new SVS sealed Plus and Ultra subs in the pipeline! - Page 2

I agree the measurements can help if you know how to interpret them for real world use. With Illka's tests of ported subs, there are disadvantages in the measuring when it comes to port vs driver locations. Also, they do not show transient response, just a single impulse response, but not from note to note, or when signal is more complex.

That said, I really like the idea of DSP control and would like to understand what it does under the hood.

graphs and figures give you a starting point to go from, thats about it.

the real test is in you listening room with your soundtrack/material, the volume you are used to and your placement LOCATION.......its all about the location

True, but all else being equal if you start with a crap sub no matter where you place it will still be crap. If you know you are getting a Ferrari but can't drive it, you can't blame it on the car....someone might not like Ferrari red (subjective like listening) but you can't deny the data and testing to prove what it is capable of. (Just like THD limited output, power compression, group delay, etc.)

Personally, I would rather know what I am getting (capability wise) and what kind of performance I can expect, at least when compared to other models... Audio arguably has the largest placebo affect in any subjective measurement. Just ask those guys with the $25,000 RCA cables.

Without testing all claims can be dsiputed.

Sweeeet..... Again, thanks for the photos and info for those of us that couldn't attend. I'm looking forward to these new offering from SVS. Sealed is my preferred sub, and I will likely be getting a new Ultra16 and replace my JL f112 in my bedroom. Can't wait until they come out.

I was told by Tom a couple of years ago that they were going to be put front mounted DSP displays on some or all of their subs and may even go so far as to incorporate on board auto-EQs. However, that was before they went after their latest EQ solution...which also supports my earlier point about how long these things can take to come to fruition.

It sure is nice to see products from a great company like SVS evolve. I don't know what their market share is in the HT market but you can't acuse them of not having continuous improvement and evolution.

Personally I think they should let on-board eq be optional so that those who already have a good eq system don't have to in essence pay twice for it.

It would most likely be an option...but as the costs of these things comes down the cost will be nominal anyway. Who know maybe they dropped that idea shortly after they talked about it or maybe the next models will have it, who knows...that was all before the AS-EQ1 was in the pipeline.

Damn! 16'' driver! SVS is finally using bigger driver diameters. This sub should ROCK.

I wouldn't count anything happening too fast. Product launches this year are going to be problematic depending on the economy. Let's not blow this up too far until SVS provides a timeline. It's great that they have new products in development, but let's be honest, it could be 6 mos., a year or longer. Then again, it could be sooner...whatever...just as long as it's the right time for both SVS and us consumers.

this is the news I've been waiting for. In Canada, SVS is the only ID company that has a presence here with local distribution. Hsu abandoned distribution here, leaving us to deal with border issues if we were to buy one. It's too bad because the ULS 15 was the perfect sub for me otherwise, a relatively compact, sealed, high quality sub, but I`d rather buy from a company that is set up for warranty repairs without border issues.

I didn't want a sub as big as the PB13 Ultra, but I still want good extension for my small-medium room, and the SB12 doesn`t dig deeply enough. Finally, SVS offering two high powered sealed us is perfect for us that were previously looking at Servo 15s, and JL Audios.

When comparing same size woofers maybe. But when the sealed driver is 50% bigger all other things being equal in box size. I would prefer the bigger driver. I bet it will go just as loud if not louder.

I totally agree, we're really lucky to have SVS here. I was about to buy from the US but seems like a huge hassle if anything needs to be repaired. I talked to the guys at sonic boom and they are top notch, very friendly and seem like they take really good care of their customers. I kind of want to wait for the sealed 16" but I don't think I can wait that long. The Ultra13 is so tempting

Would it be bad to have an ultra13 and then add a sealed 16 later on??

All depends on what the new sub can do, but I doubt it will be a great improvement over the PB13U. I would bet if you got the PB13U, you won't be bothered when the new subs come out.

yah I think I'm just gonna go with the pb13 ultra.. I haven't heard anything bad about it. Think they will be going down in price when these new subs are available??

I wouldn't hold out for a price drop because I don't think the new models are going to replace the PB13. Watch for "B" stock or used for better prices.

thats what I want is the tight and sealed sound. I have heard that this ported ultra has tight bass as well and is able to dig really deep.

Finding a used ultra in Canada would be rare. I think I would rather by new and have the 3 year warranty

ribbit, you have what, 6 PB13s already, and you're thinking of buying more!?!?

SB13-Plus:

- 1000W DSP with front-mounted bezel/display
- wireless connectivity
- 13.5" woofer with an overhung VC/motor (the Ultra 13.5" woofer is underhung)
- cube shaped with 16-17" outer dims
- side accent panels like the M-series and the PB12-Plus
- magnetically retained metal grille like the PB12-Plus and PB13-Ultra

SB16-Ultra:

- 1000W DSP with front-mounted bezel/display
- wireless connectivity
- 16.5" woofer with an underhung VC and radial neodymium motor
- cube shaped with 19-20" outer dims
- all veneer or gloss finishes like the PB13-Ultra
- magnetically retained metal grille like the PB13-Ultra

The DSP essentially replaces the analog controls, and does not necessarily imply an auto-EQ solution. While auto-EQ certainly exists on some of the DSP chipsets we're using, it almost assuredly won't be on the Plus model, but it may be an extra-cost option on the Ultra model.

While the auto-EQ is quite powerful (multi-band with multi-position algorithms and much better than the typical single band solutions floating around), it still doesn't have the processing power of the AS-EQ1, which will remain the optimal external EQ solution in any event.

Ed being that the EQ-1 is not far from release is there a spec sheet available for it yet?

Thanks Ed,

Any details about your wall-mount picture-looking speakers?

Please contact me at edm@svsound.com or sales@svsound.com. I'll be plowing through emails for a while, catching up from CES travel.

Same as above - give us a shout at Sales. I can clarify features about the two products mentioned in this thread, but discussing anything else beyond the scope of the OP strays into marketing and is best handled by contacting SVS directly.

Fair enough. I have got to commend you for developing speakers that appear to have WAF that is thru the roof

Ed,
Any ideas, if and when, we might see a dual driver PB13 ultra? How about a PB16 ultra using the new 16.5" driver (better yet make that a dual driver PB16)?

Scott, before you request that, do you have any idea how big that sub would need to be for deep tuning? Think Conquest-sized. For a dual 16, we would be close to A7-900 sized and about 400lbs.

Of course, they would be pretty cool. I just don't know whether the market would be big enough to warrent the developement cost for the company.

Yep, they are just too cost prohibitive to ship. You are much better served by just utilizing two independent subs. Most likely won't happen as the drivers, boxes and sometimes amps get heavier...

I got the feeling back when the U-13 came out, that it was about as large a sub SVS would be producing.

that makes me wonder when shipping costs will reflect the gas prices that have been cut in half since summer

actually more than half. last summer i was paying $3.75 and we went as low as $1.35 on new years eve and currently hovering around $1.53 even though oil has dropped again

the post office and UPS (and all the other shipping companies) must be making a fortune on gas savings since they haven't adjusted their prices to match the cost of fuel