedlee.com/Summa.htm

Some vintage (professional not consumer level) JBL monitors might also do the trick. The Altec model 19 speakers might be a bit large for your space and budget, but take a look if you can find a used pair locally.

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Originally Posted by gonthorn View Post

I would love some vintage Klipsch up front, I have never heard Heresys myself, but people do rave about them.

That sounds like a great idea, I guess I didnt think about it as it doesnt get much coverage here, but I do sometimes check the Klipsch forums and many members talk about Heritage speaker setups there.

Any better places to look for Heresys than Audiogon and Ebay ?

Maybe there is a super secret used speaker selling club out on the internets I have never heard of hah.

This is a really stupid question but are the heritage series from Klipsch similar in sound to say the reference series, or lets say this, I assume (from other reviews and such) that heritage klipsch gear is more than capable of producing good sounding movie soundtracks ? Just cause they were built in the 80s or so doesnt mean that they cant keep up with the lossless audio codecs we have today right ?!?
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