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2009 Panasonic 12G Plasma Line-Up

post #1 of 3994
Thread Starter 
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...4950944&EDATE=

More to follow.....
post #2 of 3994
Some of the Neo PDPs are coming out in March!!!
post #3 of 3994
S1 series is the one to watch.

EDIT: So the X1 has the same black levels as the current panasonics?
post #4 of 3994
Not at all to be a grinch, but please post info in the existing 12g thread.
post #5 of 3994
Thread Starter 
New Global site is up

http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/
post #6 of 3994
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by magillagorilla View Post

Not at all to be a grinch, but please post info in the existing 12g thread.


15 pages of speculation?
Time for a new dedicated thread.
post #7 of 3994
There doesn't seem to be much difference between the P42G10 and P42S1.

It would be nice if they listed the MSRPs.
post #8 of 3994
The press release says the S1 has THX but it's not listed on the web page.
post #9 of 3994
Quote:
Originally Posted by FAUguy View Post

There doesn't seem to be much difference between the P42G10 and P42S1.

I don't see any differences between the 42-inch versions of the G10 and S1.

They both feature:

Neo PDP design
THX certified
1080 lines of motion resolution
40,000:1 native contrast ratio
Infinite Black panel



Which one should I get? I guess the least expensive one.

Edit:

Upon further reading the G10 series has the web menu and image viewer -- features basically useless to me.

I guess I'll be getting the TC-P42S1 in March.
post #10 of 3994
Model Features Availability

TC-P54Z1 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; Summer, 2009
Wireless HD (TM)Connectivity;
thin 1" Design Panel and Tuner
Box configuration; VIERA
CAST(TM); THX(R) Certified
Display; 600Hz Sub-field
Drive; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM) with AVCHD
Playback; VIERA Link(TM);
Contrast Ratio: Native
40,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel; 24P Cinematic
Playback, 4 HDMI inputs,
Swivel Base

TC-P65V10 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; August, 2009
Digital Cinema Color;
THX(R) Certified Display;
VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Image
Viewer(TM) with AVCHD
Playback; VIERA Link(TM);
600Hz Sub-field drive;
24P Cinematic Playback, 4
HDMI inputs; Contrast
Ratio: Native 40,000:1
Infinite Black Panel

TC-P58V10 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; August, 2009
Digital Cinema Color;
THX(R) Certified Display;
VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Image
Viewer(TM) with AVCHD
Playback; VIERA Link(TM);
600 Hz Sub-field drive;
24P Cinematic Playback, 4
HDMI inputs; Contrast
Ratio: Native
40,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel

TC-P54V10 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; June, 2009
Digital Cinema Color;
THX(R) Certified Display;
VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Image
Viewer(TM) with AVCHD
Playback; VIERA Link(TM);
600Hz Sub-field Drive;
24P Cinematic Playback, 4
HDMI inputs; Contrast
Ratio: Native 40,000:1/
Infinite Black Panel

TC-P50V10 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; June, 2009
Digital Cinema Color;
THX(R) Certified Display;
VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Image
Viewer(TM) with AVCHD
Playback; VIERA Link(TM);
600Hz Sub-field Drive;
24P Cinematic Playback, 4
HDMI inputs; Contrast
Ratio: Native 40,000:1
Dynamic 1,000,000:1/Infinite
Black Panel, 2" Design
with Single-Sheet-of-Glass,
Swivel Base.

TC-P54G10 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; May, 2009
VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
THX(R) Certified Display;
VIERA Image Viewer(TM) with
AVCHD Playback; 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; Game
mode; 3 HDMI inputs,
Contrast Ratio: Native
40,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel

TC-P50G10 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; March, 2009
VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
THX(R) Certified Display;
VIERA Image Viewer(TM) with
AVCHD Playback; 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; Game
mode; 3 HDMI inputs,
Contrast Ratio: Native
40,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel

TC-P46G10 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; March, 2009
VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
THX(R) Certified Display;
VIERA Image Viewer(TM) with
AVCHD Playback; 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; Game
mode; 3 HDMI inputs,
Contrast Ratio: Native
40,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel

TC-P42G10 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; March, 2009
VIERA CAST(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
THX(R) Certified Display;
VIERA Image Viewer(TM) with
AVCHD Playback; 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; Game
mode; 3 HDMI inputs,
Contrast Ratio: Native 40,000:1/Infinite Black Panel

TC-P65S1 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; August, 2009
Full-Time 1080 lines
Moving Picture Resolution;
VIERA Image Viewer(TM);
VIERA Link(TM); 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; AR
filter; Game mode; 3 HDMI
inputs, Contrast Ratio:
Native 40,000:1/Infinite
Black Panel

TC-P58S1 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; August, 2009
Full-Time 1080 lines
Moving Picture
Resolution; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
600Hz Sub-field Drive; AR
filter; Game mode; 3 HDMI
inputs, Contrast Ratio:
Native 40,000:1/Infinite
Black Panel

TC-P54S1 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; May, 2009
Full-Time 1080 lines
Moving Picture
Resolution; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
600Hz Sub-field Drive; AR
filter; Game mode; 3 HDMI
inputs, Contrast Ratio:
Native 40,000:1/Infinite
Black Panel

TC-P50S1 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; March, 2009
Full-Time 1080 lines
Moving Picture
Resolution; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
600Hz Sub-field Drive; AR
filter; Game mode; 3 HDMI
inputs; Contrast Ratio:
Native 40,000:1/Infinite
Black Panel

TC-P46S1 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; March, 2009
Full-Time 1080 lines
Moving Picture
Resolution; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
600Hz Sub-field Drive; AR
filter; Game mode; 3 HDMI
inputs; Contrast Ratio:
Native 40,000:1/Infinite
Black Panel

TC-P42S1 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution; March, 2009
Full-Time 1080 lines
Moving Picture
Resolution; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
600Hz Sub-field Drive; AR
filter; Game mode; 3 HDMI
inputs, Contrast Ratio:
Native 40,000:1/Infinite
Black Panel

TC-P50X1 720p Resolution; Over 900 February, 2009
Lines of Moving
Resolution, 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; VIERA
Image Viewer(TM); VIERA
Link(TM); AR Filter; Game
Mode; 3 HDMI inputs;
Contrast Ratio Native
30,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel

TC-P42X1 720p Resolution; Over 900 February, 2009
Lines of Moving
Resolution, 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; VIERA
Image Viewer(TM); VIERA
Link(TM); AR Filter; Game
Mode; 3 HDMI inputs;
Contrast Ratio Native
30,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel

TC-54PS14 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution;
600Hz Sub-field Drive;
Contrast Ratio Native
30,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel; Over 900 lines of
Moving Resolution; VIERA
Link(TM)z Sub-field Drive;
SD Photo Viewer; VIERA
Link;

TC-50PS14 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution;
600Hz Sub-field Drive;
Contrast Ratio Native
30,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel; Over 900 lines of
Moving Resolution; VIERA
Link(TM)z Sub-field Drive;
SD Photo Viewer; VIERA
Link;

TC-42PS14 Neo PDP; 1080p Resolution;
600Hz Sub-field Drive;
Contrast Ratio Native
30,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel; Over 900 lines of
Moving Resolution; VIERA
Link(TM)z Sub-field Drive;
SD Photo Viewer; VIERA
Link;

TC-50PX14 720p Resolution; 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; VIERA
Image Viewer(TM); VIERA
Link(TM); Over 900 lines of
Moving Resolution;
Contrast Ratio Native
15,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel

TC-42PX14 720p Resolution; 600Hz
Sub-field Drive; VIERA
Image Viewer(TM); VIERA
Link(TM); Over 900 lines of
Moving Resolution;
Contrast Ratio Native
15,000:1/Infinite Black
Panel

TC-L37G1 1080p Resolution; 120Hz May, 2009
Motion Picture Pro3,
VIERA Image Viewer(TM);
VIERA Link(TM); Contrast
Ratio 20,000:1; IPS Alpha
Panel with 178 degree viewing
angle; PC input; Game
Mode; 3 HDMI inputs,
Swivel Base; Narrow Bezel
Design, Fine Black Panel

TC-L32G1 1080p Resolution; 120Hz May, 2009
Motion Picture Pro3,
VIERA Image Viewer(TM);
VIERA Link(TM); Contrast
Ratio 20,000:1; IPS Alpha
Panel with 178 degree viewing
angle; PC input; Game
Mode; 3 HDMI inputs;
Swivel Base; Narrow Bezel
Design, Fine Black Panel

TC-L37S1 1080p Resolution; Motion March, 2009
Focus technology;
Intelligent Scene
Controller, VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA
Link(TM);Contrast Ratio:
15,000:1 ; IPS Alpha
Panel with 178 degree viewing
angle; PC Input; Game
Mode; 3 HDMI inputs, Fine
Black Panel

TC-L32S1 1080p Resolution; Motion March, 2009
Focus technology;
Intelligent Scene
Controller, VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA
Link(TM);Contrast Ratio:
15,000:1 ; IPS Alpha
Panel with 178 degree viewing
angle; PC Input; Game
Mode; 3 HDMI inputs, Fine
Black Panel

TC-L37X1 720p Resolution; iPod March, 2009
Entertainment Kit;
Intelligent Scene
Controller; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
Contrast Ratio 12,000:1;
PC input; Game Mode; 3
HDMI inputs, Fine Black
Panel

TC-L32X1 720p Resolution; iPod March, 2009
Entertainment Kit;
Intelligent Scene
Controller; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
Contrast Ratio 12,000:1;
PC input; Game Mode; 3
HDMI inputs, Fine Black
Panel

TC-L26X1 720p Resolution; iPod May, 2009
Entertainment Kit;
Intelligent Scene
Controller; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA Link(TM);
Contrast Ratio 12,000:1;
PC input; Game Mode; 2
HDMI inputs, Fine Black
Panel

TC-L19X1 720p Resolution; iPod August, 2009
Entertainment Kit;
Intelligent Scene
Controller; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM); VIERA Link(TM); PC
input; Game Mode; 2 HDMI
inputs, Fine Black Panel

TC-32LX14 720p Resolution;
Intelligent Scene
Controller; VIERA Image
Viewer(TM),; VIERA Link(TM);
Contrast Ratio 10,000:1;
Fine Black Panel

TC-26LX14 720p Resolution, VIERA
Image Viewer(TM); VIERA
Link(TM); Contrast Ratio
10,000:1; Fine Black
Panel
post #11 of 3994
Nice find!
post #12 of 3994
What is this Infinite Black Panel? Is that the same dynamic black layer in the VX100?
post #13 of 3994
Quote:
Originally Posted by H_Prestige View Post

What is this Infinite Black Panel?

Whatever it is, it sounds like it will give us deep, inky blacks!
post #14 of 3994
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawn1 View Post

Whatever it is, it sounds like it will give us deep, inky blacks!

Probably not much better than the 08 lineup if the contrast is listed at only 40,000:1
post #15 of 3994
Quote:
Originally Posted by H_Prestige View Post

Probably not much better than the 08 lineup if the contrast is listed at only 40,000:1

Up from the 80U's 20,000:1.

The new models have a 2,000,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio, up from 1,000,000:1 on the '08 models.

I've learned not to put too much stock into the stated contrast ratio, as it's only part of the black level equation.

Surely there are other things at work here that will give the '09 models very impressive black levels.
post #16 of 3994
I agree Shawn. Black levels will be much, much deeper than the 11G Panny's. I will bet the NeoPDP will be about the same street price as what the current prices are with the PZ800 and PZ850 displays.

Chris
post #17 of 3994
These will be on display tomorrow right? I guess we'll find out then.
post #18 of 3994
Quote:
Originally Posted by creemail View Post

I agree Shawn. Black levels will be much, much deeper than the 11G Panny's. I will bet the NeoPDP will be about the same street price as what the current prices are with the PZ800 and PZ850 displays.

Chris

Mmmmmm, not exactly. I have their spec'ed MLLs. Awaiting approval to post them.
post #19 of 3994
Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Mmmmmm, not exactly. I have their spec'ed MLLs. Awaiting approval to post them.

What's your impressions?

Chris
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Quote:
Originally Posted by creemail View Post

What's your impressions?

Chris

As far as black levels or the whole package?
post #21 of 3994
How about both?
post #22 of 3994
If the blacks aren't much better I'm picking up a cheap 2008 model now and not waiting any longer.
post #23 of 3994
Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

As far as black levels or the whole package?

Blacks, detail, smoothness, color accuracy, imaging, etc...

I know, I know you still love the 111 or 151, but do the NeoPDP's have a chance to compete in the picture quality?

Chris
post #24 of 3994
Heck, if the black levels are comparable to the 8G Kuro I'll be happy.
post #25 of 3994
well double the contrast ratio could mean a few things for black levels.

1. nothing. bear with me here. they proclaimed the panels are twice as bright, so that could be the whole improvement.

2. black levels twice as deep as the 11g's. i dont know where they measure in ftl but cut that in half to get a measurement?

regardless, i will get to see one in person in a few months so all is good. i want to know more about picture adjustments features and if i could get a good isf calibration on one of these things.
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I am wondering whether the absence of any sizes other than 54" (at least for this initial release) in the Z1 line is a strategic move to not step on the just-released VX100 lineup (which comes in 50" and 65" sizes). I realize that the two have some very different features but they are, after all, both high end plasma monitors. It is notable, of course, that the VX100 still boasts the highest contrast ratio.
post #27 of 3994
It seems the 12G Panasonics will reproduce blacks that are slightly deeper or equal to the 1G Kuro blacks.
post #28 of 3994
The 11g blacks have been measured between .009 and .015. I believe Kuros are .001. If they cut it in half it could be around .004-.005.
post #29 of 3994
Quote:
Originally Posted by creemail View Post

Blacks

Better than the current 11G series.

Quote:


detail

Same as current on some models and slightly worse on others.

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smoothness

On par with whats available today from Panasonic.

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color accuracy

Depends on the model. Overall, they are the same as what's available in the current Panasonic lineup.

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imaging

Motion resolution is definitely improved and welcomed.

Quote:


I know, I know you still love the 111 or 151, but do the NeoPDP's have a chance to compete in the picture quality?

Chris

Compete, sure. Equal or surpass, not from what I have seen on the back end.
post #30 of 3994
Quote:
Originally Posted by mnbba View Post

It seems the 12G Panasonic will reproduce blacks that are slightly deeper or equal to the 1G Kuro blacks.

That's what has been stated about the VX100. But Panny rates that panel as 60,000:1, so I'm guessing the NeoPDPs have black levels slightly higher than an 8G Kuro.
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