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post #31 of 174
All these break-in v.s. no break-in arguments make since and I can see why some prefer to not use the break-in images.

To me it just seems logical that if we follow a break-in process, using these or other image files, all plasma phosphors will get even usage rather than the random phosphor usage from just normal TV viewing.

If you just watch normally it makes since that some phosphors would not get the same work out as they would get with a color file image break-in period.

So I will use these images so my set can start out with an even plasma phosphor break-in... I'll just not be in a hurry and give my set some rest so I don't overwork or overheat the unit...

To be honest, I'm not sure if it really makes a difference, but to me it will and that's all that counts when it comes down to it...

YMMV.
Dennis
post #32 of 174
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Originally Posted by dlt123me View Post

All these break-in v.s. no break-in arguments make since and I can see why some prefer to not use the break-in images.

To me it just seems logical that if we follow a break-in process, using these or other image files, all plasma phosphors will get even usage rather than the random phosphor usage from just normal TV viewing.

If you just watch normally it makes since that some phosphors would not get the same work out as they would get with a color file image break-in period.

So I will use these images so my set can start out with an even plasma phosphor break-in... I'll just not be in a hurry and give my set some rest so I don't overwork or overheat the unit...

To be honest, I'm not sure if it really makes a difference, but to me it will and that's all that counts when it comes down to it...

YMMV.
Dennis

I think PooperScooper (aka Larry) put it best...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post15534058
post #33 of 174
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Originally Posted by RYAXIN View Post

While I did not use the break in dvd but rather took the cautious approach of lowering the contrast and brightness and was careful not to leave static images for a lengthy period of time, I certainly don't see any harm in using it to break in the plasma evenly. If it does not harm the plasma and if it is used wisely then I say it's a great tool to own.

I just don't understand the whole rapid break-in process. When I spend thousands of dollars for a toy, this is a significant expenditure for me so I tend to baby, be rather cautious with the item until I become more familiar with its operation and care.

Of course I approach my hands-on use of HIGH-technology from an IT professional's point of view and have trained myself not to hack-my-way-through the process.

I know most of the truly knowledgeable A/V professionals in this Forum do not use the Break-in DVD with their own PDPs, but what I don't know is why they don't speak up and dissuade others from doing so? My guess is such talk is bad for business.
post #34 of 174
I still recommend using the break in disk .

I posted my feelings and philosophy on this subject a while back.

here is that post:

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Originally Posted by chadmak09 View Post

No need to get into that "break-in or not to break-in" discussion.

I agree with you when it comes to alot of what you say..

Manufacturers don't tell people to use these break-in disks/images.

Its just something that a small group (like you said) does in order to break-in the pixels uniformally and to speed up the break-in process.

noone has to do this.
Its just what some of us choose to do and have had very good results doing.

IMO, there is nothing wrong with just watching your plasma as soon as you get it (with responsibility of course).
Heck, this is what it is made for .

I just recommend the break-in images/disk because I have had such a great experience doing so.
There have been times that I have fallen asleep and left the TV guide page/dvd menu/game on the screen for as long as 10 hours. And I never even saw a hint of IR.

Was the Break-in images/DVD responsible for that? maybe, maybe not.
Heck, it could just be that the Kuro's are just that good at battling IR/burn.
I dunno.
All I know is something worked, so I continue to do what I have been doing and use the break-in DVD/images and reccommend people to use it.

but that is not to say that there is anything wrong with just watching the set as soon as you get it or that you will not have the same results I have had without using the break-in DVD/images.

-Chad
post #35 of 174
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

If you want to hasten the initial burn off, just run white screen at high contrast for some amount of time. The easiest thing to do is just be sensible - watch and enjoy your plasma and don't worry. You really have to work at burn-in.

larry

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post15522297
Both white screen and scolling feature will provide the same results if this method is chosen.

I agree with Chadmak in that if there is no harm in using it and it works then why not? So long as the phosphors break in evenly then all is good.

Some prefer the images while others don't. There is no right or wrong way about it.
post #36 of 174
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Originally Posted by RYAXIN View Post

if there is no harm in using it

Good point, so where is the empirical research to support the value in using the Break-in DVD?

If this thing is so great... why doesn’t Pioneer, Panasonic, Samsung, LG, Vizio, or any manufacturer recommend using it?

Why don't any of this Forum's "heavyweights," sans one, use it themselves?
post #37 of 174
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

All the images i'm currently using are from the first link below, and next i'll poke around the 2nd link when i have a lot of time to kill. It seems that the only resolution that completely filled my whole screen are the ones that are 1920x1080 so i download them in that format if there is a choice. I'm also using them with my picture slideshow screen saver for my widescreen PC monitor. There are various categories on the left of the page but i like the Landscapes, Beaches, Sunsets, and Cityscapes images. My GF likes the Nature images.

http://www.freehdwallpapers.com/category/Landscapes/

http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper_b...ads/date/hdtv/

Wow! These are great! Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for the links. I'll look for the 1920x1080 images, but if I find some I really like in a smaller size, I'll see how successfully I can upscale them in Photoshop.

Edit: Say, I noticed these each have a little credit on the bottom left edge. Not to be overly paranoid about BI/IR, but are you cropping these out before you use them, or do you have an overscan setting on your TV that pushes them outside of the frame of your TV? It would be nice to have the beauty of the photo unmarred by the graphic regardless.
post #38 of 174
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

Good point, so where is the empirical research to support the value in using the Break-in DVD?

If this thing is so great... why doesn't Pioneer, Panasonic, Samsung, LG, Vizio, or any manufacturer recommend using it?

Why don't any of this Forum's "heavyweights," sans one, use it themselves?

Many users have reported using the break in dvd without any issues, that should be proof enough I think.... am I missing something?

As I have stated before, I personaly don't think it is required, I did without and it all turned out well. I just don't see how using these images can be bad to begin with? If someone thinks it helps out the break in process for their set and no harm is done then why not?
post #39 of 174
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

I cannot understand the whole break-in DVD / slideshow static image mania. Raise the contrast level for my new PDP and run it non-stop for hundreds of hours... I think not.

Why don't people just watch full screen content for a few hundred hours?

+1

This break in thread is just plain silly.

It is best to simply follow Panasonic's break in advice. The manufacturer is the expert as they designed, developed and built their own product.

If you really feel the need to 'break in' your TV (gawd knows why...) just display a single even neutral light grey still picture. When the screen saver kicks in, this image will revert to a mid grey, ensuring that the R,G and B elements are driven evenly at the same intensity. No need to display colours.

Just remember, 100hours 'run in' using special slides, is 100hours less program viewing time before the TV wears out, and 100hours of wasted electricity, and 100hours of unnecessary additional greenhouse gas produced.

post #40 of 174
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Originally Posted by Pepster returns View Post

+1

This break in thread is just plain silly.

It is best to simply follow Panasonic's break in advice. The manufacturer is the expert as they designed, developed and built their own product.

If you really feel the need to 'break in' your TV (gawd knows why...) just display a single even neutral light grey still picture. When the screen saver kicks in, this image will revert to a mid grey, ensuring that the R,G and B elements are driven evenly at the same intensity. No need to display colours.

Just remember, 100hours 'run in' using special slides, is 100hours less program viewing time before the TV wears out, and 100hours of wasted electricity, and 100hours of unnecessary additional greenhouse gas produced.




There is no right or wrong way in how a break in is to be performed.

Every method if it works is considered correct.
post #41 of 174
Copied the images into an SD card and the TV says cannot read file. I can view it on my PC. I viewed another SD card on the TV - so the SC card slot works. Also, I was able to view those 20 break-in images from the website of Evangelos Angelides. So, how do i get these 120 images to work ?????????
post #42 of 174
...see page 1 of this thread, post #17 and 18.
They may help.

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Originally Posted by rintu View Post

Copied the images into an SD card and the TV says cannot read file. I can view it on my PC. I viewed another SD card on the TV - so the SC card slot works. Also, I was able to view those 20 break-in images from the website of Evangelos Angelides. So, how do i get these 120 images to work ?????????
post #43 of 174
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Originally Posted by rintu View Post

Copied the images into an SD card and the TV says cannot read file. I can view it on my PC. I viewed another SD card on the TV - so the SC card slot works. Also, I was able to view those 20 break-in images from the website of Evangelos Angelides. So, how do i get these 120 images to work ?????????

webapalooza is aware of this and he is working on fixing it. Stay tuned...
post #44 of 174
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Originally Posted by yzzub View Post

...see page 1 of this thread, post #17 and 18.
They may help.

Count me in on the webapalooza fix too; I've tried everything with no luck. Thought it was me at first
post #45 of 174
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Originally Posted by darklordjames View Post

Command prompt:
ren *.jpeg *.jpg

Done.

Awesome

Man, the command prompt is a lost treasure.
post #46 of 174
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

All the images i'm currently using are from the first link below, and next i'll poke around the 2nd link when i have a lot of time to kill. It seems that the only resolution that completely filled my whole screen are the ones that are 1920x1080 so i download them in that format if there is a choice. I'm also using them with my picture slideshow screen saver for my widescreen PC monitor. There are various categories on the left of the page but i like the Landscapes, Beaches, Sunsets, and Cityscapes images. My GF likes the Nature images.

http://www.freehdwallpapers.com/category/Landscapes/

http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper_b...ads/date/hdtv/


Thanks for those links! Gorgeous pictures!
post #47 of 174
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Hammie View Post

Any reasons why my Panny 850 cannot recognize yours but the "original" ones from the other site work just fine?

That issue has been fixed in the new version of the images I just uploaded. Without going into boring technical detail, all JPG images are not created equally. There are different "flavors" of JPG, and plasma TVs (or the Panasonic at least) is very finicky about the exact format of the image files. Digital cameras are the same way (try saving any old JPG file off the internet to a memory card and then sticking it into your digital camera. Odds are that the camera will not be able to display it on the LCD screen.)

I collaborated with another user who has a Panasonic and we worked out the proper format that the images needed to be in, so if you download the latest version of my images they should work. If not, let me know.
post #48 of 174
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SOG9 View Post

on the Pioneer plasmas, there is an approximate seven second delay between the images when switching from one image to the next

Wow -- really? I wonder why? It's certainly not because it takes 7 seconds to load the images into memory -- the burn-in images are very small, only 33K each! Might there be a setting where you can adjust the delay between images?
post #49 of 174
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by webapalooza View Post

That issue has been fixed in the new version of the images I just uploaded.

Sorry -- forgot to repost the link! Here it is:

http://www.webapalooza.com/plasma/
post #50 of 174
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Originally Posted by webapalooza View Post

That issue has been fixed in the new version of the images I just uploaded. Without going into boring technical detail, all JPG images are not created equally. There are different "flavors" of JPG, and plasma TVs (or the Panasonic at least) is very finicky about the exact format of the image files. Digital cameras are the same way (try saving any old JPG file off the internet to a memory card and then sticking it into your digital camera. Odds are that the camera will not be able to display it on the LCD screen.)

I collaborated with another user who has a Panasonic and we worked out the proper format that the images needed to be in, so if you download the latest version of my images they should work. If not, let me know.

That user was me!

Thanks again for the effort you put forth on getting these working.
post #51 of 174
A little feedback - the new/revised images work just fine in my 850; Thanks (original version did not).
post #52 of 174
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Skidpad View Post

A little feedback - the new/revised images work just fine in my 850; Thanks (original version did not).

Excellent! Glad to hear it. Hopefully they'll work for everyone else as well.
post #53 of 174
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Originally Posted by chadmak09 View Post

I still recommend using the break in disk .

I posted my feelings and philosophy on this subject a while back.

here is that post:

Actually manufacturers (Panasonic) do recommend breaking in your Plasma. There is a link posted on this site from Panasonic.

Let me see if I can find it.
post #54 of 174
Thank you!
post #55 of 174
post #56 of 174
I don't know how much of that still applies. That Panasonic material is over 4 years old and a lot has changed in plasma technology in the past 4 years. Many of the myths are still around though.
post #57 of 174
OK... FINALLY... After almost 10 years on this forum, it's official.

Now I really HAVE seen everything.
post #58 of 174
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

I don't know how much of that still applies. That Panasonic material is over 4 years old and a lot has changed in plasma technology in the past 4 years. Many of the myths are still around though.

4 years old? Yikes. Their goes my point out the window.
post #59 of 174
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Originally Posted by Wilson-Flyer View Post

OK... FINALLY... After almost 10 years on this forum, it's official.

Now I really HAVE seen everything.

Like running the Break-in DVD with your new $5000 PDP for 100s of non-stop-hours makes more sense because some anonymous individual you chatted with in an Internet forum told you to.
post #60 of 174
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

Like running the Break-in DVD with your new $5000 PDP for 100s of non-stop-hours makes more sense because some anonymous individual you chatted with in an Internet forum told you to.


Ah. Yea. That would be it. ROTFLMFAO!!!
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