Memory card format viability

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I don't necessarily have anything against memory cards as a format. I'm just very skeptical that we'll get the same quality as BD any time soon. They're not offering 20-40GB files because they take too long to download for most people.

The disk format concept is very well established. I am not sure whether or not the memory card format idea will become established or not, or what it will take to do so.

For the time being, this is SD ("standard definition") only so it is not much of a threat to Blu-ray. We will see how established it becomes.

You are in the wrong forum. See this locked thread for proof.

Technically it was only four labels that support SlotMusic and there is only a limited selection of artists whose music is available on it. Also it is hard to tell how well it is doing since they have not yet released any sales data for it.



2 of the 6 major studios have announced an agreement with Mod Systems but from the press release the agreement was made for an "inventory of standard definition titles". As mentioned this means that the thread does not belong in the HDTV Software section of the forum.



For the portable market there is iTunes and other download services that offer standard definition movies and Blu-ray/DVD now has Digital Copy. There is a market for playing movies on portable devices but there are already several existing options for that. As such only time will tell how things will go with the Mod Systems kiosks.

I think a discussion on the viability of memory cards as a format unto itself is ripe for discussion. Just leave out any discussion of a format war. It seems there is some movement towards this technology and I for one wouldn't mind keeping abreast of any news on the subject. I welcome any tech that can be used for home theater and not use any moving parts. The goal of the end user should be to want to use the technology to deliver movies in hi-def and let companies know that anything less is not acceptable. After all, it moves us one step closer to the tech used in Star Trek with the plastic discs in the slots. People need to remember that this is just another technology that companies are trying to develope in the hopes of making money. It shouldn't be too hard to have a civilized discussion on the merits of the tech. As far as being discussed in this forum and thread, since the slots are easily put in tv's it is not far fetched to think that in the near future all tv's could be equiped with the hardware to accept the cards in whatever form they take. And we should demand high-def as soon as possible.

Memory cards are currently at 32GB with 40/45 Mbps read/write speed.

The next step is obvious - 64GB cards. This exceeds the current storage of optical disc.

We are speculating about the future of HD movie delivery.

IMO - SD cards are the future. No more motor and moving media.

And yet, it doesn't stop them from coming out of the woodwork, does it? Agenda, anyone?

With 16GB memory cards at affordable levels pirates will use them to share their rips. It will replace the DivX DVD player.

CPXM: New Security for High Definition video content protection.




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Cuurently they use DVD-9s. BD rips are aways about 7-8 GB. Sometimes they split the movies to 2 discs. Also, they don't use Divx DVD players, they use PS3s for Divx and AVCHD, and also 360s, PCs and laptops. So with memory cards not much will change.

[quote=Lee Stewart;15531245]CPXM: New Security for High Definition video content protection.


If, and it is a BIG if, they come out with a truely secure method to put the movies on a card, every content provider would give it a serious look.

I do not have an agenda. I will continue to buy and rent blu-ray discs unless and until there is a better method to view. Convenience is very important to me. I do like the idea of movies on a card.

It seems to me that since this is about a type of " HDTV Software Media", it should be in the " HDTV Software Media" forum. That thread was about SD media only and not HDM.

My bet is that first SDXC are released they will only be about 500 GB, but will work their way up to 2 TB. Since a 500GB card and hold 10x what a BD-RE can hold and are much faster, a price point of $200 would be great.

Just think about it. All of LotR plus all the extras on one card!

Right now, a 32GB SD flash card retails for around $100-$140. So with an average of $120 per 32GB, a GB of flash memory runs around $3.75 per GB. Do the math, a 500 GB would cost around $1875. Actually probably more with the fact that smaller SD cards are actually cheaper per GB (a 16GB card retails around $30).

This delivery system is going to be very cost prohibitive for quite some time......

Technically this is the "HDTV Software Media Forum" so ANYTHING that can be played on your HDTV goes in here. I don't see where it has to be high definition to be played on an HDTV. The majority of the world still plays 480p discs on their HDTV.

Again - you are using todays prices to forecast the future. No one other than professionals would pay that kind of money.

Sandisk packs 60, 120, 240 gigabytes into solid state flash drives


http://www.gadgetell.com/tech/commen...-flash-drives/

And I guarantee you that these new cards will start at 64GB. Moores Law is definitely applicable here.

It is only a matter of time before the memory gets small enough and cheap enough that disks will be irrelevant. Panasonic has been selling pro HD cameras with only card based memory for some time. They keep getting more capacity and lower prices.

Using your logic in regards to the topics that can be discussed in this forum, VHS, Beta, Laserdisc, VCD, youtube, etc can be discussed in this forum.
It seems you believe this is the "Miscellaneous formats viewable on HDTV" forum.

Lee, I know the prices will come down eventually, but you quoted this. Nice example of exactly what I was talking about. Thanks.


Should I edit my original post to show pricing of a 500GB SD card at $1000?

Also, "2.5-inch and 1.8-inch bodies"? So these will not work with existing card readers?

I will reiterate, this delivery system is going to be very cost prohibitive for quite some time......

Once you get past:

Geez, wouldn't it be great to have 100 movies on a card...

you realize there are no 500gb, 1 tb or 2 tb cards, there are no studios currently allowing sd content to be downloaded on cards (never mind hd), there are no devices to DOWNLOAD content...there is nothing but techno what ifs.

All courtesy of Toshiba...er, Mod Systems and a CES show that featured nothing new.

This is one of the funniest posts I have read in a while. I looked and saw that some 16 GB SD cards "retail" for $140 too. They were on sale for $25.

By phansson's reasoning, because Western Digital sells a 40GB 7200RPM HDD that retails for $65, then a 500 GB MUST retail for $812.

Also that whole "Actually probably more with the fact that smaller SD cards are actually cheaper per GB" is wrong.

From Amazon:
Transcend 4 GB SDHC Class 6: Retail 25.99
Transcend 8 GB SDHC Class 6: Retail 32.99
Transcend 16 GB SDHC Class 6: Retail 49.99

btw, sale prices are about 1/4 - 1/3 of those reatil prices.

There are also no BDs that hold 100 GB, 200 GB or 500 GB of data, and yet we have had numerous threads on them!

Oh, and you must have missed...

So it is coming!

I said 32GB , not 16GB cards. Show me some prices on 32GB.


They are a different beast. You can make a bigger hard drive with the same exact components, just stacking more in a slightly larger package. SD card memory has to get "smaller" to fit more memory into the same size flash card. It becomes very expensive.

Yep, more proof you cherry picked your prices. Transcend does not yet sell a 32 GB card, so let's just look at what is commonly available like 4 GB, 8 GB, and 16 GB...and hey, it shows you were wrong.

As usual this is not true (what you usually post on AVS). Sale prices are not 1/4 to 1/3 of retail.

Transcend 16GB SDHC Class 6: Retail $49.99 Sale price $30.50.
Which is $39% off of retail. You saying that sale prices are 1/4 to 1/3 of retail, according to your logic that Transcend card should street for $12.50 - $16.50 which is NOT true. If you would like to edit your post and state that SD HC cards are usually 1/4 to 1/3 CHEAPER than retail, that would be a true statement. Not what you posted above.

I never quoted retail prices in my original post. I stated that a 16GB card costs around $30. This is my original post in case you didn't bother to read it.

If you are going to tout 500GB and 2TB SD cards, you need to compare to the largest available size on the market today (32GB which street for around $100-$120). I know that prices will come down on the 500GB or 2Tb cards, but it isn't going to be soon. Maybe two or three years. Those cards will still be a premium because they will be niche market and take a lot of research and development to make viable.

Ahh, this brings back so many memories of the good old days (before Warner did you know what to you know who). But now, instead of one side pushing their favorite brand of optical media, the same zealots are pushing downloads and thousands of SD movies on a flash card or whatever warms their cockles. Talk about a step forward!


Indeed.

Now you are claiming that 32 GB won't come down in price for 2 to 3 years? Wow.

Please, let's get back to the topic of HD movies on memory cards and skip all these silly claims.

As I mentioned before. Think about LotR EE on one card with all all the extras. It could be at a higher bit-rate and less compressed than any BD version! Will it happen, who knows, but I am sure EVERYONE here would love to see it!

Actually I am claiming that the price on 500GB and 2TB cards will take 2 to 3 years to come down (I doubt you will see the 2TB card for 2 to 3 years anyway).

No, lets stay on this topic and see you try to dig out of your posts......

Example: your claim that the Transcend 16GB SDHC card is 1/4 of retail.