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post #331 of 414
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Ahhh..... yes, forgot to defeat that ARO.... Duh...
post #332 of 414
Too bad it's so cold out, would have been nice to see some outside 1m GP traces. That and there is only so much time at some available in a day.
post #333 of 414
For anyone interested I'd be glad to host something here this summer. It would be nice to plan it for a weekend when Elite Audio is doing sound for a larger national act as well. I know a few people were interested to hear that system too.

John
post #334 of 414
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I'm down with that John....

BTW, I sold your sub to Nuance....
post #335 of 414
Hmm...must be a different Nuance.

You still have that thing there? Wow.
post #336 of 414
yeah it has been crazy here so i haven't been able to make the trip to get it back. I have a pallet of steel going to ABQC downtown Milwaukee for plating that I've been planning to bring down. Every time I plan to go down some more orders come in and more steel needs to be machined to bring there. I'm finally going to make the trip tuesday or Wed this week though.

If anyone wants to make a trip up to Neenah tomorrow evening, Elite Audio is doing sound for Days of The New at Revolutions. Should be a good show. We just finally swapped out the other 10 B&C 18TBX100s for our new TD18H+'s yesterday just hours before they did sound for Skid Row. John Hanitz tells me they had to bring the level of the 18's down significantly now that they upgraded.

http://www.myspace.com/daysofthenew

John
post #337 of 414
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Originally Posted by John_E_Janowitz View Post

John Hanitz tells me they had to bring the level of the 18's down significantly now that they upgraded.

A combo of an increased sensitivity and reduced power compression? Or are they of a lower RE, which draws more power?
post #338 of 414
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Originally Posted by Looneybomber View Post

A combo of an increased sensitivity and reduced power compression? Or are they of a lower RE, which draws more power?

Sensitivity is approximately the same between both. On a small signal level they are roughly the same, but as things are cranked up the difference becomes more apparent. We have 14mm Xmax vs about 10-11 and more BL linearity which gives an edge at higher excursions. The lower inductance and reduced flux field modulation gives a big edge in the upper bass region. The lower power compression gives an edge at all frequencies. In terms of the sound between the two he's had a couple comment to him that the bass is "too clean for live sound" now.

John
post #339 of 414
Days of the New huh? Hopefully Travis has gotten his "issues" under control now.
post #340 of 414
I think I might have to check that out tomorrow night. I was just hanging out in a few Neenah establishments last night. I live about 30 minutes away.
post #341 of 414
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Originally Posted by John_E_Janowitz View Post

Sensitivity is approximately the same between both. On a small signal level they are roughly the same, but as things are cranked up the difference becomes more apparent. We have 14mm Xmax vs about 10-11 and more BL linearity which gives an edge at higher excursions. The lower inductance and reduced flux field modulation gives a big edge in the upper bass region. The lower power compression gives an edge at all frequencies. In terms of the sound between the two he's had a couple comment to him that the bass is "too clean for live sound" now.

John

Too clean for live sound? Sweet!
post #342 of 414
Warp,

Are you still happy with the Mal-Xs after listening to so many other subs?
post #343 of 414
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Hey Swampfox.... I am Very Very happy with the Mal-X's.... aside from the 1 that is giving me some high spl slapping noise.... so for right now at medium to loud volume they are extremely tight and clean.

They seem to be breaking in quite nicely and just get better with time... I'm just frustrated with being extremely unlucky, where no- else seems to have had any issues with the drivers at all. Just wish I could get past this hurdle of having issues. At least they are only prevalent under extreme SPL. Anyways, for output, musicality - absolutely smooth and even SPL across the entire range of its capabilities - the Mal-X's have really proven themselves to me. I could easily live with these drivers in my HT for a long time to come.

I have been poising myself to upgrade to TC LMS's but I'll really have to weigh that option with the price tag that comes with it, for the drivers as well as the amps that it takes to play along... So for now, I'm going to start concentrating on other area's.

Ultimately, I have a new dedicated Pre-Amp on the way to finally replace my Pioneer receivers to further upgrade my HT system. So I finally took a leap after 2 years of waiting for HDMI to settle down, processing power to get up to par with codecs and scaling, and I also have other issues to deal with in that room like treatments, carpet... So at some point I have to move along....
post #344 of 414
Warp,

What pre do have on the way (if I may ask)? Thanks.

James
post #345 of 414
He has the mother of all preamps on the way. Trust me, it's a doozy!

Also, I can vouch for the Mal's sounding awesome in warp's room. I hope to achieve something like that one day. The upper bass of the Mal's is far better than my TC driver.

warp,

Will you be contacting the guys about the Mal for a replacement? I say you get your request in now before they run out of drivers again. You deserve a flawlessly working system!
post #346 of 414
Yes what is the pre-amp? I too am getting ready to look into a new pre-amp and I'm undecided as of yet.
post #347 of 414
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I have been in discussion with Kevin about this slapping issue with one of my Mal-X's... He stands behind his products, and I am not concerned.

As for the Pre-Amp.... I ordered an Anthem D2v for a pretty sweet price....... Should be a nice step up from the Pioneer Elite 81 I am running now... Also need to find a good deal on a 1080p plasma upgrade... I'm pretty partial to Panasonic Pro panels... I have a 50" panel now, and will be looking at either a 58" or a 65" if I can get a good deal on one... PM me if anyone has some good contacts....

I can get wholesale on Pioneers from my buddy in town, but 65" panny's come at a seemingly better price...
post #348 of 414
65" inches is 5 more inches, but nothing beats the Pioneer's bro. They are simply the best right now, hands down, especially if you go with an Elite. Seriously, I dunno if I can hang out with someone that picks a Panasonic over a Pioneer. LOL!
post #349 of 414
I have never looked at a Anthem. I have looked at the Onkyo’s since they have balanced out which I would like. Right now I am a little nervous about spending some cash since I have no idea if the job is safe.

Never been much of a plasma guy, I always like CRT’s. I have a wonderful Mits 65” CRT that had an ISF cal done on it.
post #350 of 414
A 65" CRT? You mean rear projection or DLP?
post #351 of 414
rear projection
post #352 of 414
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

65" inches is 5 more inches, but nothing beats the Pioneer's bro. They are simply the best right now, hands down, especially if you go with an Elite. Seriously, I dunno if I can hang out with someone that picks a Panasonic over a Pioneer. LOL!

Hahahah Def.... a hard choice - 60" of Pioneer or 65" of Panasonic
I can get a nice break on both, honestly the 1080p 65" plasma's are nothing to sneeze at... crystal clear... I have a pretty good viewing distance, so that extra 5" is worth something to me...

Anyone got a good link to floor stand, I doubt my center channel will support the weight of a 60 or 65" plasma...


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Originally Posted by exojam View Post

I have never looked at a Anthem. I have looked at the Onkyo's since they have balanced out which I would like. Right now I am a little nervous about spending some cash since I have no idea if the job is safe.

Never been much of a plasma guy, I always like CRT's. I have a wonderFUL Mits 65 CRT that had an ISF cal done on it.


Yeah, Mits makes some great stuff, but I need as much brilliance in that room with all the windows as I can get. I love Plasma... they are just the best - great off angle and brightness... Rear proj just wont work for me..

Wish I could afford a 103" plasma.. That would be the Shiznit...
post #353 of 414
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

Anyone got a good link to floor stand, I doubt my center channel will support the weight of a 60 or 65" plasma...

I think you need a set of Catalysts from Mark. You could easily support the weight then.

John
post #354 of 414
The plasma are good for that environment. I will one day have to replace my CRT but hopefully no time soon since I have no idea what will be on the market then. I thought I had read either Panasonic or Pioneer is getting out of the plasma business?

103"??? What heck size room you have there?
post #355 of 414
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

Hey Swampfox.... I am Very Very happy with the Mal-X's.... aside from the 1 that is giving me some high spl slapping noise....


Regarding your slapping noise with the Maelstom-x. Does it always occur when there is alot of travel with the subwoofer?

I suspect it may be attributed to tinsel lead slap.

A very easy fix. Just bend and reposition the speaker leads away from the driver but still allowing the tinsel to travel with the high xmax of the Malestrom-x.

I've had this prob with my IXL18. Super simple fix.
post #356 of 414
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I suspect it may be attributed to tinsel lead slap.


The leads are sewn in.... no tinsel lead slap with this Gen of Mal-X's....

post #357 of 414
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Originally Posted by exojam View Post

The plasma are good for that environment. I will one day have to replace my CRT but hopefully no time soon since I have no idea what will be on the market then. I thought I had read either Panasonic or Pioneer is getting out of the plasma business?

103"??? What heck size room you have there?

After this gen Pioneer is no longer making their own glass, so they'll outsource it to Panasonic. Unfortunately the only big dog plasma manufacturer will then be Panasonic.

Patrick, the Panasonics are nice for sure, but nothing beats the contrast ratio/black levels of the Pioneer's. Contrast ratio is the most important aspect of picture quality.

I wish Pioneer made a 65 or 70". You do sit pretty far away, so that extra 5" would sure come in handy.

Anyway, to each their own.
post #358 of 414
Not saying his choice is bad at all.
post #359 of 414
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

After this gen Pioneer is no longer making their own glass, so they'll outsource it to Panasonic.

I thought the "outsourcing panels from Panasonic" was last year's announcement, and this year they are getting out of the market completely.
post #360 of 414
That is correct Darin. Panasonic has made the panels for the Pioneer plasmas for the past year and Pioneer announced a few weeks ago that they were ceasing production on all plasmas.
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