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post #31 of 585
Bron, you da man! Like you I have my TV (Samsung 46 LCD) in a family room with vaulted celings, lots of windows and opens to a kitchen and eating area. I do not have room for true 5.1 and when I play my TV through the existing stereo it just doesn't cut it because the speakers are mounted high on the walls and not at all centered on the TV. Plus I have just one logical place to put a unit - under the TV in a shelf area just larger than a ZVOX 325. I spoke to the ZVOX people and they said the 325 doesn't need a lot of room around it, it mostly needs some room behind for the woofer. Like you I will be fine with analog - I am just looking for a listening experience bettter than the built-in TV speakers and clear dialog.

Based on your posts it sounds like the 325 will suit us well. Can you confirm that dialog is good on TV and movies please. Once that is confirmed I will be placing my order. I place such a value on dialog because my 58 year-old ears don't always catch the dialog with the TV speakers and it is frustrating. Of course it would also be nice if the 325 enhances movie sound effects.

Also, like you I used to pay a lot of attention to my sound technology with lots of components, etc. Now I want it simple but good.

Thanks again! This is the real power of the Internet. People sharing experiences!
post #32 of 585
Good stuff yet again Bron, and da1writer's responses equally good.

Zvox's tradition, and their approach to using analog vs digital..all of that intrigued me as well. I was really going back and forth between zvox and ct100. Main reason I ended up choosing Ct100 was that except for the 550, all zvox systems (325, 415, 425) required some kind of shelving or wall mounting, whereas ct100 could sit right in front of the tv witout obstructing the view. Also reading that the zvox sound isn't that great unless you're right in the center of it, had a lot to do with it, but from your review, that does not seem to be the case.

My Sony alreay arrived in the mail today, (took 2 days, crazy fast!), so I will be able to test it out tonight.
post #33 of 585
yubjun, let me know how you like the Sony. I'm going to hhgregg tomorrow to look at whatever they have.
post #34 of 585
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yubjun, let me know how you like the Sony. I'm going to hhgregg tomorrow to look at whatever they have.

Sure. This is my thought after one night of playing mostly movies out of my PC, and watching HD channel shows via cable box, and listening to music via PC as well.

Design
I love the design of the sound bar. It's simple, thin, and aesthetically pleasing. It's also black, and it goes perfectly with my TV. Subwoofer is nicely built as well, but it is big. Subwoofer being big was a bit of a downer for me, because I want to keeps things aroudn my TV to be minimally visible, and the big sub is hard to miss visually.

Placement
Sound bar fits perfectly right below my LCD TV. It looks almost like it came with the TV. I have a 52 inch, but the sound bar could probably accomdate as low as 32inch. Anyway, I couldn't ask for a better fit from a speaker. This is very important for me, because I wouldn't know where to place the bigger sound bars. I know you can always place them on the wall but I really rather not put holes on my wall yet.

Integrated Amp
This is a feature I really didn't care much about before getting CT100, but now that I got it, it's actually pretty cool. I think having Sony TV with CT100 probably would have made it an even bigger deal, since you can use one remote for both TV and Audio. I may think about investing in a universal remote, but I doubt it; part of reason I went with CT100 was the price, and I really can't justify spending another $100+ on a universal remote.

Price
Price was awesome. I got it for $246. There aren't many 3.1 or less speaker system lower than that with the features and quality of CT100. In fact, I don't think there's any, and even if you increase price range to $500, the answer would be similar.

Features
Various features such as Audio DRC, Sound Field, and others are good, but I really didn't care for them. I wish there was one setting that came standard that was good for all kinds of audio source. Maybe wishful thinking, but I'm lazy guy, but also picky, so I hate when I have to keep putting effort to tinker stuff to satisfy my pickines. Pretty soon, my laziness will take over, and I will just end up listening to badly set configuration and just blame it on audio instead of on my laziness.

Sound
Now, the sound. Of course this is the most important aspect.

On movies and HD TV channels, sound effects are great. I say great, because I think it is. You feel the full low, and high effects very well, and it can get pretty loud for good quality video sources. I was playing a low quality movie from PC, and the sound sucked, but I can't really blame that on CT100. Music is pretty good as well.

I still don't know if I'm hearing surround sound. I wish there was an easy way to find out. Because I use PC for most of my movie watching and music listening, I want to find out PC is setup properly to maximize use of CT100. But so far, I haven't figured it out yet. It's only been a day so we'll see.

Voice and dialogue is where, so far, I have not been too impressed by it. Perhaps, I'm expecting too much here, but the dialogue on any of the audio sources I have tested have not been that crisp. They sound a little muffled at times although it's not awful. Because I watch a lot of movies, I want to be able to understand what actors are saying - this is actually more important for me than sound effects. I hate when I have to concentrate really hard to find out what they are saying...

Combining the loud effects with non-crisp dialogue forced me to constantly increase sound when I can't hear the dialogue, to decreasing the sound when the effects were too loud. It was kinda annoying. This was true for both music (yes I listen to lyrics, or at least try to), and movies. I wish I could find one setting that had good crisp voice and sound effect sound.
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Final thought
I'm not dissatisfied by CT100, but I'm not blown away by it. If I could only get crisper dialogue, it would be great, but then hearing crisp dialogue weights so much on what good qualiy Audio system, at least to me.

I still am not sure if there's a better alternative though. I really am tempted to try out the Zvox, but I still don't know how can I solve the placement problem with those speakers. 550 will be the only exception, but it is also twice as expensive as CT100, and from the looks of it, it's not that powerful..
post #35 of 585
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Guys, I'm enjoying the info you guys are providing. I have a 46 inch Samsung 120Hz tv and have been looking at home theater systems. I have really been interested in sound bars and the information here has been helpful. This is the first I had heard of Zvox and it's quite interesting. You might can steer me in the right direction, my room is 20X24 and I really just want to improve audio on movies and tv programs with music. I listen to my main music with an old Pioneer, Onkyo and Sony stereo system, so it would not be for main music listening but just an improvement that comes out of this tv. I'll continue to read, thanks for the info.

I haven't measured but my room is also around 20x24. It's a pretty safe bet that the ZVOX units would be a big improvement over your TV speakers.

But then almost any of the systems mentioned would be. Does your Samsung have variable audio out via standard RCA jacks? If so, it would work well with the ZVOX units and you can control the volume levels with your TV remote.

I'll be posting more on the ZVOX with DVD and TV content later, so stay tuned. By the way, they have a 30-day return policy, so if you do decide to try ZVOX, you won't be stuck if you get it and don't like it. I think they even pay the return shipping, but check with them to be sure if you decide to order.

It sounds like out situations are similar, so good luck and be sure to let us know, if you try them, what you think.
post #36 of 585
The Samsungs do not have variable volume out. The volume is fixed. So control of volume will be via the ZVOX.
post #37 of 585
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Originally Posted by Nautiduck View Post

Bron, you da man! Like you I have my TV (Samsung 46 LCD) in a family room with vaulted celings, lots of windows and opens to a kitchen and eating area. I do not have room for true 5.1 and when I play my TV through the existing stereo it just doesn't cut it because the speakers are mounted high on the walls and not at all centered on the TV. Plus I have just one logical place to put a unit - under the TV in a shelf area just larger than a ZVOX 325. I spoke to the ZVOX people and they said the 325 doesn't need a lot of room around it, it mostly needs some room behind for the woofer. Like you I will be fine with analog - I am just looking for a listening experience bettter than the built-in TV speakers and clear dialog.

Based on your posts it sounds like the 325 will suit us well. Can you confirm that dialog is good on TV and movies please. Once that is confirmed I will be placing my order. I place such a value on dialog because my 58 year-old ears don't always catch the dialog with the TV speakers and it is frustrating. Of course it would also be nice if the 325 enhances movie sound effects.

Also, like you I used to pay a lot of attention to my sound technology with lots of components, etc. Now I want it simple but good.

Thanks again! This is the real power of the Internet. People sharing experiences!

Hey, Nautiduck! (Great handle, btw.)

Sounds like we have a very similar situation and needs, as do some others here. If you order from ZVOX, confirm with them, but my understanding is that they will pay return shipping if you do not like the unit and you have 30 days to try it out.

I will be posting more, but here is my quick take based on your specific request. Yes, the dialog is very crisp and clear with DVD content. With TV movies, so far, it seems to vary depending on the quality of the source itself, but I would say generally very clear as well. There have been a few exceptions, but I'm pretty sure it was the source material and not the ZVOX. I do not have extensive listening time, yet, so keep that in mind. But, generally, I've been very satisfied with the clarity of the dialog. Much better than with my current setup.

The ZVOX does not seem to help general, crummy TV show sound, that much, as they themselves freely point out on their web site somewhere. You do benefit from the increased dynamic range and detailed sound, but, obviously, if the sound is crummy from the source, it will still be crummy.

The increase in dynamic range is very noticeable. This is mainly good, but there is the situation where you can get a sudden, loud noise and it might startle you or annoy those not watching TV with you.

The 325 sounds like a good choice for you. It has a nice, convenient front input which is missing from the other units. It's fairly light for its size. There's little or no heat as the power supply is external, so it should be happy in a cabinet or shelf setup. You may have to pull it in and out a few times to get the sub-woofer level right. I would start at about 1/2 way, which seems to be pretty good for both movies and music (obviously, some may like more bass for action movies). I think it could use a little more power, but my wife thinks it's plenty loud enough. (It's got plenty of power for normal listening. Actually, I find it's always louder than I think it is, which is good, because it can overdrive (distort) at the max volume level.)

It's not perfect, but it's a big improvement. If you try it. Please be sure to come back here and post and let us know what you think!

(If I get time, I will try to post again tonight on my DVD listening test with the 325.)
post #38 of 585
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Another MINI comment...

I have my ZVOX MINI hooked up to my SoundBridge (netwrok audio/radio streamer) and have been having a lot of fun with it. By the way, the SoundBridge (by Roku) is a nice piece of gear. A real treat. It looks great, works great, and is a lot of fun. Check it out if you're into inet radio (over 12,000 stations from all around the world, very cool!). Anyway, one of the "stations" is "Nature Sounds" -- I set the PhaseCue to very wide and let her rip, closed my eyes and sat back. Soon I was at the beach listening to the waves break. Ah, very relaxing. The sound quality was very good...it took just a wee bit of pretending to be there. Later I listened and it was birds in a forest or jungle. If you've ever been in an active aviary, that's what it sounded like. Very cool. Of course, music sound very good as well.

These two gizmos really do make a great pair (the SoundBridge has no speakers, it just has an 3.5mm audio out). I am really enjoying them. It would almost be worth purchasing a ZVOX MINI just for use with the SoundBridge. So far I've tried the MINI with a portable DVD player, mp3 player, portable CD player and soon a Bluetooth audio streamer. So far, it has worked well with everything and everything sounded great. You can combine it with just about anything to make a nice portable system.
post #39 of 585
Thanks for the update. Nauti Duck is the name of our sailboat. We are big University of Oregon Duck fans!
post #40 of 585
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The Samsungs do not have variable volume out. The volume is fixed. So control of volume will be via the ZVOX.

Well, that leaves the 315 out, then, as it does not come with a remote. Would not be good for you anyway as the controls are in the rear.

The other ZVOX units all have a remote. The 325 remote has MUTE and VOLUME UP/DOWN. That's it. The unit turns on and off automatically (from standby mode) in normal use and this has worked well for me (I have checked to make sure it works). The 415, 425, 550 all have *all* their functions on the remote. Not a big deal, but something to be aware of. The MINI remote is the same as the 325. In fact, the MINI and 325 are very similar as far as functions and use.

I use a Harmony remote. I just checked and happily the ZVOX gear is available (under Amplifier). If you have a learning remote, again no problem to learn the few functions.
post #41 of 585
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Thanks for the update. Nauti Duck is the name of our sailboat. We are big University of Oregon Duck fans!

I almost asked if you were a sailing man.
post #42 of 585
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Good stuff yet again Bron, and da1writer's responses equally good.

Zvox's tradition, and their approach to using analog vs digital..all of that intrigued me as well. I was really going back and forth between zvox and ct100. Main reason I ended up choosing Ct100 was that except for the 550, all zvox systems (325, 415, 425) required some kind of shelving or wall mounting, whereas ct100 could sit right in front of the tv witout obstructing the view. Also reading that the zvox sound isn't that great unless you're right in the center of it, had a lot to do with it, but from your review, that does not seem to be the case.

My Sony alreay arrived in the mail today, (took 2 days, crazy fast!), so I will be able to test it out tonight.

Yes, placement is an issue with all these units one way or the other (over/under, in front of TV? Where to put the sub?) - I will have to deal with that myself -- saving that for last.

The CT-100 looks like a real deal for the price and would be hard to beat, in my opinion. Just a few little things (as mentioned earlier) put me off.

Yes, while the PhaseCue effect is strongest directly in front, it persists to a fair degree off axis and the further back from the unit the better, so I really can't see how it would be an issue in most real life situations. As I said, I am not aware of any system that does not vary as you move about the room. With the 325, I sat and watched off to one side and it was fine. A bit weaker and narrower effect, but still fine. With the 415 it was even less of an issue. Even with the mini where this is the most pronounced, it covered a very reasonable area.
post #43 of 585
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Sure. This is my thought after one night of playing mostly movies out of my PC, and watching HD channel shows via cable box, and listening to music via PC as well.
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Final thought
I'm not dissatisfied by CT100, but I'm not blown away by it. If I could only get crisper dialogue, it would be great, but then hearing crisp dialogue weights so much on what good qualiy Audio system, at least to me.

I still am not sure if there's a better alternative though. I really am tempted to try out the Zvox, but I still don't know how can I solve the placement problem with those speakers. 550 will be the only exception, but it is also twice as expensive as CT100, and from the looks of it, it's not that powerful..

Thanks, yubjun! Great post. Does the CT100 have any adjustments for treble or "center" strength? That might help the dialog. Maybe da1writer will have some tips. Also, sometimes it takes a bit to get used to a new setup and tweak it just right, so it may improve.
post #44 of 585
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Well, I had some time to take the ZVOX 325 for a spin with my std. test DVD, the Terminator 2 Extreme edition and here are some comments from the notes I made while listening. For these test's I turned up the sub-woofer levels and PhaseCue levels and also varied the volume quite a bit from time to time to see how that affected things.

As I have said, I don't consider the PhaseCue effect to be anything like true 5.1 surround sound, nor does ZVOX claim that it is. I liked da1writer's use of "dome effect" to describe it. But it's hard to describe. There's definitely the sense that the soundstage is "wide" and "deep" -- with music there's a very "live" ambiance, with standard TV fair there's not much of anything, and with other content it varies. With a well designed and produced DVD like Terminator 2 Ultimate, you probably get the best it has to offer. There are plenty of well planned audio cues in T2 lovingly put there to juice things up, so I was very curious to see how the 325 would do with it.

Let me stop here for a minute, though, and go very directly at the main question. Do you get that "at the movies" sound and feel? And the answer, in my opinion, is yes. You definitely get "big sound" from the 325. It may not be 5.1 surround, but it is a very immersive sound that at times does feel like it's "all around" you (though I never once heard a truly directional sound behind me). I'd say it's more 3.1+ than 5.1, but it's one hell of a lot better than your TV's speakers (or my current 2.1 setup) by far. There's great dynamic range, very detailed accents, crisp, clear dialog that stays centered and everything sounds natural. So, yes, to me it had that "at the movies" feel to it and that will be enough for many of us.

In T2, there were plenty of chances for the 325 to show its stuff. And mostly it did. The Harley sounded like a Harley - nice throaty rumble, you could feel the Harley rumble when he throttled up. The scooter sounded like a scooter, the music at the end of the bar scene was outstanding. As mentioned, there were many times when I felt as if the sound as all around me in a general sense (though as I mentioned, I never once truly hear anything behind me in a directional sense). I did hear lots of directional queues off to both sides, deep and far away, to the front, left, and right. Sort of a semihemisphere of sound most of the time, that, at times, could become a dome-like sound. Anyway, if you ever sit all the way at the back of the theatre, sort of like that.

I noticed that the transitions between interior and exterior settings was very convincing. And things like hallways sounded right. (So, I could close my eyes and tell you when they left the room and walked down a hallway easily, to the credit of the sound team on T2.) Once the Psychiatrist spoke on an intercom and the sound was superb - they pegged it and the 325 pegged it.

The dialog was crisp and clear throughout. I never once had any trouble hearing anything that was said (of course, I had it pretty loud most of the time - like a theatre, right?), but when I did turn it down, I still never noticed any difficulty hearing anything said. The dialog always stayed centered, as it should - I never noticed any "processed" coloration added to the sound.

If there was anyplace it might fall short of true "theatre" sound, I'd say it was the big explosions -- it just does not have bass down into that bone jarring range, but then I doubt many soundbar systems do and the 325 does have an output especially for adding a true powered sub-woofer, should you feel the need. That said, I have a small powered sub on my 2.1 system and the 325 was almost as good [edit: I had said "better" but after doing some A/B tests, I changed my mind, I think the powered sub did better]. When I cranked the sub-woofer levels I was definitely getting lows I could feel. edit: [But after further tests, I concluded it could not match a separate sub-woofer, even my small one. Though when cranked up, it still sounded pretty good.]

There was great dynamic range, so there could be soft whispering and then a sudden crescendo (as Director's love to do) of metal clattering down (or whatever) that would make you jump. I could move around the room and the sound remained convincing over a wide arc. Yes, the soundstage shifted a bit, and from some places was more directional, but never did the effect "collapse" and I could have enjoyed it from any reasonable position, though, yes, the best seat in the house is in center. However, as you move back, the "center" is fairly wide, so at about 12 feet back, I'd say it extends and good 4-6 feet off axis to the left or right. (I did not actually try to measure this. Just guessing.)

The audio fidelity of the ZVOX lends a realism to the sound effects - that "live" quality I mentioned before in my music listening tests. And the musical score obviously benefits as well. You may notice the music in your movies a bit more, I did. The 325 won't blow the windows out, but it had plenty of volume for my fairly large, open room (more than enough to annoy other family members during my tests, LOL!). Certainly plenty for normal listening. In fact, my ears were ringing a bit after my "max volume" tests.

One DVD does not a thorough test make, so I will be doing more listening tests, but the 325 is off to a good start!
post #45 of 585
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I have a Roku Netflix Player that streams DVD content via the inet from Netflix servers to my HDTV (awesome device in itself, if you like movies, foreign films, documentaries, and such, look into it!). It has HD video but only std. analog audio - so great match for the ZVOX 325, right?

I've tried a few shows, one of the best, so far, was a live concert DVD "Talking Heads: Stop Making Sense" which plays to one of the ZVOX's strengths, music. I enjoyed it very much. I noticed great horns, drums, vocals, just great sound overall, really. Way better than TV speakers or my current 2.1 setup.

The ZVOX PhaseCue worked very well with this content, giving it an open, live, spacious sound. As I've mentioned before, the ZVOX handles the sudden attack of drums and other percussion instruments extremely well. The brass really stood out, as well, having a nice, live "present" sound. I did not have to turn it up loud to get good sound quality. It sounded good even at low to moderate levels. Listening to live concert DVD's is going to be a treat, I can tell already! This is one place (music content) where I think the ZVOX may have an edge over some of the competition, but that's only a guess, since I have no way to compare them directly.
post #46 of 585
Hey Bron, awesome reviews so far, keep em coming !
Though I'd drop by and say that and also to keep your eyes peeled for this unit:
http://ces.cnet.com/8301-19167_1-101...rColumnArea1.1
It's set up just like the ZVOX but has a separate sub (included receiver), kinda a bit pricey though. I'm going to get it for testing purposes though whenver it comes out.
post #47 of 585
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Hey Bron, awesome reviews so far, keep em coming !
Though I'd drop by and say that and also to keep your eyes peeled for this unit:
http://ces.cnet.com/8301-19167_1-101...rColumnArea1.1
It's set up just like the ZVOX but has a separate sub (included receiver), kinda a bit pricey though. I'm going to get it for testing purposes though whenever it comes out.

Darn! Now you've done it! Just when I was starting to feel settled, too.

The Polk sounds pretty darn good to me. A wireless sub-woofer is a very attractive option to me as is 260 watts of power! With a $550 list price, the street price should be less, hopefully, and then I think it's pretty competitive. The ZVOX 415 lists at $499.99 (though now selling for $399.99) and is only 60 watts, the 425, which lists for $699.99 and is selling now for $599.99, is only 133 watts. So the Polk gives you twice the power plus the separate wireless sub-woofer for around the same price. Ouch! That's hard to beat! (Of course, it's the actual sound that matters!) [Edit: CORRECTION! The Polk is only 130 watts! The 260 is "peak" watts - so the true comparison is 130 vs. 133 -i.e. the same!]

I will be very much looking forward to your tests! Thanks for pointing this one out, it sounds like a winner to me. I'd say Polk sized up the market pretty well and went right for the sweet spot. Of course, the performance of the unit will be the deciding factor. If the street price is in the $450 area, look out! (P.S. Raw power, is not, of course, any guide to performance, just a consideration
post #48 of 585
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Update to 325 Review!

I went back and made some edits to the initial T2 DVD test of the 325. After doing some A/B comparisons, I decided the 325 did not match the separate powered sub-woofer. While listening, it sure sounded pretty good and I felt the bass was strong (and it is). But when I took the trouble to wire up and do some A/B listening tests, it was clear the separate sub-woofer sounded better.

As you might expect, I guess. In fact, that's what spurred me to go to all the trouble, a nagging suspicion that this should be the case. While I had it hooked up, I also did some comparisons between my 2.1 setup (actually TV speakers augmented by the 2 monitor quality speakers and the powered sub-woofer) and the 325 using the Roku player streaming a Herbie Hancock DVD, "Herbie Hancock: Possibilities".

Again, the low end was better with my current set-up and actually my 2.1 did a pretty good job with this content and held its own. The 325 was light on the low end, but it pulled ahead with strong, clear dialog and vocals, and the more spacious PhaseCue soundstage. But it was not as great a difference as I had imagined it would be, at low-to-moderate volume levels anyway (it's getting late, so can't blast away now). I think the 325 would pull away as the volumes were increased. The 325 had a more clear, detailed sound overall. There were some differences in sonic emphasis as well, but its hard to know which was "correct" and some of it was certainly due to the better low end of the sub-woofer. Both sounded good.

This does certainly prove that nothing beats a good A/B listening test. So keep that in mind. Unfortunately, I don't have any easy way to do good A/B tests. I guess those audio reviewers are earning their money after all!
post #49 of 585
I also have a Harmony (One, absolutely love it) remote so that is good news.

Interesting about the sub-woofer. As luck would have it I have a powered Paradigm sub-woofer right next to the TV cabinet. It comes on when it senses a signal from the main stereo amp. Any reason why I couldn't also hook up the sub-woofer to the ZVOX 325 and let it be the sub-woofer for the ZVOX as well? Seems like it would work.
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I also have a Harmony (One, absolutely love it) remote so that is good news.

Interesting about the sub-woofer. As luck would have it I have a powered Paradigm sub-woofer right next to the TV cabinet. It comes on when it senses a signal from the main stereo amp. Any reason why I couldn't also hook up the sub-woofer to the ZVOX 325 and let it be the sub-woofer for the ZVOX as well? Seems like it would work.

I don't see why not. Should work fine. On their web site they recommend starting with a crossover of around 80 Hz and tweaking from there. That's probably close to where you're set anyway. (You might be lower, don't think you would go much higher.)

You are in a lot better shape than I am, having a high quality sub, I just have some small, cheap ones, at the moment, and they don't even have a variable crossover, just a "level" control. Most, I think, have a 150 Hz crossover by default, though I'm not sure about that. So this could produce a 'bump' in the 80-150 Hz range. I'm going to try it anyway. Probably more bumps due to the room that I don't even know about. Long ago I did tone sweeps and used an equalizer to flatten things out for my room and setup, but I just don't fiddle with this stuff that much anymore. C'est la vie!

So, yea, I think you'll be in excellent shape.
post #51 of 585
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One more quick comment. Now I'm trying to decide if the sub-woofer output sounds better, but is actually less acurrate than the 325, that is, it's boosting the bass and to my unprofessional ear that might sound good (especially with the jazz I was listening to), but might not actually be "better" in the sense of accurate audio. Don't think I will be able to tell for sure, but I just wanted to throw that out. Everyone should remember, I'm just an ordinary joe in my family room and not a pro! So a lot of this will necessarily be quite subjective. Please keep that in mind!
post #52 of 585
They are highly informative and really get into 'this is what I did and why I wrote what I did'. Any chance you are an engineer (like me). My wife always says I will use 1,000 words where most would use 10. I tell her that we engineers might not be brief; but we like accuracy and precision.
post #53 of 585
Bron is more of a person I see in the future writing news articles and reviews ! I thought I could write long passages, but he kinda takes the cake by producing this well thought out reviews !
post #54 of 585
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Originally Posted by Nautiduck View Post

I too am looking at a soundbar solution and, like you, want the dialog to be clear to my aging ears! I am interested in the Zvox 325 and would like to hear your experience.

I got a great deal on a used 325 and it works okay but ...
1) There is no surround - faux or otherwise
2) I have to sometimes tweak the soundstage adjustment depending on the source.
3) I patch the sound from the headphone jack on my TV. I couldn't get a high enough volume so i'm using a small headphone amp to boost the volume up a bit more.
3) here is my only real complaint - there is no on / off button. The unit seems to shut itself down after no signal is detected for some amount of time and it does not remember the last volume setting. So - everytime i turn the TV on, i have to adjust the volume.

Overall it's much better than the built-in speakers but not the same as a reciever and a good set of speakers. Good for TV - dialog much clearer and Internet and streaming audio.

I like it but plan to replace it with a Denon 1909 and a good 3.1 setup - most likely Aperion.
post #55 of 585
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I got a great deal on a used 325 and it works okay but ...
1) There is no surround - faux or otherwise
2) I have to sometimes tweak the soundstage adjustment depending on the source.
3) I patch the sound from the headphone jack on my TV. I couldn't get a high enough volume so i'm using a small headphone amp to boost the volume up a bit more.
3) here is my only real complaint - there is no on / off button. The unit seems to shut itself down after no signal is detected for some amount of time and it does not remember the last volume setting. So - everytime i turn the TV on, i have to adjust the volume.

Overall it's much better than the built-in speakers but not the same as a reciever and a good set of speakers. Good for TV - dialog much clearer and Internet and streaming audio.

I like it but plan to replace it with a Denon 1909 and a good 3.1 setup - most likely Aperion.

If you are going with a reciever set up with a soundbar, why not grab a good passive soundbar like Polk Audio:
http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/surroundbar/
or Definitive Technology Mythos SSA-50
http://www.definitivetech.com/Produc...ythos%20SSA-50

Those two are top of the line when it comes to passive soundbars, CNET and Home Theater loved them as well!

@bron: Polk's Website now has it new sub/soundbar setup now up-
http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/s...undbar-sda-iht
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Hey Bron, awesome reviews so far, keep em coming !
Though I'd drop by and say that and also to keep your eyes peeled for this unit:
http://ces.cnet.com/8301-19167_1-101...rColumnArea1.1
It's set up just like the ZVOX but has a separate sub (included receiver), kinda a bit pricey though. I'm going to get it for testing purposes though whenver it comes out.

Great, something else to tempt me....lol. Coming from a previous Polk Surroundbar owner, this new setup interests me. The main issue I have had with all of the surroundbar's is that it isn't a cheap option. By the time you add everything needed even on the cheaper 42" original surroundbar, you are looking at close to a grand. I don't mind the lack of optical/hdmi switching if it sounds good. I am more of a video purist than an audio one. I like my CT100 but if there is one company that could sway me for a reasonable price it would be Polk. This site already has a review and they loved it:

http://www.gamingnexus.com/Article/S.../Item2100.aspx

I like the CT100 but will definitely look hard at this Polk setup. They have it on their site listed at $499 now so maybe it will be in the $400-$450 range at some stores. At that price (even the $499) it's worth a consideration. Remember Polk has been making soundbars for quiet some time so they definitely know what they are doing.
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Thanks guys for all the info. Saw the CT-100 at Best Buy, couldn't really tell anything in the store it was so noisy and set in an aisle. Very nice looking unit physically though. The reports from bron on the Zvox units are really great too, a lot of info. Ijust clicked on one of the links for the Polk Audio unit with the sub wolfer and that looks promising. I have a bit of info overload right now. Keep the reports coming and soon I'll pull the trigger on something.
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Well, I ordered a 325 today. Can't wait to try it out. Noted that the unit ships with a power adapter that puts out 24.5 watts (the units amp is 60 watts) so you don't get "full power." They also sell a 30W and a 60W power adapter. The ZVOX person encouraged me to use the standard one first as the unit will get plenty loud with it. If it turns out that volume is an issue then I'll go with the 60W adapter. Hurry up UPS!!
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@bron: Polk's Website now has it new sub/soundbar setup now up-
http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/s...undbar-sda-iht

Looking at the pictures, it looks like it has only one analog input and that's it! Am I seeing that right?
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Reading Cnet's initial review, it looks like I'm right. This is what they said about it:

"While the addition of the wireless subwoofer is a big plus for the SurroundBar line, we're disappointed that connectivity is limited to a single analog audio input. Even a basic home theater system includes at least a cable/satellite box and a DVD player, so the SDA Instant Home Theater is only a good option for the simplest setups. Sure, you can get around its limitations by using an audio switcher or AV receiver, but that defeats the simplicity that makes sound bars attractive in the first place."

I can't agree more. This is a dealbreaker for me probably many others, as I need to use at least 2 sources to connect to the Speakers.


@bron - ya i did try increasing center level on CT100, but it didn't help that much. Voice was louder but it was not clearer. More muffled sounding. It looks like from your reviews, Zvox is great on dialogue but lacking in sound effects, which is completely opposite of CT100.
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Looking at the pictures, it looks like it has only one analog input and that's it! Am I seeing that right?
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Reading Cnet's initial review, it looks like I'm right. This is what they said about it:

"While the addition of the wireless subwoofer is a big plus for the SurroundBar line, we're disappointed that connectivity is limited to a single analog audio input. Even a basic home theater system includes at least a cable/satellite box and a DVD player, so the SDA Instant Home Theater is only a good option for the simplest setups. Sure, you can get around its limitations by using an audio switcher or AV receiver, but that defeats the simplicity that makes sound bars attractive in the first place."

I can't agree more. This is a dealbreaker for me probably many others, as I need to use at least 2 sources to connect to the Speakers.


@bron - ya i did try increasing center level on CT100, but it didn't help that much. Voice was louder but it was not clearer. More muffled sounding. It looks like from your reviews, Zvox is great on dialogue but lacking in sound effects, which is completely opposite of CT100.


That is the one issue with the unit but I don't see it as a deal breaker. I assume you just plug the speaker into your audio line out on your tv then connect everything else to your tv like you normally do. I am wondering how it handles HDMI as I use that for everything. I guess it just uses the audio line out and overrides the HDMI audio but still gives you the video (like if you use optical out for audio but still use HDMI for video). I am not an audio purist so not having optical/hdmi doesn't bother me as long as it sounds good. Speaking as a previous user of the surroundbar and polk in general, I have faith in the company especially from an audio perspective.
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