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post #1 of 143
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Lots has happened to my basement since this thread has started. Here are the most recent sketches (as of 11/25/2009):

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post17604057





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Original first post and outdated pics & images:


Well -- after nearly a year of thinking about it, the time has come to start work on the basement theater and bar. I will be doing most of the work myself. The left portion of the basement is already finished. The bottom right was finished off as a room, but those walls will need to be torn down.

The screen will be going over an entrance to a crawlspace, so it will either need to be retractable, removable, or hinged. I am leaning toward hinged.

The ceiling is mostly drop ceiling except for the hvac runs (down the middle) which is drywall.

Here is an obligatory sketchup:


With more views here:

http://www.screencast.com/t/fJ0pMNphwh
http://www.screencast.com/t/GqVJ2RKjicr
http://www.screencast.com/t/bLxmAEhS

Components I already have:
  • Pioneer VSX-01TXH Elite Receiver
  • Panasonic Viera 42" 1080p Plasma (will go upstairs once projector & screen is installed)
  • JBL Studio L Series Speakers (L890 Mains, L820 Surrounds, LC2 Center, & L8400P sub)
  • Samsung BDP-1500 BluRay Player
  • Custom Built HTPC running SageTV client w/ HDMI out attached to media server
  • Wii
  • Harmony 890 Universal Remote (w/ RF)
  • 12' Shuffleboard table & arcade games

Components needed going forward:
  • Projector (will be one of Panasonic, Epson, Mitsubishi 1080p)
  • Screen (will likely be 100" & 16x9 format)
  • Remote Lighting control
  • Another set of L820 for rear surrounds
  • Furniture (likely narrow Berklines -- i think its the 086 or 088 series) Will get one row for starters, perhaps add a second row with riser & bar if space (and money) permits
  • Gas fireplace / pellet stove / other heat source
  • ????
Construction photos: http://www.screencast.com/t/oBsiUnpdhxB There are links to RSS and iTunes if you wanna subscribe that way!

Finally, here is a link to my original exploration thread. It's dated, but that it what I started with... http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008869
post #2 of 143
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Most of the demo work has mostly been completed now and the drywall has been taken to the local dump. Next up is frame the naked parts of the foundation and secure the wall that I had moved.

Here is the newly opened area:



Here you can see the crawlspace door that the screen will (mostly) cover. I Need to remove the furring strips and pegboard around it:



Looking back towards the future bar area. Those shelves will be coming out!

post #3 of 143
Nice use of your space.

You already have a shuffleboard table or is that something you are plannning for?

I definetly do not have the room for the shuffle board table I would want.
post #4 of 143
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Originally Posted by Naxos17 View Post

Nice use of your space.

You already have a shuffleboard table or is that something you are plannning for?

I definetly do not have the room for the shuffle board table I would want.

Thanks. We picked up the shuffleboard table off of craigslist about 8 months ago. It is only 12 foot, and is definately not top of the line, but it is still plenty fun to play. I think this model retails for about $1200 and we paid $500 for ours.

post #5 of 143
I would suggest squaring off the tile flooring from the bar. Something about that angle doesn't look right, to me anyway. I think you'd be happier to have the extra space to slide your bar stool in and out.
post #6 of 143
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Originally Posted by redpa18t View Post

I would suggest squaring off the tile flooring from the bar. Something about that angle doesn't look right, to me anyway. I think you'd be happier to have the extra space to slide your bar stool in and out.

Thanks for the input!

That's true about the tile angle. The sketchups are definitely going to change over time. My wife and I have also talked about taking the tile all the way over to the stairs (along the black line you see there). it is also quite likely that we will change colors (of the walls, carpet & tile), as well as flooring going forwards.

Fortunately there is plenty of time to make those decisions!
post #7 of 143
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Originally Posted by Spartan94 View Post

Thanks for the input!

That's true about the tile angle. The sketchups are definitely going to change over time. My wife and I have also talked about taking the tile all the way over to the stairs (along the black line you see there). it is also quite likely that we will change colors (of the walls, carpet & tile), as well as flooring going forwards.

Fortunately there is plenty of time to make those decisions!

Yeah, that seems like a good idea to me. That would make the pub table alot more stable too...
post #8 of 143
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Did some framing tonight of the wall that will be behind the screen. I am attempting to reuse as much of the old studs that I can, but still have to pick up a 9' treated 2x4 for the base plate.

In the meantime, here is a pic with tile (now parquet floor) extending to the stairs, and the room and carpet a different color:



http://www.screencast.com/users/Matt...5-50d7c6d8bf9a

Higher res: http://screencast.com/t/i3KT2bKFBY6
post #9 of 143
I like it! Now people can sit at the table and not spill drinks in your theater! You also have a poker table with a view of the big game too. Looks great I can't wait to watch this come to life.
post #10 of 143
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The sheet only adds to the excitement! Lots of ooo's and ah's from the kids when they saw that! I'm looking forward to finishing the framing this weekend.

post #11 of 143
Are you closing off that window, or what's the plan with that?
post #12 of 143
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Originally Posted by redpa18t View Post

Are you closing off that window, or what's the plan with that?

That's the entrance to a crawlspace. I had already put down plastic and cardboard over the gravel to make it a really nice storage space, so we can't close it up all the way.

In this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1107548 he shows how he hinged his screen. I was thinking of doing something similar. A guy a work recommended rollers, so the screen could roll left and right. But I worry about ball bearings rattling...



Of course, I could also do a retractable screen
post #13 of 143
man. thats cool with the screen. i may do that for my living room Ht ver 2.0 so i can get a bigger screen, yet still access my coat closet....
post #14 of 143
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Finished most of the framing over the weekend. The reason that there is drywall on the wall to the right, is that I moved that wall as one big chunk. I had to adjust it slightly to account for the increased width in the ductwork above it, which is why the drywall does not go to the end of the wall...

Next up is to run speaker wire & electric...



post #15 of 143
Looks good! Did you find a fireplace yet?
post #16 of 143
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Originally Posted by Krisen Type-S View Post

Looks good! Did you find a fireplace yet?

haha -- no, that will come much, much later in the process...
post #17 of 143
Looks great!

Kind of a newbie here we bought a house with a finished basement (well somewhat finished) anyhow my question revolves around the noise of the furnace, did you do anything other than insulate the walls between your multi room and service room for the furnace/water tank to make it more quite?
post #18 of 143
Currently Home Depot in my area (Traverse City) has their electric fireplaces 50% off. I'm thinking about picking up one for my basement. Spec wise they heat approx 400sq feet. One model retails orig for $999 and it is clearance at $399. Here is a link. I know the price doesn't match, but that is what they have it marked in my store.

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/...egoryID=530882

PS. Go Spartans Fellow michigander.

Also, if you have a few gas appliances in that utility room...make sure that you have enough fresh air intake for combustion.
post #19 of 143
I see the biggest issue with your design is that you have a god awful,ugly distracting "S" on the middle of that pub table........correct that and things will look ALOT better
post #20 of 143
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Originally Posted by Iusteve View Post

I see the biggest issue with your design is that you have a god awful,ugly distracting "S" on the middle of that pub table........correct that and things will look ALOT better


Yeah, it should be a huge red "W"!

ON WISCONSIN!
post #21 of 143
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Originally Posted by MBrzezinski View Post

Looks great!

Kind of a newbie here we bought a house with a finished basement (well somewhat finished) anyhow my question revolves around the noise of the furnace, did you do anything other than insulate the walls between your multi room and service room for the furnace/water tank to make it more quite?

Well, I have a plasma screen downstairs now and when the furnace room door is closed, you really can't hear i -- except for the water rushing to the humidifier. I may have to do something about that. I couple of things that should help are insulating the walls (furnace room was bare studs in the inside, previously), and a solid core door. The previous owner of my house was an FBI agent and he had a "secret" room in the basement. This room featured a solid core door w/ security on it. We all wonder what went on in there...

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Originally Posted by Rogaine View Post

Currently Home Depot in my area (Traverse City) has their electric fireplaces 50% off. I'm thinking about picking up one for my basement. Spec wise they heat approx 400sq feet. One model retails orig for $999 and it is clearance at $399. Here is a link. I know the price doesn't match, but that is what they have it marked in my store.

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/...egoryID=530882

PS. Go Spartans Fellow michigander.

Also, if you have a few gas appliances in that utility room...make sure that you have enough fresh air intake for combustion.

You know, an electric fireplace is really tempting b/c they are some damn easy to deal with, but I think I am going to hold out for a gas or pellet stove. I figure to have about 800 finished sqft in the basement and when we run the little space heater down there now, you can barely feel it. (I don't know the BTU on a space heater, but I think it's something like 1200 watts)

Regarding combustion air, thanks for pointing that out, but I already have a pipe bringing in *very* cold air in from the outside.

And yes -- go green! (They looked good last night in Iowa City!)

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Originally Posted by Iusteve View Post

I see the biggest issue with your design is that you have a god awful,ugly distracting "S" on the middle of that pub table........correct that and things will look ALOT better

Ah, well, the 'S' isn't on the pub table yet -- just in the mockup. Anyhow, you'd probably like my shuffleboard table better seeing how it has crimson felt on it! (At least my Dad (OSU alum) does)...
post #22 of 143
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Just a quick update (no pictures on this one).

I went out to Menards last night and bought a 250' spool of 14 gauge speaker wire. I ran it to all seven channels and now have a pile of wire hanging down where the a/v cabinet will go. I still need to run the wire for the sub (coax) as well as put in the boxes and pick up some wall plates (probably from monoprice.com). I'm thinking about this one:



I also picked up 3 packs of R15. All of it was on sale (so I guess I saved big money!)
post #23 of 143
For the record and my honest opinion refer to thread sponsors Monoprice and Bluejeanscable for all your wiring and cable needs as the quality is FAR superior to that of Menards/Lowes,HD etc. and the price is FAR cheaper....just mine and others $.02 to help you out.
post #24 of 143
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Originally Posted by Iusteve View Post

For the record and my honest opinion refer to thread sponsors Monoprice and Bluejeanscable for all your wiring and cable needs as the quality is FAR superior to that of Menards/Lowes,HD etc. and the price is FAR cheaper....just mine and others $.02 to help you out.

I totally agree and am a frequent monoprice shopper, but I really wanted to run speaker wire last night b/c my goal is to be able to do some drywalling this weekend. We'll see if I can pull that off or not...

(as an aside, all of menards a/v section is 20% off this week, so that helps...)
post #25 of 143
I got ya and dont blame you there as 20% is nice. I may have to take a look at what they have. If your in a hurry I cant blame you as I often get that way and just want it done....lol. For curiosity what size gauge did you sue and I apologize if I missed it? I used 16 and I know people may shreek at that but it is what it is.
post #26 of 143
Looks like a great space and I love the layout!!! I'm looking forward to watching your progress. I definately like that you changed the plan with taking the tile out further. You may want to consider taking it just a little further to the landing at the bottom of your steps. That area sees a lot of traffic and carpet gets worn there very fast. I was going to do it with mine and finally decided against it because of the wife.....now, I'm wishing I wouldn't have listened to her. The carpet mats down much more there!

Also, play with screen sized before you settle on 100" I'm at 110" and thinking about making it bigger....
post #27 of 143
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Originally Posted by Iusteve View Post

For curiosity what size gauge did you sue and I apologize if I missed it? I used 16 and I know people may shreek at that but it is what it is.

I went with 14 gauge b/c it was 1/2 of the price of 12 gauge (14 gauge was about $50 for a 250 ft spool). If I had bought from monoprice, I would have went with 12 gauge.

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Originally Posted by johnny15 View Post

You may want to consider taking it just a little further to the landing at the bottom of your steps. That area sees a lot of traffic and carpet gets worn there very fast. I was going to do it with mine and finally decided against it because of the wife.....now, I'm wishing I wouldn't have listened to her. The carpet mats down much more there!

Also, play with screen sized before you settle on 100" I'm at 110" and thinking about making it bigger....

Well actually, my wife talked me into *less* carpet than what is shown in the picture. You see, the area to the immediate right of the stairs is already carpeted -- about a 5' width. We were thinking of leaving that there, then we can take the other existing carpet from the bar area and move it to the theater area. If it works out, it could save us a bunch of money. She is also concerned that our crazy kids (we have twin 6 year olds) will come flying down the stairs, make the turn and wipe out on the tile.

As for screen size, I think 100" is the max based on available space and seating distance. We'll see when I actually get a projector though!
post #28 of 143
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Originally Posted by Spartan94 View Post

I went with 14 gauge b/c it was 1/2 of the price of 12 gauge (14 gauge was about $50 for a 250 ft spool). If I had bought from monoprice, I would have went with 12 gauge.



Well actually, my wife talked me into *less* carpet than what is shown in the picture. You see, the area to the immediate right of the stairs is already carpeted -- about a 5' width. We were thinking of leaving that there, then we can take the other existing carpet from the bar area and move it to the theater area. If it works out, it could save us a bunch of money. She is also concerned that our crazy kids (we have twin 6 year olds) will come flying down the stairs, make the turn and wipe out on the tile.

As for screen size, I think 100" is the max based on available space and seating distance. We'll see when I actually get a projector though!


Not to worry I have a 12 year old and hes wiped out plenty. In fact he still wipes out...seems they NEVER grow out of that stage. As for screen size GO BIG BABY!! Well atleast consider it. I am thinking 120" initially but wont be sure until I get to that point in the build but I have read ALOT on here and often seen people say they wish they had gone a little bigger but NEVER heard anyone say they wish they had gone a little smaller.......(insert joke here ) So just food for thought.
post #29 of 143
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I ran the subwoofer cable (coax), reinforced the wall where the center channel will be mounted, put a header over the crawlspace, added an outlet for the subwoofer, and put up some insulation. I think I have decided to make the crawlspace door out of MDF and utilize those "euro" hinges which stay hidden. It should take the paint well and since it will be the same thickness as the drywall, it should look nice and flush.

Exciting times!



Also, my wife and I figured out where we are going to add recessed lighting. Currently the basement has a few cans and 24x48 florescents. We think we are going to keep all of those and add some additional cans to round out the basement. Furthermore, we want to put the game room cans on one switch (dimmer), and the bar/theater side on another. An additional switch will light 3 smaller cans down on the screen (we've all seen that before).

I intend on making the cans all remote controllable via my Harmony 890. Once I get the idea modeled in Sketchup, I'll post it. As for now, it's time to get ready for a RockBand party at the neighbors house!
post #30 of 143
Of coarse a Spartan would have a bar! I haven't finished mine yet...
I'm an '84 grad! I too have a lot of green 'S' everywhere.
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