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post #121 of 3994
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Originally Posted by creemail View Post

I believe Pioneer is more like 3rd/4th Quarter.

Chris

Chris,

Yes, I know about the release times; what I was asking about, since Pioneer is now going to be getting glass from Panasonic, will Pioneer have any 42 and 46 inch models?
post #122 of 3994
So when do think they are going to post prices?
post #123 of 3994
I don't understand why panasonic didn't use the VX100 tech and the dynamic black layer in these consumer models. Because the VX seems like the better performer than these new NeoPDPs to be quite honest.
post #124 of 3994
The other two threads on this page - any early news on the 2009/12G panasonics? and Panasonic 2009 Displays at CES - really need to be either deleted or locked.

Having three threads on one page talking about the same exact thing is redundant, confusing and unnecessary.
post #125 of 3994
Pricing will be around the corner. I am just curious on the Z1 on what that is going to be. I would guess around $5k.

Chris
post #126 of 3994
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Originally Posted by Shawn1 View Post

The other two threads on this page - any early news on the 2009/12G panasonics? and Panasonic 2009 Displays at CES - really need to be either deleted or locked.

Having three threads on one page talking about the same exact thing is redundant, confusing and unnecessary.

I mentioned the very same thing 10 posts ago...

Chris
post #127 of 3994
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Originally Posted by creemail View Post

Pricing will be around the corner. I am just curious on the Z1 on what that is going to be. I would guess around $5k.

Chris


Do you think they will do that today or the next couple of days or in the coming weeks? I am in the market for a new 50" PZ80/85. If the list price of the new equivalent panels is lower than the MSRP of above, I may wait and get one of the new panels given that they will probably have slightly better picture and lower power consumption.
post #128 of 3994
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Originally Posted by creemail View Post

I mentioned the very same thing 10 posts ago...

Yep, I noticed only after I posted mine.

***

These are the Neo PDPs we've been talking about all last year, and now that we've been finally introduced to them it seems like some people here are disappointed in them.

I'm guessing some people expected the black levels to be close to 0fL, or at least close to absolute black. In my opinion that's just unrealistic.

Around 0.005fL black level -- which most likely these panels will produce -- are going to give us deep, rich blacks and colors. If you thought the 2008 models had good black levels, boy oh boy, you're gonna really like these.

Anyone would have to be crazy not to be satisfied with that.
post #129 of 3994
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Originally Posted by workerbee3 View Post

Do you think they will do that today or the next couple of days or in the coming weeks? I am in the market for a new 50" PZ80/85. If the list price of the new equivalent panels is lower than the MSRP of above, I may wait and get one of the new panels given that they will probably have slightly better picture and lower power consumption.

Same boat... But I always say, buy what you want NOW if you have the means... Otherwise you're always waiting.

But some of these are so close to release that waiting could mean saving up a few hundred more and getting a nicer TV.
post #130 of 3994
Since Panasonic hasn't created a feature comparison, I pulled one together from their web site and press release. All models have:
  • VIERA Image Viewer and VIERA Link
  • AR filter
  • Game mode
  • PC input
  • 100,000 hour panel life
  • 600Hz sub-field drive
Following are the features not common to all models.
Z V G S X
RF remote x
Wireless HD x
1" thick x
Swivel base x
BBE ViVA HD3D Sound x x
24P x x
VIERA CAST x x x
Deep Color / x.v.Color x x x
THX x x x ?
NeoPDP x x x x
1080p x x x x
720p x
Digital Cinema Color x
40,000:1 contrast x x x x
30,000:1 contrast x
HDMI inputs 4 4 3 3 3
65" Aug Aug
58" Aug Aug
54" Sum Jun May May
50" Jun Mar Mar Feb
46" Mar Mar
42" Mar Mar Feb
'Sum' means summer. The press release and web site are inconsistent on whether the S1 series has THX.
post #131 of 3994
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Originally Posted by spa View Post

Since Panasonic hasn't created a feature comparison, I pulled one together from their web site and press release.

Very nice post.

One more thing you could include is the thickness of the other models besides the Z1. I think some are 2" while some are thicker.
post #132 of 3994
The G series also has a 42" according to the press release.
post #133 of 3994
spa nice job!
post #134 of 3994
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Originally Posted by santori_time View Post

The G series also has a 42" according to the press release.

Corrected
post #135 of 3994
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Originally Posted by Shawn1 View Post

Yep, I noticed only after I posted mine.

***

These are the Neo PDPs we've been talking about all last year, and now that we've been finally introduced to them it seems like some people here are disappointed in them.

I'm guessing some people expected the black levels to be close to 0fL, or at least close to absolute black. In my opinion that's just unrealistic.

Around 0.005fL black level -- which most likely these panels will produce -- are going to give us deep, rich blacks and colors. If you thought the 2008 models had good black levels, boy oh boy, you're gonna really like these.

Anyone would have to be crazy not to be satisfied with that.

What makes you think they'll be .005? That would basically be 8G Kuro level, which we know they're not. The 11G pannys were measure anywhere from .009-.015 for the 30,000:1 models. At most I'm expecting .007-.008 for the NeoPDP. I wouldn't be surprised if even Samsung beats them this year.
post #136 of 3994
Quote:
Originally Posted by spa View Post

Since Panasonic hasn't created a feature comparison, I pulled one together from their web site and press release. All models have:
  • VIERA Image Viewer and VIERA Link
  • AR filter
  • Game mode
  • PC input
  • 100,000 hour panel life
  • 600Hz sub-field drive
  • Deep Color / x.v.Color
Following are the features not in common to all models.
Z V G S X
RF remote x
Wireless HD x
1" thick x
Swivel base x
BBE ViVA HD3D Sound x x
24P x x
VIERA CAST x x x
THX x x x
NeoPDP x x x x
1080p x x x x
720p x
Digital Cinema Color x
40,000:1 contrast x x x x
30,000:1 contrast x
HDMI inputs 4 4 3 3 3
Available screen sizes:
Z: 54"
V: 65", 58", 54", 50"
G: 54", 50", 46"
S: 65", 58", 54", 50", 46", 42"
X: 50", 42"

so the top of the line Z series only comes in 54"?

that's bad news, and pretty weird as well. Why wouldn't they release it in different sizes?

i'm in the market for a 58" or 60" inch next summer.
post #137 of 3994
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Originally Posted by mkoesel View Post

Very nice post.

One more thing you could include is the thickness of the other models besides the Z1. I think some are 2" while some are thicker.

If you know where to get that info I'll add it.
post #138 of 3994
Looks like they are releasing the 720p models in a few weeks (February). I wonder if the 720p units will have the same black level of 2008 1080p models (.009) since they have the same 30k:1 contrast ratio. Since they are not NEO I guess they won't have the improved brightness or power consumption either.
post #139 of 3994
Plasma Line-Up!



High Picture Quality

* Moving Picture Resolution 1080 Lines with 600 Hz Sub-field Drive
* Over 2,000,000:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio (Native 40,000:1)
* THX® Certified Display
* 24p Cinematic Playback
* Deep Color
* x.v.Color

Smart Networking

* Cable Free Design with WirelessHD™
* VIERA CAST™
* VIERA Image Viewer™ (JPEG/AVCHD/MPEG2)
* VIERA Link™ (Connectivity with Network Camera)
* 4 HDMI Inputs
* PC Input

Others

* RF Remote Controller
* AR Filter
* BBE® ViVA HD3D™ Sound
* Game Mode
* Ultra Thin 1" Design



High Picture Quality

* Moving Picture Resolution 1080 Lines with 600 Hz Sub-field Drive
* Over 2,000,000:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio (Native 40,000:1)
* THX® Certified Display
* Digital Cinema Color*1
* 24p Cinematic Playback
* Deep Color
* x.v.Color

Smart Networking

* VIERA CAST™
* VIERA Image Viewer™ (JPEG/AVCHD/MPEG2)
* VIERA Link™ (Connectivity with Network Camera)
* 4 HDMI Inputs
* PC Input

Others

* AR Filter
* BBE® ViVA HD3D™ Sound
* Game Mode
* Up to 100,000 Hour Panel Life*2
* VIERA TOUGH PANEL
* One Sheet of Glass Design





* Moving Picture Resolution 1080 Lines with 600 Hz Sub-field Drive
* Over 2,000,000:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio (Native 40,000:1)
* THX® Certified Display
* Deep Color
* x.v.Color

Smart Networking

* VIERA CAST™
* VIERA Image Viewer™ (JPEG/AVCHD/MPEG2)
* VIERA Link™ (Connectivity with Network Camera)
* 3 HDMI Inputs
* PC Input

Others

* AR Filter
* Game Mode
* Up to 100,000 Hour Panel Life*1
* VIERA TOUGH PANEL



High Picture Quality

* Moving Picture Resolution 1080 Lines with 600 Hz Sub-field Drive
* Over 2,000,000:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio (Native 40,000:1)

Smart Networking

* VIERA Image Viewer™ (JPEG)
* VIERA Link™
* 3 HDMI Inputs
* PC Input

Others

* AR Filter
* Game Mode
* Up to 100,000 Hour Panel Life*1
* VIERA TOUGH PANEL



High Picture Quality

* 600 Hz Sub-field Drive
* 30,000:1 Native Contrast Ratio

Smart Networking

* VIERA Image Viewer™ (JPEG)
* VIERA Link™
* 3 HDMI Inputs
* PC Input

Others

* AR Filter
* Game Mode
* Up to 100,000 Hour Panel Life*1
* VIERA TOUGH PANEL

Chris
post #140 of 3994
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Originally Posted by spa View Post

Since Panasonic hasn't created a feature comparison, I pulled one together from their web site and press release.

The press release mentions THX certification in their description of the S series but it is absent from the list of features on Panasonic's web site.

I hope they didn't do something like intentionally mess up the color gamut on the S series and remove the controls to fix it just to create a performance gap between these and the THX certified G models since the only real difference between the two from the specs is the networking features in the G.
post #141 of 3994
Quote:
Originally Posted by H_Prestige View Post

What makes you think they'll be .005? That would basically be 8G Kuro level, which we know they're not. The 11G pannys were measure anywhere from .009-.015 for the 30,000:1 models. At most I'm expecting .007-.008 for the NeoPDP. I wouldn't be surprised if even Samsung beats them this year.

Let's wait for more informations and measurements. Black levels around 0.07 or 0.08 represents very slightly improvement in reproduction of black in comparison to the current top full hd Viera models (except PZ800, with 0.015fL) and i doubt that Panasonic was so shy in the improvement of black levels.
post #142 of 3994
So is anyone brave enough to answer the real question: does 24p cinematic playback mean refresh at 72 or more of the same 48 refresh flicker TV? If anyone at CES comes into contact with Panasonic people ask them that question a million times if you have to!
post #143 of 3994
Chris,

do they not give expected life for the z series panels?

thanks
Miles
post #144 of 3994
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Originally Posted by mwan View Post

Chris,

do they not give expected life for the z series panels?

thanks
Miles

Nothing that I see is posted at this time, but it is not a big deal as the minimum lamp hours on today's flat panels are over 60,000 hours, which is nearly 10 years before any diminish in brightness.

Chris
post #145 of 3994
Quote:
Originally Posted by Artwood View Post

So is anyone brave enough to answer the real question: does 24p cinematic playback mean refresh at 72 or more of the same 48 refresh flicker TV?

If it was the same old 48hz, it would be on more than just the V and Z models. Hopefully. Since it was so widely panned in reviews, I'm sure they've improved the 24p capability this time.
post #146 of 3994
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Originally Posted by H_Prestige View Post

What makes you think they'll be .005?

Because a 0.007/0.008fL measurement for the '09 models is too laughably subtle compared with last year's models.

This is the Neo PDP we're talking about here.

And even though there may be speculation that the black levels of these Neo PDPs fail to at least compare to the black levels of the 8G Kuro... I'm sorry but I don't believe that.

The 8G Kuro is 2007 technology, folks -- that was quite a while ago.
post #147 of 3994
Also keep in mind that the

V-series is available in:
65-inch class (64.8" measured diagonally)
58-inch class (58" measured diagonally)
54-inch class (54" measured diagonally)
50-inch class (49.9" measured diagonally)

S1 is available in:
65-inch class (64.7" measured diagonally)
58-inch class (58" measured diagonally)
54-inch class (54" measured diagonally)
50-inch class (49.9" measured diagonally)
46-inch class (46" measured diagonally)
42-inch class (41.6" measured diagonally)

There happens to be a typo on the graphics.
Chris
post #148 of 3994
Looks like the S series is going to be the best value. From the picture it looks exactly like the 80u except with a smaller bezel.
post #149 of 3994
Again Panasonic is competing against the 55" LED LCDs, as they were with the 46" models. Panasonic is going to have its hands full with Samsung!

Chris
post #150 of 3994
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Originally Posted by StinDaWg View Post

Looks like the S series is going to be the best value. From the picture it looks exactly like the 80u except with a smaller bezel.

Agreed, and it is also the first NEO to be released, now the question is what part of March will they come out in and at what price. (because I want one as soon as I can get it)
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