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post #151 of 3995
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Originally Posted by Shawn1 View Post

And even though there may be speculation that the black levels of these Neo PDPs fail to at least compare to the black levels of the 8G Kuro... I'm sorry but I don't believe that.

Speculation eh? Here is a hint for you....

Do you see Panasonic doing any heavy marketing for the black levels on these new panels? I promise you that if they were any significant and groundbreaking improvement over their previous generations, their marketing department would be all over it. Remember what they did for the 65VX100
post #152 of 3995
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Originally Posted by StinDaWg View Post

Looks like the S series is going to be the best value. From the picture it looks exactly like the 80u except with a smaller bezel.

Yep. Looking forward to the 42" model here.
post #153 of 3995
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Yep. Looking forward to the 42" model here.

Are these NEO plasmas going to weigh any less than previous models or can you not disclose that info?
post #154 of 3995
However, I don't see where the S nor X series have Deep Color / x.v.Color ?

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Originally Posted by spa View Post

Since Panasonic hasn't created a feature comparison, I pulled one together from their web site and press release. All models have:
  • VIERA Image Viewer and VIERA Link
  • AR filter
  • Game mode
  • PC input
  • 100,000 hour panel life
  • 600Hz sub-field drive
  • Deep Color / x.v.Color
Following are the features not common to all models.
Z V G S X
RF remote x
Wireless HD x
1" thick x
Swivel base x
BBE ViVA HD3D Sound x x
24P x x
VIERA CAST x x x
THX x x x ?
NeoPDP x x x x
1080p x x x x
720p x
Digital Cinema Color x
40,000:1 contrast x x x x
30,000:1 contrast x
HDMI inputs 4 4 3 3 3
65" Aug Aug
58" Aug Aug
54" Sum Jun May May
50" Jun Mar Mar Feb
46" Mar Mar
42" Mar Mar Feb
'Sum' means summer. The press release and web site are inconsistent on whether the S1 series has THX.
post #155 of 3995
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Originally Posted by creemail View Post

Again Panasonic is competing against the 55" LED LCDs, as they were with the 46" models. Panasonic is going to have its hands full with Samsung!

Chris

Samsung is the 800lb gorilla. They are the largest electronics company in the world. They have tons of money to spend in any direction. They have a stated obsession to dominate the flat panel market. They are laready the largest flat panel supplier in the world. They have a singular cultural-based focus so that winning is part of the fabric of each employees life.

I have worked with these people in their US HQ in NJ and they are serious as a heart attack. 99% of their employees there are Korean even the secretaries that they fly over to live and work here. Who does that kind of stuff? Only an obsessed company that wants to develop a single-minded focus to win.
post #156 of 3995
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by H_Prestige View Post

What makes you think they'll be .005? That would basically be 8G Kuro level, which we know they're not. The 11G pannys were measure anywhere from .009-.015 for the 30,000:1 models. At most I'm expecting .007-.008 for the NeoPDP. I wouldn't be surprised if even Samsung beats them this year.

Classic avs.Lots of pissin in the wind over a few thousandths of a ftL.
For the record no one posting on this forum has given any solid measurements for the new panels.Those throwing around statements about performance, well post history's show they are about as reliable as a coin toss.
YMMV
post #157 of 3995
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Originally Posted by yzzub View Post

However, I don't see where the S nor X series have Deep Color / x.v.Color ?

Hmmm, good point. I saw it as an HDMI 1.3a feature and thus "there" on all models, but it doesn't say that. I'll adjust the chart and perhaps someone can comment.
post #158 of 3995
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Originally Posted by StinDaWg View Post

Are these NEO plasmas going to weigh any less than previous models or can you not disclose that info?

Yes they will
post #159 of 3995
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Yep. Looking forward to the 42" model here.

Will this be a purchase for your daughter, what appeals to you about it, how much lighter will it be than the 2008 model, and do you know how much brighter can it be set to, for all those whining store display moths?
post #160 of 3995
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

Will this be a purchase for your daughter

No.

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what appeals to you about it, how much lighter will it be than the 2008 model

I need a 42" panel and I don't care for LCD, Samsung, LG, or Vizio displays in my home.

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and do you know how much brighter can it be set to, for all those whining store display moths?

REALLY bright.
post #161 of 3995
Hey D...Any black levels specs you can post?

Chris
post #162 of 3995
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Originally Posted by VFR View Post

You claim to have them.
Put up or shut up.

When I get the nod to post those numbers I will. You would understand/comprehend what I'm talking about if you actually had real contacts @ Panasonic instead of using there front end website


At any rate, the numbers that have been posted are not that far off from what I have.....and based on measuring equipment variance, will fall into already said numbers
post #163 of 3995
This thread is starting to fill with meaningless speculation.
post #164 of 3995
Thread Starter 
LOL, yeah figured as much.

With how far of the mark you guesses are, it would seem you might need a little help with your fortune telling.Feel free to PM me and I'll see what I can do to help you out.
post #165 of 3995
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

No.

I need a 42" panel and I don't care for LCD, Samsung, LG, or Vizio displays in my home.

REALLY bright.

My viewing room has a fair amount of ambient light. Will I be able to use the extra brightness without shortening the life of the panel?
post #166 of 3995
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Speculation eh? Here is a hint for you....

Do you see Panasonic doing any heavy marketing for the black levels on these new panels? I promise you that if they were any significant and groundbreaking improvement over their previous generations, their marketing department would be all over it. Remember what they did for the 65VX100


I agree with you. I think that would be #1 over the wireless crap they are doing.

LOL, look at the panny website for the new TVs. It says Infinite black panel. Are these guys referring to the darkness of the plastic frame???
post #167 of 3995
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post


I need a 42" panel and I don't care for LCD, Samsung, LG, or Vizio displays in my home.
.

Thanks. I take it this means that Pioneer will not have 42 or 46 inch models, in their new lineup. Are they demonstrating their new models at CES.?

I have seen absolutely no coverage of them, even though all the other major players displays are being widely reported on.
post #168 of 3995
So I guess that means no 42" pioneer...
post #169 of 3995
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Originally Posted by VFR View Post

LOL, yeah figured as much.

With how far of the mark you guesses are

Really? Hmm, I can recall me stating that there would be slim and "fat" Neo PDPs. I can also recall me stating that they would tag a 2,000,000 dynamic contrast ratio on these models.

Let's see what else....

I can recall me stating that there was some good news and bad news regarding the 12G Panasonics and gave a few details on both accounts ( plant no. 5 coming online early, one of the current plants retrofitted to produced NeoPDPs, and the black levels would not be equal or better than the 9G Kuros).

BTW, you have a PM.
post #170 of 3995
Now us panny guys will have some fire power against all the "my kuro is darker than your panny" threads. We now will have "My panny's frame is darker than your kuro's frame."
post #171 of 3995
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

Are they demonstrating their new models at CES.?

No 10G Kuro info on the floor of CES 2009.
post #172 of 3995
Where is Rysa4??? I would love to here his take on these panels. Ditto from rogo.
post #173 of 3995
Are some of these panels on display over there?
post #174 of 3995
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Originally Posted by BrownTown View Post

I agree with you. I think that would be #1 over the wireless crap they are doing.

LOL, look at the panny website for the new TVs. It says Infinite black panel. Are these guys referring to the darkness of the plastic frame???


Then again, it could be that Panasonic wants dealers to stand half a chance selling the remaining '08 models that don't have infinite blacks.
post #175 of 3995
The V series has listed:

Digital Cinema Color*1 - *1 VIERA emulates the color of digital cinema projectors currently in theaters.

Would this be equivalent of DCI standards?
post #176 of 3995
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

No 10G Kuro info on the floor of CES 2009.

Any idea of when we can expect it?
post #177 of 3995
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

No 10G Kuro info on the floor of CES 2009.

Thanks.

I just came across a breaking PC Mag. report that stated that there were no new Kuros mentioned at the press conference. I hope that is because they do no have the new glass available yet. I hope that is the case. We need their engineering in the game, to keep the pressure on the competition to improve their product standards. I think we owe a lot of the black level improvements, in other plasmas and even LCDs, to having Pioneer raising the bar.
post #178 of 3995
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

plant no. 5 coming online early, one of the current plants retrofitted to produced NeoPDPs

Just to point out: fifth pdp plant has always been scheduled for May 2009 opening. This info has been available since January 10, 2007.

http://panasonic.co.jp/corp/news/off...n070110-2.html
post #179 of 3995
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Originally Posted by spa View Post

If you know where to get that info I'll add it.

Well as specified in the press release, the V series are 2 inches thick. You could at least include that data in the table, if you should feel so inclinded.

I realize there is no further info given on the thickness of the other models, but it seems safe to assume that they are thicker than two inches. If I were to speculate I would say that they are marginally (< 1 inch) thinner than todays displays which are about 4 inches thick.
post #180 of 3995
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Really? Hmm, I can recall me stating that there would be slim and "fat" Neo PDPs. I can also recall me stating that they would tag a 2,000,000 dynamic contrast ratio on these models.

Let's see what else....

I can recall me stating that there was some good news and bad news regarding the 12G Panasonics and gave a few details on both accounts ( plant no. 5 coming online early, one of the current plants retrofitted to produced NeoPDPs, and the black levels would not be equal or better than the 9G Kuros).

BTW, you have a PM.

Will there be single sheet of glass Panasonics (like the Pioneer)?

- Rich
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