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I need to replace my Canon Vixia HV30 that got dunked it a bucket of de-icing fluid. Since I already have several extra batteries, travel charger etc. my only option is to get another one or get the HG10.

The question is, will the USB 2.0 of the HG10 be as fast as firewire and will I be able to control the camera through the USB cable, or is it even necessary in the same manner as with the DV type camera? Do you really need to "Play" the video to download it with the HDD type.

One other point that I am wondering with the HDD type vs the DV is that separate clips on the HV30 always seemed to be hard to get started at the beginning frame. If you took ten clips and wanted to just download a specific one to your computer it was hard to get the tape to start right at the first frame. If you tried to just start it playing ahead of where you wanted to capture and hit the capture button, there was always a bit of blue screen as it switched to the next clip, even if it was recorded in the same mode. Is this and issue with the HDD type?

Thanks for all your help
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Originally Posted by davidmc36 View Post

I need to replace my Canon Vixia HV30 that got dunked it a bucket of de-icing fluid.

Ouch!

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Since I already have several extra batteries, travel charger etc. my only option is to get another one or get the HG10.

Really your only option? HG10 would not be on my recommended list because of the lower bit rate and higher amount of artifacts when compared with newer gen camcorder.

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The question is, will the USB 2.0 of the HG10 be as fast as firewire and will I be able to control the camera through the USB cable, or is it even necessary in the same manner as with the DV type camera? Do you really need to "Play" the video to download it with the HDD type.

Oh, you are going to rejoice after going tapeless. No, you no longer need to "Play" the video to download. You just transfer the files! Just like copying a file to/from your external hard drive. And it is much faster than firewire capture from your HV30.

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One other point that I am wondering with the HDD type vs the DV is that separate clips on the HV30 always seemed to be hard to get started at the beginning frame.

Another problem you can totally forget. In AVCHD, everytime you press the record button, a new file is created. So your video will consists of many files/video clips. And it would be very simple to select the clip you want.

Unlike HV30, you cannot have live video from the camcorder though.
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Really your only option? HG10 would not be on my recommended list because of the lower bit rate and higher amount of artifacts when compared with newer gen camcorder.

Unlike HV30, you cannot have live video from the camcorder though.

Unless their is another model that uses the same battery it appears to be the choice for me.

When you say no live video you mean hooked up to a tv with the HDMI and be seeing what the camera is seeing real time, but you can still play a video that has been recorded through the HDMI into my HDTV.
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Originally Posted by kalak View Post

Really your only option? HG10 would not be on my recommended list because of the lower bit rate and higher amount of artifacts when compared with newer gen camcorder

Can you give me some examples of bit rate differences with this camera compared to newer gen?

Actuall I did some searching around and found a couple of pages showing the difference. That has me sold that the HG10 will not be the replacement. I will either just get another HV30 or pony up the extra 400 or so bones to get to a better HDD model.
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Originally Posted by davidmc36 View Post

Can you give me some examples of bit rate differences with this camera compared to newer gen?

HG10 has maximum bit rate of 15Mbps vs HF10/100's 17Mbps vs 24Mbps of their newest model. And it is not just the bit rate difference. HG10 is their 1st gen effort, and the compression algorithm is less than optimal when compared with newer models.

Unless you need long continuous recording, you should also think about Flash memory models instead of only Hard drive. Flash memory one should be more reliable, as tape mechanism and hard drives are camcorder's weakest mechanical part.
post #6 of 10
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Actually this looks pretty sweet for the price:

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pro...gon=&langid=EN

What do you think?
post #7 of 10
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Originally Posted by davidmc36 View Post

Actually this looks pretty sweet for the price:

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pro...gon=&langid=EN

What do you think?

good choice of camera, but is that a reputable vendor?

have you checked the pricing at b&h? or amazon?
post #8 of 10
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It's as good a retailer as any here. Once you get it from them any warranty is through Canon. I don't know about B&H but Amazon will not sell into Canada. At $550usd once it is converted, add GST/PST and brokerage and shipping to Canada it would be the same price.

Thanks for the thumbs up rating for the camera though.
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Originally Posted by davidmc36 View Post

Actually this looks pretty sweet for the price:
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pro...gon=&langid=EN
What do you think?

The price is ok, although HG20 was sold at around C$699 during the boxing week sale (it was C$750 at FS at that time). Probably not possible to find anything close to that price right now with the sinking C$.
post #10 of 10
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700 CAD was a sweet deal then. That current listing shows it as 1000 "regular" with a 200 discount. Maybe they inflated the "regular" price to make it look sweeter. At any rate I am just waiting to hear back from my wife if she is going to have time to go get it since the price ends today. If not BestBuy has it for 850.

Thanks everyone for the assistance and steering me away from that HG10, it really is a crappy camera in comparison. I knew it was the right thing to do to hunt down a forum before I made a foolish purchase.

Cheers
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