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post #211 of 585
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Hey Bron, have you had a chance to listen to the 425 yet? Don't leave us hanging! Thanks. Jon

Yes, very sorry for the long delay. I finally have the 425 hooked up and should be able to post a review this weekend. Other "life factors" conspired to make it hard for me to get the time, and I had to tear down and rewire everything as the 425 was just enough larger to make it difficult.

But all is well now and I am listening to it as I type. Just to give you a taste, the 425 is massive and powerful with impressive bass response. I love the cabinet design (with one exception I'll get into later) and the build quality and sound are of the same high quality as other ZVOX models.

More to follow!

(And thanks to everyone for their patience!)
post #212 of 585
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ZVOX 425 Review Notes

Summary: The ZVOX 425 is the flagship of their line and a step up from the 415. It is physically larger and more powerful (133 watts), twice the power of the 415 in fact. The 425 is expensive ($699.99 but currently on sale for $599.99), but it is also an outstanding performer and very impressive overall. It comes with a two year warranty and a 30-day "home audition" policy. If you can afford it, the ZVOX 425 is an awesome unit worthy of its perch at the the top of the ZVOX line.

Review: The 425 is significantly larger than the 415, about 6 inches wider and an inch plus taller. It was just enough bigger to give me a few problems getting it set up. I had to place it to the side of my CRT HDTV for this review (I did the same with the 415 without any problems). After some re-cabling and moving of other components, I was able to get everything squared away. But here, right at the outset I ran into my one peeve about the 425 -- the location of the inputs, but more on that in a moment.

The 425 has the same excellent build quality as the other ZVOX units. It has a nice solid black cabinet with a black metal grill covering the speaker ports. I find both the 415 and the 425 very attractive designs, they look like pro grade equipment. The 425 bests the 415 in that it has physical buttons on the front for power, volume, and PhaseCue control. The IR sensor is located in this same bottom, center area which seemed to improve its response to remote control commands vs. the 415. The power button also functions as the power status indicator in a similar fashion as the LED indicator light on the 415, but with a bit nicer presentation in my opinion. There is also a standard 3.5mm audio-in jack on the front that functions like that on the 325. Plug something in and the rear inputs are silenced. You can hook up CD players, MP3 players, or any other audio device you like and it works very well. I find having a front input quite convenient, but others may not care at all. All in all, I really like the looks of both the 415 and 425 units. They have an elegant styling, simple, functional and no nonsense. Again, a pro gear ambiance in my view.

The 425 has three 3.25" center channel speakers clustered in the center with two more 3.25 PhaseCue drivers front-facing at the far ends (L&R) and two more 4" woofers/sub-woofers which are side-firing and located at each end of the cabinet. Both of the 4" sub-woofers are ported in fairly standard fashion at the bottom. On the back of the 425 in the center and bottom, is a cut away housing a master power switch, the power cable connection, the S.A.N.E. control, and the audio inputs and outputs. There are two std. RCA type audio input pairs and one output pair for an optional external powered sub-woofer. And here lies my one gripe with the 425's design.

Although the 425 has rubber feet and can be mounted on a flat surface, it was clearly designed to be wall mounted, as the cut away area makes things a bit difficult when mounted flat (e.g. shelf). When mounted on a flat surface, there is not enough room for a std. RCA style plug. ZVOX provides one right-angle audio cable, but, really, how many of you out there have right-angled audio cables laying around? Need a longer cable than the one ZVOX provides? Good luck! Also, the jacks are spaced very close together and right-angle plugs are much more difficult to fit into the space available. Add to this the right-angle power cable which gets in the way and you have a less than convenient situation for those using the surface mount setup. If you wall mount it, no problem, you can use standard cables and be happy. Of course, this is a minor nit as usually you'll only have to set it up infrequently, but it did give me some problems.

This also makes accessing the master power switch and the S.A.N.E. control almost impossible in the surface mount configuration. The master power switch is not such a big deal as you'll normally use the front power button or remote and this switch can just stay always on in normal use. (I use UPS's on all my equipment anyway, so I can always switch it off there in an emergency, for vacation, and so on.) But the S.A.N.E. control is a bit more of a problem. This control is essentially an audio compressor designed to suppress loud transient sounds during evening viewing (so you won't wake up the whole house). It has a rotary control that clicks off-on and then increases the effect as you turn it clockwise. But it is essentially recessed on the back bottom of the unit which makes it practically impossible to use. I'm sure most people will just turn it off and forget it, which is a shame. In the wall mount configuration it would be much easier to get to, though still not terribly convenient. I'm sure there was some engineering reason to put it on the back, but it would have been much better located on the front control panel. Although all the other controls are replicated on the remote, S.A.N.E. is not. Because of this, I did not bother much with the S.A.N.E. feature for this review.

If you have read my reviews of the other ZVOX units, especially the 325 and 415, then you know what to expect. With the 425 it's more of the same excellent, accurate, crisp, clear audio. Excellent dynamic range, great sound across the frequency spectrum, and overall top notch sound. Music sounds awesome as with the others. DVD's have a great "theatre" sound. The PhaseCue works as described. So I will try to concentrate here on what differentiates the 425 from the 415 (and other units). (It seems to me that choosing between the 415 and 425 is where most people will be focused.) So, please, if you have skipped right to this 425 review, please take a moment to read my take on the 415 and 325, as much of what I say there will also apply to the 425.

First, a quick comment about having the front control panel. In my opinion, this is a very nice feature to have. As I have mentioned before, I find the PhaseCue easier to adjust, sometimes, with the physical controls. It's not a huge deal, but it is a nice plus for the 425, These controls also are fairly inconspicuous and look nice, in my opinion. I don't feel they detract from the appearance at all. ZVOX does also offer the 425 in an "xs" version without the front control panel and input if you prefer that (same price). I also like having a physical power button. The sub-woofer level and treble controls are only on the remote on both models. The remote for the 415 and 425 appear to be identical, by the way. I found 22 possible volume settings plus mute and 9 PhaseCue settings, I believe the sub and treble were 9 as well. The 425 uses the same "power indicator blinks when command received. does not blink when you reach min/max setting" method as the 415. One flaw with this method, is that if you are pressing say up volume or PhaseCue on the remote and the IR command is not received by the unit, the power indicator does not blink (of course) and this might fool you into thinking you have reached the max setting. This has happened to me a few times. Another reason I like the control buttons on the unit, as it is easier to set a certain known level. Of course, some kind of numeric level indicator would be better, as mentioned in my earlier review of the 415. But I'm getting used to it and it doesn't really bother me any more.

One thing I noticed right away with the 425 is that the center channel is stronger. Dialog never got "lost" -- even with PhaseCue turned to max. Overall this seemed to give the 425 a nicer balance and made it easier to adjust for good sound. You still need to back off the PhaseCue to maintain a proper balance between the main sounds and the background and "spatial" sound effects, but it makes it a little less critical. In general, I found the 425 sounded good over a wider range of settings. This means as you change sources, less tweaking may be needed. I need more listening time to be sure, but this certainly has been the case so far in my listening. I still find the PhaseCue setting best at a relatively low 2 or 3 level for the majority of things. But with some DVD's and action titles, you can crank it up more. And there is the occasional music piece that "likes" more PhaseCue as well. This stronger center channel does seem to help some sources a bit, giving a better balance and sound while still allowing use of PhaseCue to widen the soundstage. I'm really curious as to whether ZVOX made a conscious effort to achieve this, as it will make the 425 easier to use for many people. However, the overall soundstage effect was about the same to me. In other words, the 415 does just as good a job as the 425 in spreading the sound image via the PhaseCue effect.

(The stronger center channel does make the 425 a bit more "centered" than the 415 - that is, it's seemed a bit more directional, more apparent that the sound is coming from the 425 to me. As mentioned, I had to setup the 425 beside my HDTV, not below and in front. But I used the 415 in this same location and to my surprise found I could live with it there fairly well, only occasionally perceiving it as off center. I think with the 425, locating it properly is more critical. But most people will locate either properly, so not an issue, just mentioning ti because it's in my notes, really.)

The big difference between the 415 and 425 lies in the overall power and bass response. The 415 is no slouch and has great bass, but the 425 has a more powerful low-end and goes down to 35 Hz - as good as many sub-woofers. The ported, side-firing 4" drivers seem to work well and many (most?) will be able to live quite happily without an external sub. The 425 has twice the power of the 415. This manifests itself audibly in two significant ways. First, the maximum volume level of the 425 is obviously much greater than the 415. But also, at lower volume levels the 425 has more power available for transient bursts of sound and low end thumps and that sort of thing. So even at lower listening levels you benefit from those extra watts. Again, the 415 holds up well and I have enjoyed the 415 without any complaints for months now, but the 425 has a noticeably more powerful sound (as well it should). That said, I actually find the low end on the 425 a bit boomy sometimes and have to turn it down. By the same token, if you want that thunder-bass for your movies, then crank up the sub-levels and you'll get it. Overall, the 425 has a great sound - the best of the lot for Home Theatre uses. The others hold their own for music and won't disappoint either (as my other reviews would indicate). That extra power pays off in Home Theatre, though.

It's much easier to hit painful volume levels with the 425 - whether that's a plus or not, I leave to you to decide. The 325 and 415 are plenty loud. But for very large rooms, or if you just want that windows rattling "11" on your amp, then the 425 has you covered. With the source input level properly adjusted and at less than ear-bleed volume levels I did not notice any distortion. As with all the ZVOX models, the sound is pure and clean. Audiophiles will love the ZVOX line, I think, During my tests, I had a few of those "Ah, back to the 'way too loud' days of my youth" experiences listening to music and DVD's that brought a smile to my lips. (And made my ears ring!) You know who you are if this made you grin.

The "mix" is great on the 425. All sounds clear and well distributed -- so you can hear the motorcycle rumble, and the click of a gear change, background music and dialog all very distinctly. As mentioned earlier, the dialog is absolutely superb. This is a big strength of all the ZVOX units and none more so than the 425.

So - music, DVD's - all sound superb - as with the rest of the ZVOX line. That's a given. Again, if you love live music, you will love the 425 (or any ZVOX). This outing I tried some old Rare Earth, Chuck Mangione, and others and was not disappointed. In fact, here again, that strong, balanced sound of the 425 paid dividends. The 425 is expensive, but you can hear where your money went! I took Terminator 2 out for another spin and got great sound as with the 325 and 415. Again, great volume at moderate levels and plenty of head room left. Dialog outstanding. Music track great, even better explosions and low-end effects than 415. I think the 425 has more punch with sudden transient sounds than the 415. The bigger cabinet (more volume), extra watts, and dual subs are a plus for the 425. To me, the 425 felt like a bigger, more powerful 415 and with a few refinements to the control and smoothness of the PhaseCue effect over it's range.

So. The verdict? A winner, of course. If you can afford it, the ZVOX 425 is an impressive unit worthy of its perch at the the top of the ZVOX line.

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If anyone has any specific questions, feel free and I will do my best to answer them. I'll also come back and post updates as I continue to use the 425 if I notice anything else significant.

[ This review has been written on-the-fly from my notes, so please forgive any repetition or other signs of poor editing - I basically have not edited it. I wanted to get something up as quickly as possible. Maybe I'll come back and edit later. ]
post #213 of 585
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Some quick comments based on my impressions so far.

325 and 415 are very close. 325 is a great value. 415 has more of a soundbar style and look. 415 has a bit smoother sound, but some may like the punchier sound of the 325. I liked both very much. Would probably pick whichever one fit my space best. If you put a gun to my head, I'd probably go with the 415, ultimately, though I like the physical controls on the 325 better than either the 415 or 425. You can tweak the 325 more precisely, especially for music. I like to tweak precisely.

The 415 seems like the best choice for most people for home theatre in a normal size room. The bass response is very good, the sound very smooth, clean and crisp and it's $200 cheaper than the 425. It's also a very nice size and easier to handle and setup than the 425. I have been very happy listening to the 415 and like it a lot.

The 425 is the monster and has the best sound, ultimately, due to it's more powerful amp, larger cabinet, and dual-subs. It's the beast and will eat the lunch of most competitors. But it is BIG and so will be harder to place and setup. And it is expensive. I think the 415 is a better value, but if you want the best - the 425 is it.

325 - My personal favorite for it's overall value, great design, controls and sound. You can't go wrong with a 325. It can be used in so many different situations. An awesome gaming sound system or bedroom sound system. Great also for smaller TV setups.

415 - My choice for the family room style home theatre setup. A lot to like. Great bass, great sound, perfect for most TV sizes and great looking. Music sounds great, so if you mix your music, TV, and other gear to the 415 you will be a happy camper.

425 - The pick of the litter if you have room for it and can afford it. Once setup, the easiet to use and get good sound from (requires less tweaking). A superb sound system worthy of its price.

P.S. Might as well mention the mini, also:

Mini - small, portable, great for music and videos in a personal space type of setup. Requires A/C power, but rig a battery and inverter and you have an awesome portable sound system! Super for MP3's, gaming, a PC or laptop sound system, and so on. They also sell a cool carrying case for it. Plenty loud for most personal-style uses.

315 - I have not actually used my 315 yet, so can't comment except to say that it's by all accounts a nice unit for the price.
post #214 of 585
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ZVOX 425 Review Notes

Summary: The ZVOX 425 is the flagship of their line and a step up from the 415. It is physically larger and more powerful (133 watts), twice the power of the 415 in fact. The 425 is expensive ($699.99 but currently on sale for $599.99), but it is also an outstanding performer and very impressive overall. It comes with a two year warranty and a 30-day "home audition" policy. If you can afford it, the ZVOX 425 is an awesome unit worthy of its perch at the the top of the ZVOX line.

Review: The 425 is significantly larger than the 415, about 6 inches wider and an inch plus taller. It was just enough bigger to give me a few problems getting it set up. I had to place it to the side of my CRT HDTV for this review (I did the same with the 415 without any problems). After some re-cabling and moving of other components, I was able to get everything squared away. But here, right at the outset I ran into my one peeve about the 425 -- the location of the inputs, but more on that in a moment.

The 425 has the same excellent build quality as the other ZVOX units. It has a nice solid black cabinet with a black metal grill covering the speaker ports. I find both the 415 and the 425 very attractive designs, they look like pro grade equipment. The 425 bests the 415 in that it has physical buttons on the front for power, volume, and PhaseCue control. The IR sensor is located in this same bottom, center area which seemed to improve its response to remote control commands vs. the 415. The power button also functions as the power status indicator in a similar fashion as the LED indicator light on the 415, but with a bit nicer presentation in my opinion. There is also a standard 3.5mm audio-in jack on the front that functions like that on the 325. Plug something in and the rear inputs are silenced. You can hook up CD players, MP3 players, or any other audio device you like and it works very well. I find having a front input quite convenient, but others may not care at all. All in all, I really like the looks of both the 415 and 425 units. They have an elegant styling, simple, functional and no nonsense. Again, a pro gear ambiance in my view.

The 425 has three 3.25" center channel speakers clustered in the center with two more 3.25 PhaseCue drivers front-facing at the far ends (L&R) and two more 4" woofers/sub-woofers which are side-firing and located at each end of the cabinet. Both of the 4" sub-woofers are ported in fairly standard fashion at the bottom. On the back of the 425 in the center and bottom, is a cut away housing a master power switch, the power cable connection, the S.A.N.E. control, and the audio inputs and outputs. There are two std. RCA type audio input pairs and one output pair for an optional external powered sub-woofer. And here lies my one grip with the 425's design.

Although the 425 has rubber feet and can be mounted on a flat surface, it was clearly designed to be wall mounted, as the cut away area makes things a bit difficult when mounted flat (e.g. shelf). When mounted on a flat surface, there is not enough room for a std. RCA style plug. ZVOX provides one right-angle audio cable, but, really, how many of you out there have right-angled audio cables laying around? Need a longer cable than the one ZVOX provides? Good luck! Also, the jacks are spaced very close together and right-angle plugs are much more difficult to fit into the space available. Add to this the right-angle power cable which gets in the way and you have a less than convenient situation for those using the surface mount setup. If you wall mount it, no problem, you can use standard cables and be happy. Of course, this is a minor nit as usually you'll only have to set it up infrequently, but it did give me some problems.

This also makes accessing the master power switch and the S.A.N.E. control almost impossible in the surface mount configuration. The master power switch is not such a big deal as you'll normally use the front power button or remote and this switch can just stay always on in normal use. (I use UPS's on all my equipment anyway, so I can always switch it off there in an emergency, for vacation, and so on.) But the S.A.N.E. control is a bit more of a problem. This control is essentially an audio compressor designed to suppress loud transient sounds during evening viewing (so you won't wake up the whole house). It has a rotary control that clicks off-on and then increases the effect as you turn it clockwise. But it is essentially recessed on the back bottom of the unit which makes it practically impossible to use. I'm sure most people will just turn it off and forget it, which is a shame. In the wall mount configuration it would be much easier to get to, though still not terribly convenient. I'm sure there was some engineering reason to put it on the back, but it would have been much better located on the front control panel. Although all the other controls are replicated on the remote, S.A.N.E. is not. Because of this, I did not bother much with the S.A.N.E. feature for this review.

If you have read my reviews of the other ZVOX units, especially the 325 and 415, then you know what to expect. With the 425 it's more of the same excellent, accurate, crisp, clear audio. Excellent dynamic range, great sound across the frequency spectrum, and overall top notch sound. Music sounds awesome as with the others. DVD's have a great "theatre" sound. The PhaseCue works as described. So I will try to concentrate here on what differentiates the 425 from the 415 (and other units). (It seems to me that choosing between the 415 and 425 is where most people will be focused.) So, please, if you have skipped right to this 425 review, please take a moment to read my take on the 415 and 325, as much of what I say there will also apply to the 425.

First, a quick comment about having the front control panel. In my opinion, this is a very nice feature to have. As I have mentioned before, I find the PhaseCue easier to adjust, sometimes, with the physical controls. It's not a huge deal, but it is a nice plus for the 425, These controls also are fairly inconspicuous and look nice, in my opinion. I don't feel they detract from the appearance at all. ZVOX does also offer the 425 in an "xs" version without the front control panel and input if you prefer that (same price). I also like having a physical power button. The sub-woofer level and treble controls are only on the remote on both models. The remote for the 415 and 425 appear to be identical, by the way. I found 22 possible volume settings plus mute and 8 PhaseCue settings plus off (9 total), I believe the sub and treble were 9 as well. The 425 uses the same "power indicator blinks when command received. does not blink when you reach min/max setting" method as the 415. One flaw with this method, is that if you are pressing say up volume or PhaseCue on the remote and the IR command is not received by the unit, the power indicator does not blink (of course) and this might fool you into thinking you have reached the max setting. This has happened to me a few times. Another reason I like the control buttons on the unit, as it is easier to set a certain known level. Of course, some kind of numeric level indicator would be better, as mentioned in my earlier review of the 415. But I'm getting used to it and it doesn't really bother me any more.

One thing I noticed right away with the 425 is that the center channel is stronger. Dialog never got "lost" -- even with PhaseCue turned to max. Overall this seemed to give the 425 a nicer balance and made it easier to adjust for good sound. You still need to back off the PhaseCue to maintain a proper balance between the main sounds and the background and "spatial" sound effects, but it makes it a little less critical. In general, I found the 425 sounded good over a wider range of settings. This means as you change sources, less tweaking may be needed. I need more listening time to be sure, but this certainly has been the case so far in my listening. I still find the PhaseCue setting best at a relatively low 2 or 3 level for the majority of things. But with some DVD's and action titles, you can crank it up more. And there is the occasional music piece that "likes" more PhaseCue as well. This stronger center channel does seem to help some sources a bit, giving a better balance and sound while still allowing use of PhaseCue to widen the soundstage. I'm really curious as to whether ZVOX made a conscious effort to achieve this, as it will make the 425 easier to use for many people. However, the overall soundstage effect was about the same to me. In other words, the 415 does just as good a job as the 425 in spreading the sound image via the PhaseCue effect.

(The stronger center channel does make the 425 a bit more "centered" than the 415 - that is, it's seemed a bit more directional, more apparent that the sound is coming from the 425 to me. As mentioned, I had to setup the 425 beside my HDTV, not below and in front. But I used the 415 in this same location and to my surprise found I could live with it there fairly well, only occasionally perceiving it as off center. I think with the 425, locating it properly is more critical. But most people will locate either properly, so not an issue, just mentioning ti because it's in my notes, really.)

The big difference between the 415 and 425 lies in the overall power and bass response. The 415 is no slouch and has great bass, but the 425 has a more powerful low-end and goes down to 35 Hz - as good as many sub-woofers. The ported, side-firing 4" drivers seem to work well and many (most?) will be able to live quite happily without an external sub. The 425 has twice the power of the 415. This manifests itself audibly in two significant ways. First, the maximum volume level of the 425 is obviously much greater than the 415. But also, at lower volume levels the 425 has more power available for transient bursts of sound and low end thumps and that sort of thing. So even at lower listening levels you benefit from those extra watts. Again, the 415 holds up well and I have enjoyed the 415 without any complaints for months now, but the 425 has a noticeably more powerful sound (as well it should). That said, I actually find the low end on the 425 a bit boomy sometimes and have to turn it down. By the same token, if you want that thunder-bass for your movies, then crank up the sub-levels and you'll get it. Overall, the 425 has a great sound - the best of the lot for Home Theatre uses. The others hold their own for music and won't disappoint either (as my other reviews would indicate). That extra power pays off in Home Theatre, though.

It's much easier to hit painful volume levels with the 425 - whether that's a plus or not, I leave to you to decide. The 325 and 415 are plenty loud. But for very large rooms, or if you just want that windows rattling "11" on your amp, then the 425 has you covered. With the source input level properly adjusted and at less than ear-bleed volume levels I did not notice any distortion. As with all the ZVOX models, the sound is pure and clean. Audiophiles will love the ZVOX line, I think, During my tests, I had a few of those "Ah, back to the 'way too loud' days of my youth" experiences listening to music and DVD's that brought a smile to my lips. (And made my ears ring!) You know who you are if this made you grin.

The "mix" is great on the 425. All sounds clear and well distributed -- so you can hear the motorcycle rumble, and the click of a gear change, background music and dialog all very distinctly. As mentioned earlier, the dialog is absolutely superb. This is a big strength of all the ZVOX units and none more so than the 425.

So - music, DVD's - all sound superb - as with the rest of the ZVOX line. That's a given. Again, if you love live music, you will love the 425 (or any ZVOX). This outing I tried some old Rare Earth, Chuck Mangione, and others and was not disappointed. In fact, here again, that strong, balanced sound of the 425 paid dividends. The 425 is expensive, but you can hear where your money went! I took Terminator 2 out for another spin and got great sound as with the 325 and 415. Again, great volume at moderate levels ad plenty of head room left. Dialog outstanding. Music track great, even better explosions and low-end effects than 415. I think the 425 has more punch with sudden transient sounds than the 415. The bigger cabinet (more volume), extra watts, and dual subs are a plus for the 425. To me, the 425 felt like a bigger, more powerful 415 and with a few refinements to the control and smoothness of the PhaseCue effect over it's range.

So. The verdict? A winner, of course. If you can afford it, the ZVOX 425 is an awesome unit worthy of its perch at the the top of the ZVOX line.

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If anyone has any specific questions, feel free and I will do my best to answer them. I'll also come back and post updates as I continue to use the 425 if I notice anything else significant.

[ This review has been written on-the-fly from my notes, so please forgive any repetition or other signs of poor editing - I basically have not edited it. I wanted to get something up as quickly as possible. Maybe I'll come back and edit later. ]



Great review Bron! I think that seals it for me. Either I will get the 325 for the family room (very likely) or go for the 425. I just got a great deal on a Polk Surroundbar 50 so I am going to replace my Sony CT100 with that. I am planning on ordering a ZVOX this week though and you made it a lot easier now. You really do like the 325 . I admit I am still drawn to it even with the 425 available. Your review of the 425 though reinforces what I was hoping to hear about it. Great job!
post #215 of 585
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Odds and ends:

425 has no external power brick, the power supply is internal.

The ports for the sub woofers on the ends make great carrying handles when moving it around. The thing is very solidly constructed, like all ZVOX gear. It truly is a really nice looking unit.

I realized that the 425 has three center channel speakers vs. one for the 415 - that probably explains the added strength of the center channel on the 425.

415 significantly smaller and also truly great looking. It has front-firing sub and passive radiator design. Might work better for some. Did not explore how placement affected bass response of either, but side-firing subs might need consideration in some installations.

Again, even at loud volumes, no rattles or vibrations with any of the ZVOX units. They are solid.
post #216 of 585
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Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

Great review Bron! I think that seals it for me. Either I will get the 325 for the family room (very likely) or go for the 425. I just got a great deal on a Polk Surroundbar 50 so I am going to replace my Sony CT100 with that. I am planning on ordering a ZVOX this week though and you made it a lot easier now. You really do like the 325 . I admit I am still drawn to it even with the 425 available. Your review of the 425 though reinforces what I was hoping to hear about it. Great job!

Thanks, YOTR! Yes, I really do like the 325. It's hard to beat for the price and I really do like the rotary controls for volume and PhaseCue (and sub level on the back). It sounds great - especially for its size. The bass is surprisingly good, and for the price asked, you can easily afford to add an external sub if you want.

The 425 is huge by comparison. And it's no contest on power. Big difference in price, of course. I really need more time with the 425, to appreciate the nuances, but I wanted to get a review up as quickly as possible. But the power, bass, and strong center channel were very evident. It's a very nice unit. Definitely hits the target for Home Theatre.

Good luck however you go and be sure to come back and give us your thoughts.
post #217 of 585
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Originally Posted by bron View Post

Thanks, YOTR! Yes, I really do like the 325. It's hard to beat for the price and I really do like the rotary controls for volume and PhaseCue (and sub level on the back). It sounds great - especially for its size. The bass is surprisingly good, and for the price asked, you can easily afford to add an external sub if you want.

The 425 is huge by comparison. And it's no contest on power. Big difference in price, of course. I really need more time with the 425, to appreciate the nuances, but I wanted to get a review up as quickly as possible. But the power, bass, and strong center channel were very evident. It's a very nice unit. Definitely hits the target for Home Theatre.

Good luck however you go and be sure to come back and give us your thoughts.



Thanks! Have you tried anything HDMI with the 425? I was wondering how everything would connect. I assume you just connect everything to your tv (via HDMI, component, etc) and then just connect the cable from your audio out to the Zvox. Is this true? I assume your tv would in effect become the switcher?
post #218 of 585
Bron,

I also forgot to ask if you felt that you needed a sub with the 425? I assume you didn't by the review but that is something I needed to know for a family room install. Also, after reading your review again I am somewhat concerned about the lack of clearance in the back. I know you stated they provide you with a right angle audio cable so I guess that would solve the issue but the SANE problem is worth noting. I highly doubt I would wall mount it but I might. Our family room tv is wall mounted but I didn't want to spend another $80 for a wall mount. I really just wanted to put it on the tv cabinet below the tv. Most of the pictures I have seen of the 425 also has it just sitting on a shelf or cabinet anyway. The 325 is still in the running but if I have to buy a sub for it then I have to consider the 425 also (wouldn't be that much of a price difference after that). Thanks again!
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Finally completed system for 20x21 open family room!
Panasonic TH-58PZ800U
Panasonic DMP 35
Comcast with Motorola DCH 3416
ZVOX 425 xs soundbar
Harmony One Remote
Aspen Credenza- 76x21x28
Goal was to clean up wall, Zvox is wall-mounted and we wanted a functional piece of furniture vs. A-V type set-up as we are in mid-fifties.
It took awhile and a lot of research and input from many AVS folks but I'm through as I just mounted the soundbar. Bron does a great job with his review so I won't embarass myself. I would like to make a couple of points about the 425 though. The folks at ZVOX gave me outstanding customer service and responded quickly to all my multiple questions and concerns and insured that I was happy with their system. If at all interested/unsure of their systems a 30 day trial is a must and no brainer. Our room is large and open and 5.1 or 7.1 system would not work well for several reasons. When I first received the 425 I placed it on ladder ( in doorway to the right ) and even off center it was great. We thought 425 sounded better at height (65") than on credenza. We use for music,tv,dvd, and bd and like video it is source dependent but great sound with all and amazing with bluray as our room is full of sound/effects. My complaint was the remote functioned poorly and it appears ZVOX is working on new remote. I almost returned unit due to remote as I sit 18 ft. away and I do adjust phase cue and sub often- the 425 xs has sensor up higher but it didn't help me. I liked the unit so well I purchased Harmony One and it now operates seamlessly. Had considered others and YSP but didn't want receiver, connections, etc.-again use 30 day trial. Hook up took less than 10 minutes with opening box, 1 power cord and set of cables to audio out-tv does rest. The 425 is probably not for all but it was perfect for us. Mcdee
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Thanks! Have you tried anything HDMI with the 425? I was wondering how everything would connect. I assume you just connect everything to your tv (via HDMI, component, etc) and then just connect the cable from your audio out to the Zvox. Is this true? I assume your tv would in effect become the switcher?

Yes, you are correct - the TV acts as the switch and audio source, or you can feed audio directly to the ZVOX. My TV has variable audio out which works perfectly with the ZVOX. Very simple and very effective.
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Bron,

I also forgot to ask if you felt that you needed a sub with the 425? I assume you didn't by the review but that is something I needed to know for a family room install. Also, after reading your review again I am somewhat concerned about the lack of clearance in the back. I know you stated they provide you with a right angle audio cable so I guess that would solve the issue but the SANE problem is worth noting. I highly doubt I would wall mount it but I might. Our family room tv is wall mounted but I didn't want to spend another $80 for a wall mount. I really just wanted to put it on the tv cabinet below the tv. Most of the pictures I have seen of the 425 also has it just sitting on a shelf or cabinet anyway. The 325 is still in the running but if I have to buy a sub for it then I have to consider the 425 also (wouldn't be that much of a price difference after that). Thanks again!

The 425 has very powerful bass. I have never used it with the sub all the way up except for testing action DVD's (like Terminator 2). I would feel no need for a sub myself in my listening situation. However, there may be times when a sub would be a plus. An external sub might be able to be placed better for more powerful bass in some setups. However, I think most people will be quite happy using their 425 as is. The bass is more than enough. In my case, the position I have the 425 in is pretty poor as far as optimal bass, yet I still had some thumping output happening. I'm very sure I could increase the bass response even more by positioning the 425 better.

I am no expert and I would love to hear some other opinions, but I have to say, I am hard pressed to think of a situation where a stand alone sub could not potentially improve a sound system. So I wafflle a bit when asked about it. My reasoning is based on several considerations, placement being a big one, but also the fact that if you use a sub, you can reserve more power in the main unit for the other frequencies. Not sure if I am right about that as far as the 425, but seems only logical to me.

That said, I reiterate that the 425's bass response is so strong, I personally would not bother. In fact, even the 325's bass will be plenty for most people, I think. Though it's no match for the 425. It's a very personal decision. Polk sells a fairly decent sub for around $100 if you shop around, so it's not a major expense (yes, I know you can spend 10 times that, but most of us will not). But I truly have not felt the need for it. I may at some point try it just to see how much it adds to the sound.

The cabling is not a big deal, but the location of the SANE control is a flaw, in my opinion. You might fix it a bit by raising the 425 up so you have some more room, but you'll still have to reach over, behind and under to use the control. Not exactly convenient. Some might set it once and leave it. I did not do any testing to see how much it affected the sound, but any compressor will reduce dynamic range, that's the idea. Some people might even prefer it. It will help prevent those unexpected bursts of sound that startle you. Hard to say and again a personal choice. When I turned it on just briefly, everything still sounded fine, but for my tests it was turned off.

I may try turning it on for awhile and see if I can evaluate its effects later. I think most will either turn it on and leave it on or leave it off. Maybe ZVOX thought the same.
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Finally completed system for 20x21 open family room!
Panasonic TH-58PZ800U
Panasonic DMP 35
Comcast with Motorola DCH 3416
ZVOX 425 xs soundbar
Harmony One Remote
Aspen Credenza- 76x21x28
Goal was to clean up wall, Zvox is wall-mounted and we wanted a functional piece of furniture vs. A-V type set-up as we are in mid-fifties.
It took awhile and a lot of research and input from many AVS folks but I'm through as I just mounted the soundbar. Bron does a great job with his review so I won't embarass myself. I would like to make a couple of points about the 425 though. The folks at ZVOX gave me outstanding customer service and responded quickly to all my multiple questions and concerns and insured that I was happy with their system. If at all interested/unsure of their systems a 30 day trial is a must and no brainer. Our room is large and open and 5.1 or 7.1 system would not work well for several reasons. When I first received the 425 I placed it on ladder ( in doorway to the right ) and even off center it was great. We thought 425 sounded better at height (65") than on credenza. We use for music,tv,dvd, and bd and like video it is source dependent but great sound with all and amazing with bluray as our room is full of sound/effects. My complaint was the remote functioned poorly and it appears ZVOX is working on new remote. I almost returned unit due to remote as I sit 18 ft. away and I do adjust phase cue and sub often- the 425 xs has sensor up higher but it didn't help me. I liked the unit so well I purchased Harmony One and it now operates seamlessly. Had considered others and YSP but didn't want receiver, connections, etc.-again use 30 day trial. Hook up took less than 10 minutes with opening box, 1 power cord and set of cables to audio out-tv does rest. The 425 is probably not for all but it was perfect for us. Mcdee

Thanks, mcdee! Great post. I agree that the remote provided is a weak point. Most of the problems are with the remote itself, I think. Those little "bubble" buttons just never work but so well. Using another remote is a good idea. I did note less problems with the 425 than my 415. Since most people will probably use a universal/learning remote or Harmony, not a deal breaker, I don't think.

Great review -- it will be very helpful to many. You made a lot of good points.

Glad you like your 425xs! Nice setup you have there, too.
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Great review Bron! I think that seals it for me. Either I will get the 325 for the family room (very likely) or go for the 425. I just got a great deal on a Polk Surroundbar 50 so I am going to replace my Sony CT100 with that. I am planning on ordering a ZVOX this week though and you made it a lot easier now. You really do like the 325 . I admit I am still drawn to it even with the 425 available. Your review of the 425 though reinforces what I was hoping to hear about it. Great job!

So, you got a Surroundbar 50 and want a 425 for the family room. I am curious which you think is better. With a sub, the Surroundbar 50 seems to be better because it has nine 3.5" drivers and separate inputs for the surround channels. Which are you using where, and why? Thanks!
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So, you got a Surroundbar 50 and want a 425 for the family room. I am curious which you think is better. With a sub, the Surroundbar 50 seems to be better because it has nine 3.5" drivers and separate inputs for the surround channels. Which are you using where, and why? Thanks!

Well I originally had a Sony CT100 and recently sold it to get the soon to be released CT500. I got a great deal on a refurbished Surroundbar 50 and Sub combo directly from Polk so I couldn't refuse. I just got it on Friday and cosmetically it looks practically brand new. This is the speaker I have wanted for quite sometime (I loved the original surroundbar but it wasn't powerful enough) but it was always way to expensive. I missed out on the last great deal on Amazon to get it for practically nothing so I jumped on this. I should have it set up by the end of the week so I can give my impressions. My receiver comes in on Wednesday hopefully. I honestly got back into the 425 hunt because of Bron. His review really made me want it even more . We have another tv in the family room so I will use the 425 there if I get one. Honestly though from the reviews recently it looks like the 425 could easily hold it's own if you chose that as your main system. Who knows, I might buy one and end up using it in the main room........lol .
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Bron, thanks for the great reviews. I had myself almost convinced that the 325 was right for me, but your latest review has me questioning that. I have an open and fairly large family room, so I'm worried the 325 won't be enough for it and the 425 may be the ticket. I like the lower price of the 325 (obviously), so I will have to decide my priorities.

I'm trying to get an idea on the type of sound the Zvox units have. I am a fan of Tivoli radios and your description sounds similar to how I would describe the Tivoli sound. I'm not an audiophile, so I can't describe sound very well, I just know I like the type I get from the Tivoli. Anyone have both a Zvox unit and a Tivoli radio and can give a comparison on the sound signature? Thanks.

Jon
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Thanks for the response YOTR...looking forward to your Surroundbar 50 review eagerly.

Now a question for bron. I already have a very nice Paradigm PS-1000 sub. Which ZVOX would pair best with this? If you add a sub to a ZVOX, will you still get the boomy sub built into the bar or does it crossover?

EDIT: Actually I just re-read your review and saw that the 425 has subwoofer controls. If I want to keep and use my sub, should I go with the 415 or 425? Does the 415 have enough punch? I really don't listen to movies at blaring levels and I am in a townhome. I am really cross-shopping the 4xx XVOX vs a Surroundbar 50 + receiver since I already have the sub. My only concern about the ZVOX is how the surround effect will compare to the Polk. Perhaps neither of them do this well anyway and the point is moot.
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Well I originally had a Sony CT100 and recently sold it to get the soon to be released CT500. I got a great deal on a refurbished Surroundbar 50 and Sub combo directly from Polk so I couldn't refuse. I just got it on Friday and cosmetically it looks practically brand new. This is the speaker I have wanted for quite sometime (I loved the original surroundbar but it wasn't powerful enough) but it was always way to expensive. I missed out on the last great deal on Amazon to get it for practically nothing so I jumped on this. I should have it set up by the end of the week so I can give my impressions. My receiver comes in on Wednesday hopefully. I honestly got back into the 425 hunt because of Bron. His review really made me want it even more . We have another tv in the family room so I will use the 425 there if I get one. Honestly though from the reviews recently it looks like the 425 could easily hold it's own if you chose that as your main system. Who knows, I might buy one and end up using it in the main room........lol .


Well, it would be great to hear a comparison!

The Polk gear seems like it would be pretty good, but I've never heard it. I've just been comparing one ZVOX to another. Someone else needs to do the competitor comparisons. I'm exhausted!

Everyone should keep in mind, as I've stated many times, I'm not looking for true surround sound, just really good sound. Some of the competing units may do surround better - don't really know. But for quick and easy very good sound, the ZVOX line is very nice and delivers exactly what they promise.
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Bron, thanks for the great reviews. I had myself almost convinced that the 325 was right for me, but your latest review has me questioning that. I have an open and fairly large family room, so I'm worried the 325 won't be enough for it and the 425 may be the ticket. I like the lower price of the 325 (obviously), so I will have to decide my priorities.

I'm trying to get an idea on the type of sound the Zvox units have. I am a fan of Tivoli radios and your description sounds similar to how I would describe the Tivoli sound. I'm not an audiophile, so I can't describe sound very well, I just know I like the type I get from the Tivoli. Anyone have both a Zvox unit and a Tivoli radio and can give a comparison on the sound signature? Thanks.

Jon

Jon, you're welcome. It's been a lot of fun doing them.

I tested the 325 in a fairly large family room which opens to a dining room and has an open ceiling (i.e ceiling is 2nd floor ceiling) - a tough situation for any sound system. The 325 did very well, as I wrote "325 has no trouble filling the room with sound ." I think it would be plenty loud for most people watching TV. Sure, the 425 is more powerful, twice the power, twice the price. But it might be overkill for many. There's no doubt it's impressive, but so is the 325.

But, you do not need to guess. ZVOX has one of the best policies of any company I know. You can get a 325 and try it for 30 days and if you decide it does not have enough power, you can return it (they even pay return freight) and get the 425.

The difference in size should be a consideration, the 425 is massive as compared to the 325. Twice as wide (roughly) and almost twice as high (8 vs 5 inches in round numbers). And much different shapes, of course. So keep that in mind.

Also, due to the clear, clean audio and crisp dialog, I find I can listen comfortably at somewhat lower volume levels with the ZVOX units as opposed to my older 2.1 unit.

And don't forget the 415. It has an excellent soundstage and the very nice "soundbar" style design. Same power as 325 but projects it a bit better as the drivers are further apart.

Choices, choices, choices....now you understand how I fell into all this.
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Thanks for the response YOTR...looking forward to your Surroundbar 50 review eagerly.

Now a question for bron. I already have a very nice Paradigm PS-1000 sub. Which ZVOX would pair best with this? If you add a sub to a ZVOX, will you still get the boomy sub built into the bar or does it crossover?

EDIT: Actually I just re-read your review and saw that the 425 has subwoofer controls. If I want to keep and use my sub, should I go with the 415 or 425? Does the 415 have enough punch? I really don't listen to movies at blaring levels and I am in a townhome. I am really cross-shopping the 4xx XVOX vs a Surroundbar 50 + receiver since I already have the sub. My only concern about the ZVOX is how the surround effect will compare to the Polk. Perhaps neither of them do this well anyway and the point is moot.

I'm really out of my league here. I've never had a sub that good, myself.

I think the PS-1000 would work well with the 415, but given its power, you might really need a 425 to match its output. Keep in mind both the 415/425 just feed audio straight up to the sub - no crossover, just a level control. Hopefully your PS-100 has a crossover setting and then you can use the level on the ZVOX to smooth things out, letting the PS-1000 do the heavy lifting and the ZVOX work on the rest. If you listen at moderately loud levels the 415 should work, if you like to rattle the windows, the 425 is the way to go.

But really, you should get someone else's opinion or this or audition them yourself, because I really do not have a good feel or enough experience to guide you in this area. You might want to discuss this with ZVOX and see what they say.

The Polk might be a good choice. Let's see what YOTR thinks of his!

Cheers!
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I live in an apartment therefore I was looking for a compact speaker system that has excellent sound quality that won't cause my neighbors to complain about the noise levels...the ZVOX 325 really looks like a good choice for me but one major negative for me is the fact that I want to be able to control the ZVOX's volume control with my cable remote (my Samsung HDTV does not have the variable audio out feature)...I'm so used to doing that and having to use 2 separate remotes would be very annoying...my cable company is RCN and they do have programmable remotes but I'm worried that it won't allow me to program the ZVOX codes

also are there any similar ZVOX type of home-theatre-in-a-box systems that offer DTS/Dolby Digital 5.1 sound?...or do you have to have a 5.1 speaker setup for that?
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I live in an apartment therefore I was looking for a compact speaker system that has excellent sound quality that won't cause my neighbors to complain about the noise levels...the ZVOX 325 really looks like a good choice for me but one major negative for me is the fact that I want to be able to control the ZVOX's volume control with my cable remote (my Samsung HDTV does not have the variable audio out feature)...I'm so used to doing that and having to use 2 separate remotes would be very annoying...my cable company is RCN and they do have programmable remotes but I'm worried that it won't allow me to program the ZVOX codes

also are there any similar ZVOX type of home-theatre-in-a-box systems that offer DTS/Dolby Digital 5.1 sound?...or do you have to have a 5.1 speaker setup for that?

The 325 does sound like a good choice. You can use a universal learning remote or a Harmony remote to control all your devices with one remote. That would solve your problem.

There are other sound-bar type solutions that allow 5.1 inputs - look back in this thread for mention of some. Others here will know more about them. But if you want real 5.1, then yes, you need a 5.1 speaker setup.

Good luck!
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There is one very simple design/engineering decision almost every manufacturer gets wrong that ZVOX got right. That's the power switch.

Every ZVOX unit has three power modes. On, Off, or Auto (standby). You can set it to stay on, stay off, or in auto-standby mode to automatically turn itself on or off depending on whether it is getting an audio signal or not. Such a simple thing, but very useful and by doing so they have addressed every possible preference for their customer base.

Why don't more manufactures get this right? I don't know, but very few do.

I also happen to agree with their analog audio approach and KISS design philosophy. It makes their gear very easy to setup and use, and also very, very flexible! It was one of the key factors that attracted me to ZVOX.
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Well I got my Polk Surroundbar 50 and I am very impressed. At the same time I ordered a ZVOX 325 and connected my cheap polk sub to it (that I am using with my surroundbar). I must say I was very impressed with it and honestly I am having a hard time deciding. I can put the ZVOX on the shelf below my tv so it almost blends in and looks like a center channel speaker. I also love the simple setup. If I go with ZVOX, I will have to buy a HDMI switcher as I just upgraded my tv to a Pioneer Plasma monitor which only has 2 HDMI ports. With the Surroundbar 50, I am using a yamaha receiver that has a 4 in 1 HDMI switcher built in. Now I could just go with the 325 with sub and order the OPPO 3 in 1 HDMI switcher. I could also buy a 425 but I would definitely have to wall mount the tv. I am trying to avoid mounting the tv now so that is something to consider. Of course mounting it wouldn't be so bad to just have one speaker and no sub (425). I do think the Polk sounds great though so I am going to think about it. I really don't want to buy an HDMI switcher but the OPPO one seems like the only one reviewed that truly equals a receiver switcher which is good. Bron, I am having trouble deciding!!! LOL
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Well I got my Polk Surroundbar 50 and I am very impressed. At the same time I ordered a ZVOX 325 and connected my cheap polk sub to it (that I am using with my surroundbar). I must say I was very impressed with it and honestly I am having a hard time deciding. I can put the ZVOX on the shelf below my tv so it almost blends in and looks like a center channel speaker. I also love the simple setup. If I go with ZVOX, I will have to buy a HDMI switcher as I just upgraded my tv to a Pioneer Plasma monitor which only has 2 HDMI ports. With the Surroundbar 50, I am using a yamaha receiver that has a 4 in 1 HDMI switcher built in. Now I could just go with the 325 with sub and order the OPPO 3 in 1 HDMI switcher. I could also buy a 425 but I would definitely have to wall mount the tv. I am trying to avoid mounting the tv now so that is something to consider. Of course mounting it wouldn't be so bad to just have one speaker and no sub (425). I do think the Polk sounds great though so I am going to think about it. I really don't want to buy an HDMI switcher but the OPPO one seems like the only one reviewed that truly equals a receiver switcher which is good. Bron, I am having trouble deciding!!! LOL

Well, first, I'd love to hear more about the Polk. Pros and cons on the sound, surround sound (soundstage), and so on. If you ever get time.

As far as the rest, you'll have to decide, but I will tell you my thinking, which may or may not work for you. First, if you are happy with the sound of the 325 and the Polk sub, I'd say stick with it and save some money vs. buying the 425. I think the 325 and the sub is a great combo and it's half the cost.

Second, the oppo looks like a nice switch. I am a real believer in modular components that I can reconfigure as needed, and so I would not hesitate to buy an HDMI switch. It can be reused later in otheri situations. So seems like a decent investment to me.

Third, I see the ZVOX 325 as one of the most versatile units in their line, in that it can be easily used in so many different ways. It's small enough to work in a bedroom or office, loud enough for a family room, good enough to serve as a music sound system, works great with almost any audio device on the planet, is easy to move around and simple to hook up, and so on.

Finally, though you really can live without a sub with the 425...I still think a sub is great to have. It's simple physics, the larger cone size on a sub will allow more thumps and whumps than even the 425 can muster on the very low end. Now, some will be very happy and quite satisfied with the 425 low end, but others will still want a sub. I'm on the fence, myself.

So with a 325 and sub, I think you have a really good combo that's (for the money) hard to beat. Even with the cost of the switch.

So again, I would fall back on what fits my space better? If I was going to wall mount my TV, I'd definitely go with a 415 or 425 unit. No question about it. That would be one nice looking and sweet sounding set-up. The 425 would be very impressive in that configuration, but a 415 would also be a viable choice.

If I were not going to wall mount, and I had a good spot for the 325 and a sub, I'd be hard pressed to justify going with a 425 - unless I just wanted to go whole hog. The 425 is the cream of the crop.

The good news is that it sounds like you should be quite happy whichever choice you make! (I'm leaving the Polk out of the this simply because I don't know anything about it. Just giving you my thoughts on the ZVOX gear.)

As I said earlier, I would be very interested in your comparison of the Polk and the 325. Doesn't have to be a ton of verbiage, just an assessment of the strengths and weaknesses of each, or your general impressions.

Cheers!
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Well I got my Polk Surroundbar 50 and I am very impressed. At the same time I ordered a ZVOX 325 and connected my cheap polk sub to it (that I am using with my surroundbar). I must say I was very impressed with it and honestly I am having a hard time deciding. I can put the ZVOX on the shelf below my tv so it almost blends in and looks like a center channel speaker. I also love the simple setup. If I go with ZVOX, I will have to buy a HDMI switcher as I just upgraded my tv to a Pioneer Plasma monitor which only has 2 HDMI ports. With the Surroundbar 50, I am using a yamaha receiver that has a 4 in 1 HDMI switcher built in. Now I could just go with the 325 with sub and order the OPPO 3 in 1 HDMI switcher. I could also buy a 425 but I would definitely have to wall mount the tv. I am trying to avoid mounting the tv now so that is something to consider. Of course mounting it wouldn't be so bad to just have one speaker and no sub (425). I do think the Polk sounds great though so I am going to think about it. I really don't want to buy an HDMI switcher but the OPPO one seems like the only one reviewed that truly equals a receiver switcher which is good. Bron, I am having trouble deciding!!! LOL

I'm in the same boat as you, I got the Pioneer monitor as well. As far as I can tell I would only be able to connect two devices to the Zvox which is why I ruled out the Zvox. If you already have a receiver, why not just keep the Surroundbar 50?

I'm trying to figure out if I should get a passive soundbar (Polk 50, Mirage Uni, Def Tech Mythos) or just buy a powered soundbar (Yamaha YSP, Marantz ES7001). I've got space considerations so soundbar is it for me.

How is the Polk for TV watching and movies, curious to know how you found the imaging and soundstage. Limited sweet spot?
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I'm in the same boat as you, I got the Pioneer monitor as well. As far as I can tell I would only be able to connect two devices to the Zvox which is why I ruled out the Zvox. If you already have a receiver, why not just keep the Surroundbar 50?

I'm trying to figure out if I should get a passive soundbar (Polk 50, Mirage Uni, Def Tech Mythos) or just buy a powered soundbar (Yamaha YSP, Marantz ES7001). I've got space considerations so soundbar is it for me.

How is the Polk for TV watching and movies, curious to know how you found the imaging and soundstage. Limited sweet spot?



I like the new tv . Don't care for the tight fitting HDMI ports though. It also buzzes a little more than more old Pioneer 5020 but it's hardly noticeable (don't have speakers attached yet and could barely hear it from my 7 foot viewing distance). As for the polk, it sounds great as expected. I had the original surroundbar a couple of years ago. The main issue with me is that I don't want to wall mount this tv and the surroundbar will not fit in front of it without blocking some of the screen. I should of researched that before I bought the surroundbar. Like my post above, I am very impressed with the ZVOX and honestly a good quality switcher (oppo is the only one I could recommend) would resolve the HDMI input shortage. The zvox can't compare surround sound wise to the polk but what it lacks in that department it makes up for in pure sound. I have similar goals like Bron in that I just want good clean crisp sound. I like some bass but figure I can either keep the polk sub I got cheap or buy a cheaper one for the zvox in case I end up selling the surroundbar with it. I am currently testing the ZVOX with a PSW111 and it sounds very good. The surroundbar 50 surround sound wise is a huge improvement over the original. I can hear stuff coming from the left and right and if I move the couch up just a couple of feet (it is against a wall right no), I even get sound from behind. Of course though I had a CT100 before this and honestly as long as the sound is clear and coming at me, I am good. I care more about the video side of home theater than the audio. I can honestly recommend the polk if you have the money. I got a great deal on it so at least if I do sell it I probably will break even or lose very little in the long run. Bron just made me take a long hard look at ZVOX and I am glad I did. I am not saying I am going that route for the living room (probably will for the family room) but I also can't imagine sending the 325 back now.
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Well, first, I'd love to hear more about the Polk. Pros and cons on the sound, surround sound (soundstage), and so on. If you ever get time.

As far as the rest, you'll have to decide, but I will tell you my thinking, which may or may not work for you. First, if you are happy with the sound of the 325 and the Polk sub, I'd say stick with it and save some money vs. buying the 425. I think the 325 and the sub is a great combo and it's half the cost.

Second, the oppo looks like a nice switch. I am a real believer in modular components that I can reconfigure as needed, and so I would not hesitate to buy an HDMI switch. It can be reused later in otheri situations. So seems like a decent investment to me.

Third, I see the ZVOX 325 as one of the most versatile units in their line, in that it can be easily used in so many different ways. It's small enough to work in a bedroom or office, loud enough for a family room, good enough to serve as a music sound system, works great with almost any audio device on the planet, is easy to move around and simple to hook up, and so on.

Finally, though you really can live without a sub with the 425...I still think a sub is great to have. It's simple physics, the larger cone size on a sub will allow more thumps and whumps than even the 425 can muster on the very low end. Now, some will be very happy and quite satisfied with the 425 low end, but others will still want a sub. I'm on the fence, myself.

So with a 325 and sub, I think you have a really good combo that's (for the money) hard to beat. Even with the cost of the switch.

So again, I would fall back on what fits my space better? If I was going to wall mount my TV, I'd definitely go with a 415 or 425 unit. No question about it. That would be one nice looking and sweet sounding set-up. The 425 would be very impressive in that configuration, but a 415 would also be a viable choice.

If I were not going to wall mount, and I had a good spot for the 325 and a sub, I'd be hard pressed to justify going with a 425 - unless I just wanted to go whole hog. The 425 is the cream of the crop.

The good news is that it sounds like you should be quite happy whichever choice you make! (I'm leaving the Polk out of the this simply because I don't know anything about it. Just giving you my thoughts on the ZVOX gear.)

As I said earlier, I would be very interested in your comparison of the Polk and the 325. Doesn't have to be a ton of verbiage, just an assessment of the strengths and weaknesses of each, or your general impressions.

Cheers!

Bron,

Read my post above for Polk impressions. I don't know what I am going to do yet but at least I have an offer from a friend for the surroundbar if I decide to sell it. He wants the sub also as a package deal so I would have to re-buy one if I go the ZVOX route. I might have two 325's in the house soon........lol .
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I like the new tv . Don't care for the tight fitting HDMI ports though. It also buzzes a little more than more old Pioneer 5020 but it's hardly noticeable (don't have speakers attached yet and could barely hear it from my 7 foot viewing distance). As for the polk, it sounds great as expected. I had the original surroundbar a couple of years ago. The main issue with me is that I don't want to wall mount this tv and the surroundbar will not fit in front of it without blocking some of the screen. I should of researched that before I bought the surroundbar. Like my post above, I am very impressed with the ZVOX and honestly a good quality switcher (oppo is the only one I could recommend) would resolve the HDMI input shortage. The zvox can't compare surround sound wise to the polk but what it lacks in that department it makes up for in pure sound. I have similar goals like Bron in that I just want good clean crisp sound. I like some bass but figure I can either keep the polk sub I got cheap or buy a cheaper one for the zvox in case I end up selling the surroundbar with it. I am currently testing the ZVOX with a PSW111 and it sounds very good. The surroundbar 50 surround sound wise is a huge improvement over the original. I can hear stuff coming from the left and right and if I move the couch up just a couple of feet (it is against a wall right no), I even get sound from behind. Of course though I had a CT100 before this and honestly as long as the sound is clear and coming at me, I am good. I care more about the video side of home theater than the audio. I can honestly recommend the polk if you have the money. I got a great deal on it so at least if I do sell it I probably will break even or lose very little in the long run. Bron just made me take a long hard look at ZVOX and I am glad I did. I am not saying I am going that route for the living room (probably will for the family room) but I also can't imagine sending the 325 back now.

I only quickly turned my power on to make sure my Pioneer is working but I'll see how bad that buzzing is too.

About the HDMI switch, I don't think you can connect devices to the Pioneer monitor and then run the audio out to the Zvox or any other unit. With the Pioneer, any audio devices would have to be directly connected to a receiver or the inputs of a soundbar no? From what I understand the Pioneer monitor doesn't have an HDMI out or an audio out for that matter so the Oppo HDMI switch wouldn't help (unless the Zvox does have an HDMI input which I'm pretty sure none do).

I'm mostly with you on the good clear audio part. I can do without surroundsound but I figured the passive Polk Surroundbar would sound better than the Zvox and have better imaging and soundstage (for soundbars that is.

Thanks for your input, much appreciated. I've heard the Sony CT100 and it was ok but the Yamaha YSP-1100 I heard in the same room sounded much better. The CT100 sounded a bit boxy, as though the sound was more right in front, close to the speaker. Does the Polk Surroundbar suffer greatly from this or a vast improvement over the CT100?
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I only quickly turned my power on to make sure my Pioneer is working but I'll see how bad that buzzing is too.

About the HDMI switch, I don't think you can connect devices to the Pioneer monitor and then run the audio out to the Zvox or any other unit. With the Pioneer, any audio devices would have to be directly connected to a receiver or the inputs of a soundbar no? From what I understand the Pioneer monitor doesn't have an HDMI out or an audio out for that matter so the Oppo HDMI switch wouldn't help (unless the Zvox does have an HDMI input which I'm pretty sure none do).

I'm mostly with you on the good clear audio part. I can do without surroundsound but I figured the passive Polk Surroundbar would sound better than the Zvox and have better imaging and soundstage (for soundbars that is.

Thanks for your input, much appreciated. I've heard the Sony CT100 and it was ok but the Yamaha YSP-1100 I heard in the same room sounded much better. The CT100 sounded a bit boxy, as though the sound was more right in front, close to the speaker. Does the Polk Surroundbar suffer greatly from this or a vast improvement over the CT100?

Actually that is one thing I am trying to find out about the Pioneer. My old 5020 had an audio/line out. I checked and it looks like the 500m has audio out but I don't know if it works the same way. With Zvox, you can just plug the speaker into the audio out on your tv and then plug everything else in like normal so the tv acts like the switch. So if you plug something in the HDMI port, it will send the audio out to the ZVOX. I don't know if that will work on the 500m or not. I have only tested the 325 I have on our back tv but I need to check that tonigh on the 500m. I literally just powered on the 500m to make sure it worked and went to bed.
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For what it's worth I have the Polk Surroundbar 50" in my more conservative living room setup. I matched it with the Cambridge Audio 540R V2 receiver and recently added an SVS PB12 plus subwoofer in piano black. I can honestly say I love this combination. It certainly gets the job done. In fact, I was watching "Slumdog Millionaire" the other night and the scene where the plane flies over the slums made me jump out of my seat! Very cool!
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