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post #1 of 24
1/10/09 at 7:44am
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New HDMI specs due first half of 2009. New connector means it's time to upgrade again!


Networking
Consolidation of HD video, HD audio and now high speed data with the addition on Ethernet in the HDMI cable.

Audio Return Channel
Elimination of a S/PDIF cable by allowing for a TV to send audio streams upstream to an A/V receiver for processing and playback over the HDMI cable.

Performance
4K x 2K and 3D are high performance features to be met by increasing the upper limit of the HDMI link.

HD In Your Car
New connector specification for the auto industry as the world's largest auto makers move to digital HD video and audio for 21st century cars with HDMI.

Smaller connector
New, smaller 19-pin connector
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post #2 of 24
1/10/09 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by Cattledog View Post

New HDMI specs due first half of 2009. New connector means it's time to upgrade again!


Networking
Consolidation of HD video, HD audio and now high speed data with the addition on Ethernet in the HDMI cable.

what's the anticipated application for this?
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post #3 of 24
1/10/09 at 7:52am
Hopefully there's some plan that will let new source devices connect to devices with the older connectors and versions or people are going to be very angry.

HDMI.org seems pretty silent yet, but I saw this same info on a link from their site, so I think this info is reliable.
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post #4 of 24
1/10/09 at 8:01am
I am good no upgrades are going to happen for me, but I will watch and see what happens with this.

Rahimlee54
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post #5 of 24
1/10/09 at 9:26am
Oh no, I smell a "Why You Don't Need HDMI 1.4 Thread" coming
It will be a great place to post and justify your Receiver/Prepro purchase that has HDMI 1.3X and to speak of the evils of the new technology, spread some falsehoods. Should be a real winning thread I see the Anthem guys coming.
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post #6 of 24
1/10/09 at 9:50am
Man, you need to get over that thread, B&W. Just like the Japanese and Americans are friendly in spite of bombing each other during WW II. Time to move on
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post #7 of 24
1/10/09 at 9:55am
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Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman View Post

Man, you need to get over that thread, B&W. Just like the Japanese and Americans are friendly in spite of bombing each other during WW II. Time to move on

I didn't know that there was one already

Just trying to stay with the facts...well and a little joking to keep it light
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post #8 of 24
1/10/09 at 10:09am
Jokes are always appreciated in this economy. Unemployed and looking here. Seems like if you know J2EE or C#.NET you are employable, and if you are a C++ guy you are a bum
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post #9 of 24
1/10/09 at 10:20am
HDMI 1.3 was not the ''end all be all'' alot of people taught it was... Some people even taught that the earth would stop spinning after HDMI 1.3...

Receivers/displays/players manufacturers want to sell new products every year, and HDMI iterations are one of many things to push sales... That's the only way they can stay in business... by pushing new products every year.
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post #10 of 24
1/10/09 at 10:24am
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Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman View Post

Jokes are always appreciated in this economy. Unemployed and looking here. Seems like if you know J2EE or C#.NET you are employable, and if you are a C++ guy you are a bum

Sorry to hear that. Yesterday I had to layoff an employee because of economics .

You should check out the Traffic Control industry. They still program in C++. As I remember, Skyline and Safetran is in your area. Maybe you should call them?
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post #11 of 24
1/10/09 at 10:28am
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Originally Posted by LEVESQUE View Post

HDMI 1.3 was not the ''end all be all'' alot of people taught it was... Some people even taught that the earth would stop spinning after HDMI 1.3...

Receivers/displays/players manufacturers want to sell new products every year, and HDMI iterations are one of many things to push sales... That's the only way they can stay in business... by pushing new products every year.

I am glad to see you are a proponent of new HDMI technology
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post #12 of 24
1/10/09 at 10:43am
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Originally Posted by B&W700guy View Post

Sorry to hear that. Yesterday I had to layoff an employee because of economics .

You should check out the Traffic Control industry. They still program in C++. As I remember, Skyline and Safetran is in your area. Maybe you should call them?

Funny you say that, I actually did inteview with Skyline a few years back. Cool company. I guess I was not what they were looking for. Thanks for the info.
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post #13 of 24
1/10/09 at 10:46am
My god. When will it end?
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post #14 of 24
1/10/09 at 10:51am
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Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman View Post

Funny you say that, I actually did inteview with Skyline a few years back. Cool company. I guess I was not what they were looking for. Thanks for the info.

They were one of my competitors in a past life. Good company, you should give them a call again
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post #15 of 24
1/10/09 at 10:52am
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Originally Posted by RequiemX View Post

My god. When will it end?

LOL...It will never end.
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post #16 of 24
1/10/09 at 11:30am
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Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman View Post

Hopefully there's some plan that will let new source devices connect to devices with the older connectors and versions or people are going to be very angry.

HDMI.org seems pretty silent yet, but I saw this same info on a link from their site, so I think this info is reliable.

Hopefully simple adapter will do?
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post #17 of 24
1/10/09 at 11:45am
They should just make the next rev able to cram every single signal present in the system, into one cable It would make connection nicer.

This include power and amplified audio
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post #18 of 24
1/10/09 at 12:05pm
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Originally Posted by Cattledog View Post

New HDMI specs due first half of 2009. New connector means it's time to upgrade again!

Great. Now I can delay my upgrades yet again while the bugs get worked out of this new version.
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post #19 of 24
1/10/09 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by juancmjr View Post

Great. Now I can delay my upgrades yet again while the bugs get worked out of this new version.

HDMI 1.3x still has issues. You could be waiting a long time to upgrade if you want the bugs worked out of the new spec. It may not be available for say, 6 months and then take another year or so to get debugged. At that rate, you may never upgrade.
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post #20 of 24
1/10/09 at 12:23pm
It would have been acceptable to me for HDMI to have chosen a more stable transport such as giga bit ethernet, and then grafted their standard onto that.

I am fine with them making any changes they want, as long as it's still backwards compatible though. Perhaps the plug change does not change any critical pin outs, but deals with complaints over the current plug.
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post #21 of 24
1/10/09 at 12:32pm
HDMI has been a trainwreck since day 1.. As long as there is a simple backward compatibility plan I'd welcome a new physical connector with open arms... Primarily one that is more robust and with a mechanical latching type clip
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post #22 of 24
1/10/09 at 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman View Post

I am fine with them making any changes they want, as long as it's still backwards compatible though. Perhaps the plug change does not change any critical pin outs

I agree. I am sure they will have a cable or adapter with a Legacy connector at one end and the new connecter at the other. They will pick-off the signals that are supported by the legacy HDMI.
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post #23 of 24
1/10/09 at 12:50pm
For me, I have had no problems with HDMI handshaking, Cables, connections, ect. All my codecs and video perform with in spec. I have a DVI, Rear Projection Monitor. Never had one problem with my Oppo, HR21, Bluray player. All so messed around with my 30 inch LCD /HDMI monitor. No problems there ether.

Hdmi 1.3, 1.2, 1.1 and my DVI work all together as advertised. I would expect the same with the next generation product
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post #24 of 24
1/11/09 at 1:19am
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Originally Posted by Cattledog View Post

New HDMI specs due first half of 2009. New connector means it's time to upgrade again!
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Smaller connector
New, smaller 19-pin connector

Yipee!! Did they finally realize the first connectors were too fragile, too insecure, and too small? Nope, I guess not, they made it smaller. Why they don't just use a DB25 (VGA) type connector is beyond me. Oh wait, then you could just use any VGA monitor cable, it'd be much harder to sell $10 cables for $100, and it wouldn't be 'plug and play' because you'd actually have to unscrew it. That could take some brains, turning a knob.
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