new SVS sealed Plus and Ultra subs in the pipeline! - Page 6

Any updates on SB16 ultra?

If you want to know about price the only thing that is new is that it will cost over $2000. I cant find the link anymore regarding this discussion.

Quote from the sales staff at svs

We are developing the SB13-Plus and SB16-Ultra. We are not releasing any additional information about either subwoofer until they are available for pre-order. The SB13-Plus will launch before the SB16-Ultra. Final pricing has not been set, but the SB16-Ultra will most assuredly not cost half of a Submersive - this will be a very high tech, feature-laden, and high-performance subwoofer.
******SVS isn’t about winning dB drag races with any brand. Our subwoofers have always performed well, but a product like the SB16-Ultra will have a broader focus and appeal because it will have the whole ball of wax – looks and design aesthetics, performance, cutting edge technology, and features.

If you want to win SPL drag races for the least amount of money, then build a subwoofer yourself, or buy something like an eD A7-900 with twin 18” woofers and a cabinet which is literally 3X the size of a PB13-Ultra. It costs a bunch less than the Submersive and will surely outgun it. Or possibly dual Epik Dragon – an 18” sealed subwoofer for $1000 – two of them for the same price as a Submersive and they will also easily outgun the Submersive.

What I’m trying to convey is that SVS doesn’t need to be held hostage by one particular subwoofer, particularly in the SPL arena. There are choices already on the market which outperform a Submersive for the same or less $$, and we don’t need to also throw our hat into that ring – we’re shooting for a more upscale market and a broader appeal by focusing on more things that how loud the subwoofer can play. "

Owners of the Maserati GranTursimo S will freely admit there are faster cars on the market for less $$. And they could care less – the ownership and driving experience is unparalleled and also undiluted by the fact something like the ZR1 is faster. As the old saying goes when people ask why enthusiasts own Harley-Davidson when there are 9-second liter bikes for less - “If you have to ask, you wouldn’t understand.” Owning an SB16-Ultra will be like that – enthusiasts will buy it for the technology, the features, the name, the panache, and the exclusivity. :^) ********

******There will always be the latest darling of the internet crowd – JL, Epik, eD, Hsu, AV123, Seaton, SVS – it’s just the nature of the beast. Keep your options open and purchase whatever suits your particular needs and don’t get hung-up on whatever is around the corner from company XYZ – because there will always be something around the corner. Buy a good sub and enjoy movies and music and give the forums a rest – they can really mess with your head after a while. :^) *******

Thats all i know, i was asking them about their competitors and how they match up. So it should be really good

which sub costs a bunch less than the Submersive and will surely outgun it ?

Dude, you are making a bold statement that there are subs that will outperform the Submersive for less money.

Over the past 4-6 months, the Submersive has emerged as the top dog due to things like not having a high pass filter, and opposing drivers. Some pretty smart guys are on record as saying the Submersive is the one to beat at ~$2,000 plus shipping.

Will the SB 16 Ultra outperform the Submersive? Clearly too soon to tell. One thing is that SVS is likely to have an introductory price that would probably save at least $100 on the SB 16 Ultra.

Clearly, the gentleman is speaking nearly exclusively of output- the terms "outgun" and "spl drag-race" make it about as straight-forward as one can imagine. Really, I thought his thoughts were pretty much dead-on.

James

"If you want to win SPL drag races for the least amount of money, then build a subwoofer yourself, or buy something like an eD A7-900 with twin 18” woofers and a cabinet which is literally 3X the size of a PB13-Ultra. It costs a bunch less than the Submersive and will surely outgun it. Or possibly dual Epik Dragon – an 18” sealed subwoofer for $1000 – two of them for the same price as a Submersive and they will also easily outgun the Submersive. "

The bolded parts make sense to me. A7-900 will outgun the Submersive and Two Dragons should outgun a Submersive (esp in SPL). The Submersive isn't the end all when you don't have space restrictions.

How is the ed 900 for $2500 a "bunch less than the submersive" given the submersive costs $1995?

He has no idea what he is talking about.

sounds like a defensive email to me

that's the part i'm trying to figure out

The pb-16 ultra will be the end all be all for me

i bet the submersive will blow it's doors off for less money

that includes output and sound quality

Of course let's not forget the Submersive XL or Terraform XL either - both of which will output bass at an even more insane level than the SubMersive 1.

I don't know it seems that the pb13 isn't far behind the submersive so I would guess a 16 ported in a huge box would be really awesome

good grief. Again, the THRUST of his statement is obviously referring to RAW output, an aspect of performance that SVS seems to not be overly-preoccupied with (although they perform exceedingly well in this regard anyway).

And yes, he IS correct that for less than $2,000, you can build (or buy) a sub that will "outgun" or out-drag-race a submersive. Again, the context of what he's speaking about needs to be understood.

My guess would be that he was probably referring to the ED A-7 at $1650 -and was in error in regards to the model number- when speaking of "outgunning" a submersive at a lower price point. Almost certainly it would top a submersive in a "spl drag-race".


James

Yea that a7-450 looks killer for the price

some ultra owners have abandoned their ultras for the submersive and seem to be incredibly happy with that choice

Wow that submersive must be a beast

Seeing that it's about 25% more expensive, a small hop in performance should prolly be expected between two internet vendors. How many of these newly "incredibly happy" owners would have been "incredibly happy" making the exact reverse of the swap will likely remain unknown...either offers such out-of-sight performance that it would be extremely difficult to note a real performance difference without the benefit of a thorough side-by-side. Not a lot that either can do that the other cannot.

James

I would welcome a side-by-side, those who have heard both say there is no comparison in the quality of the bass and low end extension.

this guy replaced dual svs ultras with a single submersive (he also owned SVS PB12-NSD, HSU VTF-3.3 duals, SVS PB13-Ultra single and duals, Epik Conquest, and an MBM-12)

http://seatonsound.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=2922335

I've heard both, but not in an A/B setting.

I truthfully didn't hear anything that convinced me to cut loose with my ultra. I'm not saying they're identical, just noting that it would likely take a good comparo for me to make an honest eval between the two.

"Hearing by memory" is notoriously faulty- let's not even discuss room placement/differing venues.

James

And I'm to believe he achieved smoother response, better extension, or output with the submersive over the TWO ultras?

Tough one to swallow there.

One on one is one thing, the flexibility, balance, and sheer output of TWO of either of these subs against one should result in a first round K.O.

James

the loudest sub isn't always the best sounding sub

you don't pick speakers like that. and you shouldn't IMO pick subs like that either

Ummm, who said anything about loudest anything? I certainly didn't.

I used terms like "even response" "balance" and "flexibility"...there's an electronic record of them right above your post.

I merely added "output" as another characteristic of performance- headroom is a positive, all else being equal.

Humorously, the Ultra is hardly a "boomer" at all, as its received accolades industry-wide as to its musicality and dynamic slam.


James

From what I know adding another sub gets you an extra 3db but I could be wrong.

Hi guys,

I'll step in to throw some water on the flames. The case otk cited above was a bit of a unique case, and such comparisons will very much depend on the particular conditions an limitations of a given system. As I've said many times, there are some aspects where the Ultra measures clearly better/stronger than the SubMersive. There are also aspects where the SubMersive measures much better/stronger (talking 1:1 comparison here). There are also aspects and qualities of the subwoofers not seen in simple tests that come into play in many systems which will make for real, subjective differences.

The behavior at their limits and interaction with different rooms can most certainly make for the range of impressions and comparisons noted. It would be wrong to say the two are equal, but they are certainly comparable, each with their strengths and limitations.

Please play nice guys. I believe you'll find that Ed Mullen and I regularly acknowledge what the other's products have accomplished. What option will result in the most listener enjoyment (that is the end goal after all) will depend a bit on what someone is looking to for more of in their system, not what is the more ideal subwoofer (as there really is no such thing).

I think I'm playing perfectly nice, as you pretty much re-iterated exactly what I said in so many words. Both are extremely admirable and even comparable performers in many regards.

I think the bombast on both sides is a bit out of hand, and the "chevy vs ford" rhetoric seems to go from bad to worse on occasion.

Now that this thread has been a bit mis-directed for a few posts, back to its good intentions.


James

I dont think the guy was trying to trash anyone just giving me his point of view or trying to educate me

I don't like to participate in arguments where people claim "X" is better than "Y" (ie: Ford vs. Chevy like above), but I had to respond since the original post had obviously incorrect facts that even basic research would show (the prices of the Submersive vs. eD A7-900).

Too many companies seem to focus on the idea that quantity is more important than quality (ie: throw a bigger driver in a bigger box with a bigger amplifier = more spl = "better" sub). This is a fundamentally false assumption and too many people get caught up in this bigger is better scenario.

Someone above mentioned that it doesn't work with speakers which is a very good point....and it doesn't work with subs.

I definitely think that is why the Submersive has gotten such amazing word of mouth....as it has helped to introduce a shift in modern thought on subwoofer design. It doesn't utilize a 2000w amp, it doesn't have 18 inch drivers...because it doesn't need them.