Originally Posted by 6athome
with the pioneer kuro the blacks are not as black as the bezel around it when the lights are off.
the samsung 81f is!
Oh by the way I heard pioneer is going to stop making plasma?like the etzel it must be great?
Ohhh,, I almost forgot,,, just for you,,,,,I will also let Home Theater Mag know that they were wrong when they picked the Kuro as having the best black levels over the Samsung.
I will also let them know that you have determined the Kuro to be an Edsel,,, Im sorry, I ment to spell it "etzel".
Davyo(the text below was taken from Home Theater Mag panel shoot-out)
Home Theatre Mag shoot out. Guess who won?
The Kuro in the new Home Theater Mag Feb 09 shoot out won hands down. They preferred (as well as the new Sound and Vision) the XBR8 over the 950. The best bang for you buck? The Panny.
Kuro also just won the Product of the Year in S&V.
"Ranking the Sony and Panny in the second and third spots were more problematic - Each had strength's and weaknesses. That made it a toss up for me in terms of performance" If money weren't an object, I'd go for the pioneer. If budgets were tight, I'd go with the Panny. The LCDs were both impressive, but neither one beat the Pioneer.
"Overall, the Pionner Plasma outperformed all others. The TV's depper black levels, truer gradations of color, and excellent handling of standard def content, set it above the rest.
"The Pioneer looked great on pretty much everything. I want one! One of my TVs is a well calibrated rear pro CRT, so I'm pretty well aquainted with deep blacks. The pioneer satisfied me and then some, thanks to it's fantastic detail".
"It's not surprising that the Pio came out on top for me. You simply can't trip it up. Every set here had flaws that could be drawn out consistently with certain types of program material, except the pioneer."
"The Panny was the underdog being compared with TVs that were twice and almost three times it 2500 price tag. It's performance was only slightly off the level of the other TVs".
They all were in love with the Sony XBR8 saying it produced fantastic black levels and the same par with the Kuro.
Rich blacks and fine shadow detail, superb resolution, minor video processing issues, poor off-axis viewining
Blacks, Blacks, Blacks. Accurate color, crisp resolution, consistent with all programming material, video processing short of the best
Good blacks, color, and resolution, superior video processing, poor off-axis performance
THX certfied, good color and impressive detail, at it's best with 1080p source