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post #781 of 827
2/22/13 at 11:42pm
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Originally Posted by Management View Post

I called a dealer and they mentioned that the Sub 15 is $3500. Is this true? Did it really go up $1000 since it was introduced?

That's crazy... Sub-1 used to go for that much street, before the price increase, but can't say I'm surprised. Canadian companies are constantly raising their prices, despite parts made in China, as cost of operating a productive business rises due to expensive government programs.
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post #782 of 827
2/23/13 at 5:29am
So I am in a 14' x 15.4' room that is open to the kitchen. Breakfast bar is between the two rooms.

Should I go with a Sub 12 or Sub 15?
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post #783 of 827
2/23/13 at 5:41am
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That's crazy... Sub-1 used to go for that much street, before the price increase, but can't say I'm surprised. Canadian companies are constantly raising their prices, despite parts made in China, as cost of operating a productive business rises due to expensive government programs.

Really? Damn ... that sucks. frown.gif
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post #784 of 827
2/23/13 at 8:16am
Same here, I was just comparing their price of the Sub15 to what your dealer stated, I'm seeing it priced over 3,000 in most places.
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post #785 of 827
2/25/13 at 4:10pm
Hello...What do you want for the Sub 12?
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post #786 of 827
3/4/13 at 8:02pm
Just bought a Sub 15 In Edmonton - $3333.00
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post #787 of 827
3/5/13 at 11:16am
Just ordered a sub 12 in piano black. Nuts how much they charge extra for that finish...
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post #788 of 827
3/5/13 at 11:46am
OT: Just throwing this out there...is everyone here set on getting Paradigm subs to complete their Paradigm systems? For over $3k you can purchase a sub that would destroy the sub15 for about the same price from FunkyWaves in Canada. If you can make the bigger size work it's a no brainer, in my opinion...*SHRUG*

http://www.funkywaves.net/catalog.cfm?item=fw_18_0

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post #789 of 827
3/5/13 at 11:28pm
I really wanted them to match. One of the biggest reasons I'm paying for the Sub 12. I've heard a lot of people mention "for that price, this _____ sub is better.." Do the Sub 12 and 15 not hold it's own by that much?
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post #790 of 827
3/6/13 at 1:17am
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Originally Posted by coresare View Post

I really wanted them to match. One of the biggest reasons I'm paying for the Sub 12. I've heard a lot of people mention "for that price, this _____ sub is better.." Do the Sub 12 and 15 not hold it's own by that much?

They look great and sound great. That's all that matters. I wouldn't want those bang-for-the-buck ugly boxes sitting in my living room. Plus PBK is great.
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post #791 of 827
3/6/13 at 9:16am
Resale value and supporting a local business is also important (to me).
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post #792 of 827
3/6/13 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Resale value and supporting a local business is also important (to me).

+1
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post #793 of 827
3/12/13 at 5:14am
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Originally Posted by lewdogg View Post

OT: Just throwing this out there...is everyone here set on getting Paradigm subs to complete their Paradigm systems? For over $3k you can purchase a sub that would destroy the sub15 for about the same price from FunkyWaves in Canada. If you can make the bigger size work it's a no brainer, in my opinion...*SHRUG*

http://www.funkywaves.net/catalog.cfm?item=fw_18_0


Hmmm... their specs don't list frequency response or output? While Ann 18" driver would be fine for movies, I'm certain the Sub12 and even the Sub15 would have better pitch definition and speed for music.
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post #794 of 827
3/12/13 at 5:24am
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Originally Posted by boyce89976 View Post



Hmmm... their specs don't list frequency response or output? While Ann 18" driver would be fine for movies, I'm certain the Sub12 and even the Sub15 would have better pitch definition and speed for music.
Pitch definition and 'speed' are not related to driver size. And neither of those aspects are of any consideration with a subwoofer, both being sourced in the midbass and midrange.
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post #795 of 827
3/12/13 at 5:27am
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Originally Posted by boyce89976 View Post



Hmmm... their specs don't list frequency response or output? While Ann 18" driver would be fine for movies, I'm certain the Sub12 and even the Sub15 would have better pitch definition and speed for music.

As somebody who owned the Sub 15 and before that the Servo sub 15 from Paradigm, I can say my JTR S2 sealed sub with twin 18 drivers is more accurate and certainly plays louder (SPL) then the sub 15. When I built my HT room recently I contemplated keeping the Sub 15 and adding a second one but decided to go the JTR route. Paradigm make a great product and I have owned many speakers from them over the years. However, in my opinion, their "value" equation has gone out the door the last five years. To me, they are no longer a good value after their constant price hikes. I will say they are built very well and last a long time. I had my Servo 15 for over 10 years and it was used every day.
Edited by Frohlich - 3/12/13 at 11:29am
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post #796 of 827
3/12/13 at 7:03am
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

Pitch definition and 'speed' are not related to driver size. And neither of those aspects are of any consideration with a subwoofer, both being sourced in the midbass and midrange.

Pitch definition and speed are related and are most definitely impacted by driver size. This is an extreme example, but which do you think would be more accurate (defined as the combination of pitch definition and speed) a 30" driver or s 10" driver? Of course the 10" would win every time, and those are the qualities that make a Sub musical. Cone materials and amplification play an important part also, but size definitely matters. ;-)
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post #797 of 827
3/12/13 at 8:15am
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Originally Posted by boyce89976 View Post

Pitch definition and speed are related and are most definitely impacted by driver size. This is an extreme example, but which do you think would be more accurate (defined as the combination of pitch definition and speed) a 30" driver or s 10" driver? Of course the 10" would win every time, and those are the qualities that make a Sub musical. Cone materials and amplification play an important part also, but size definitely matters. ;-)
Telling a loudspeaker designer how drivers function is as logical as telling a bird how to fly. rolleyes.gif

Loudspeaker designers never consider 'speed', as all drivers react at the same speed. They also do not consider pitch definition. Those are words that laymen sometimes incorrectly apply to some of the concerns that loudspeaker designers do consider but the layman does not know how to describe in engineering terms.
Cone size in and of itself only affects one result, the angle of dispersion. Every other result is determined by the two dozen odd T/S specs and other driver details.
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post #798 of 827
3/12/13 at 9:11am
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Originally Posted by boyce89976 View Post



Hmmm... their specs don't list frequency response or output? While Ann 18" driver would be fine for movies, I'm certain the Sub12 and even the Sub15 would have better pitch definition and speed for music.

http://www.data-bass.com/myths
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post #799 of 827
3/13/13 at 12:04pm
I pick up my gloss black sub 12 tomorrow! For initial ARC setup do I leave sub level at 25% and phase at 0?
Edited by coresare - 3/13/13 at 12:25pm
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post #800 of 827
3/13/13 at 7:20pm
You'll really like that Sub 12. I've had mine for 2.5 years and it is an awesome sub. Post some pictures once you have it setup.
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post #801 of 827
3/13/13 at 7:21pm
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Originally Posted by 519audiofan View Post

You'll really like that Sub 12. I've had mine for 2.5 years and it is an awesome sub. Post some pictures once you have it setup.
Will do!
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post #802 of 827
3/13/13 at 7:34pm
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Originally Posted by coresare View Post

I pick up my gloss black sub 12 tomorrow! For initial ARC setup do I leave sub level at 25% and phase at 0?
I thought it was 50% but I could be wrong.
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post #803 of 827
3/13/13 at 7:52pm
Dumb question..phase is the direction the cone travels when given an input right? 0 degrees would be one way and 180 would be the opposite? Would 90 mean it doesn't move at all? Lol
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post #804 of 827
3/14/13 at 3:23am
Hi,
I'm just in the process of upgrading my A/V system (old one Sony STR-DA333ES is now the second zone in bed room)...
My main setup is:
Sony STR-DA5800ES 9.2 A/V Amp
Paradigm Studio 100 v5 - Front left and right
Paradigm CC-690 v5 - Centre
Paradigm Studio 20 v5 - Front left and right high
Paradigm Monitor 7 v1 - Side left and right (In next few months to be changed to Studio 60s)
Paradigm Monitor 9 v1 - Rear left and right (In next few months to be changed to Studio 60s)

The question that I have is...

If I use dual amps comprising a Studio Sub 12 set to kick in below 100Hz and a second being a Studio Sub 15 set to kick in below 50Hz...
Will I get increased musical and HT benefit as low deep bass is produced from the potentially slower larger Sub 15 while leaving the potentially faster more responsive Sub 12 to do the higher end bass? Shouldn't the response of the Sub 15 be improved as well as the range of sounds that is it trying to reproduce is limited?

Does anyone have thoughts on this? Thanks
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post #805 of 827
3/14/13 at 8:20am
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Originally Posted by GT monster View Post

Hi,
I'm just in the process of upgrading my A/V system (old one Sony STR-DA333ES is now the second zone in bed room)...
My main setup is:
Sony STR-DA5800ES 9.2 A/V Amp
Paradigm Studio 100 v5 - Front left and right
Paradigm CC-690 v5 - Centre
Paradigm Studio 20 v5 - Front left and right high
Paradigm Monitor 7 v1 - Side left and right (In next few months to be changed to Studio 60s)
Paradigm Monitor 9 v1 - Rear left and right (In next few months to be changed to Studio 60s)

The question that I have is...

If I use dual amps comprising a Studio Sub 12 set to kick in below 100Hz and a second being a Studio Sub 15 set to kick in below 50Hz...
Will I get increased musical and HT benefit as low deep bass is produced from the potentially slower larger Sub 15 while leaving the potentially faster more responsive Sub 12 to do the higher end bass? Shouldn't the response of the Sub 15 be improved as well as the range of sounds that is it trying to reproduce is limited?

Does anyone have thoughts on this? Thanks

I'm no expert but how would you keep the low freqs from going to the sub 12? Maybe you can do that in PBK? Not sure...
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post #806 of 827
3/14/13 at 10:05am
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Originally Posted by GT monster View Post

Will I get increased musical and HT benefit as low deep bass is produced from the potentially slower larger Sub 15 while leaving the potentially faster more responsive Sub 12 to do the higher end bass?
No, because fifteens aren't 'slower' than twelves, and twelves aren't more 'responsive' than fifteens.
The entire point of using dual subs is to smooth room modes. You can't do that if they aren't both operating throughout the same bandwidth. You may have to run the twelve at a lower level so that it's not running out of steam before the fifteen does.
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post #807 of 827
3/14/13 at 10:58am
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post


No, because fifteens aren't 'slower' than twelves, and twelves aren't more 'responsive' than fifteens.
The entire point of using dual subs is to smooth room modes. You can't do that if they aren't both operating throughout the same bandwidth. You may have to run the twelve at a lower level so that it's not running out of steam before the fifteen does.

Agreed.  I am using a Sub15 and a Servo15 but with them operating through the Sub1/Sub2 outputs of the Marantz 8801, so they cover the same frequency range but one is near the centerfront speaker and the other is near the leftsurround speaker.  The result is the smoothest bass yet in that room.

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post #808 of 827
3/14/13 at 6:30pm
Here's a closeup of the Sub 12 and Studio 100's






Edited by coresare - 3/14/13 at 6:57pm
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post #809 of 827
3/14/13 at 8:07pm
Your piano black sub-12 look beautiful, is it easy to keep clean (finger print and dust), I'm decide between black ash or piano black on my new sub-12.
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post #810 of 827
3/15/13 at 12:39am
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Originally Posted by pwong888 View Post

Your piano black sub-12 look beautiful, is it easy to keep clean (finger print and dust), I'm decide between black ash or piano black on my new sub-12.

Thank you =)

Edit: oh I misread your post. I've only had it for a day, but yeah it's easy to clean. Just wipe it with a barely damp cloth.. I'm not very anal about dust so I wont be cleaning it very often lol.
Edited by coresare - 3/15/13 at 9:32am
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