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post #61 of 791
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Originally Posted by lks125 View Post

http://www.vimeo.com/3787216

Check this out if you are interested in the sanyo real life sample.

Yes, it is helpful to see this sample - thanks for posting it. It looks pretty good, though it would really help if you had an HG20 there to shoot the same thing for comparison (joking!). I'd really love to see some samples of the new FH1 as well.
post #62 of 791
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Originally Posted by xfws View Post

yeh, it is a bad time to buy. You could always just return the HG20/cancel order and wait and see.
You could always end up getting the HG20 anyway if you wanted.

Yeah, that is what I am going to do. I already have the HG20 on its way from Amazon, but after it arrives I'll have 30 days to return if I choose. Hopefully there will be some consensus on some of these new cameras by then.
post #63 of 791
Having played with the HD2000, I would suggest waiting for a 1920x1080/60p 45mbps model.
post #64 of 791
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Originally Posted by mariner888 View Post

Having played with the HD2000, I would suggest waiting for a 1920x1080/60p 45mbps model.

How many mbps does the HD2000 handle? Do you mean to say that the HD2000 doesn't look good to you using less than 45mbps? Thanks in advance for the clarification!
post #65 of 791
The 22mbps bit rate for 60p seems a little low. Not easy to compression artifacts free results.
post #66 of 791
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Originally Posted by mariner888 View Post

Having played with the HD2000, I would suggest waiting for a 1920x1080/60p 45mbps model.

care to elaborate? I could say the same thing about canon or sony, for a consumer product
post #67 of 791
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Originally Posted by mariner888 View Post

The 22mbps bit rate for 60p seems a little low. Not easy to compression artifacts free results.

it's not 22Mbps, it's vbr that peaks at 26Mbps... look at the original vids.

i agree that taking full advantage of the 60p could be an issue.
post #68 of 791
Thread Starter 
Mariner888,

Where did you try it?
Can you post samples that shows a bit rate of 22MBPS? Every sample I saw had a bit rate higher than that.
post #69 of 791
The 22mbps figure was taken from Xacti website, but I see they have now changed it to 24mbps.

Will play with it a little more and see how high the bit rate will go.

This is my first camcorder, so I have no idea what to expect. The clips posted on the Japanese sites looked great, but mine is nothing close to it. The HD2000 does not offer 1920x1080/60i at 24mbps (only 16mbps), which may look more HD like if deinterlaced properly, but I would prefer not to deal with interlaced contents if possible.
post #70 of 791
Here is bitrate info and screen capture. As you can see, not quite HD quality.
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Xacti_bitrate.txt 0.498046875k . file
post #71 of 791
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Originally Posted by osv View Post

it's not 22Mbps, it's vbr that peaks at 26Mbps... look at the original vids.

i agree that taking full advantage of the 60p could be an issue.

this is true. i saw some samples from my friend.
also playback of 60p 1080 content need soem more cpu power :/

generally i was not impressed with xacti samples.
post #72 of 791
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Originally Posted by mariner888 View Post

The 22mbps figure was taken from Xacti website, but I see they have now changed it to 24mbps.

Will play with it a little more and see how high the bit rate will go.

This is my first camcorder, so I have no idea what to expect. The clips posted on the Japanese sites looked great, but mine is nothing close to it. The HD2000 does not offer 1920x1080/60i at 24mbps (only 16mbps), which may look more HD like if deinterlaced properly, but I would prefer not to deal with interlaced contents if possible.


the nero showtime player displays bitrate as the file is playing, not an average, and it is showing full 1920x1080 60p at very brief peaks of 26Mbps... i don't know where you saw the 16Mbps number?
post #73 of 791
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Originally Posted by mariner888 View Post

Here is bitrate info and screen capture. As you can see, not quite HD quality.

the pic you posted there is only 1024x580, so it's not a full-frame capture from a 1920x1080 video clip... and it looks like you grabbed it from the middle of a fast pan, or it hasn't been deinterlaced.

it's not representative of what this camcorder can do, based on the original footage that people have posted here within the last few days.
post #74 of 791
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Originally Posted by mariner888 View Post

Here is bitrate info and screen capture. As you can see, not quite HD quality.

I see much detail, color, and no rolling shutter. So what if it is not razor sharp lettering, I can still read a few of the titles. no jaggies, no leaning, thanks you for another confirmation of a great camcorder for the price
post #75 of 791
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Originally Posted by elifino View Post

I see much detail, color, and no rolling shutter. So what if it is not razor sharp lettering, I can still read a few of the titles. no jaggies, no leaning, thanks you for another confirmation of a great camcorder for the price

The screen cap is taken from side to side panning shot. The so called "strobe effect" so often seen in 24p film is still there, despite the 60p frame rate. Is this what you mean by rolling shutter?
post #76 of 791
no, they are not the same
post #77 of 791
it looks interesting
post #78 of 791
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Originally Posted by elifino View Post

no, they are not the same

Thanks.

Does it mean one would have to do fast pan in order to see this artifact, if present?
post #79 of 791
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Originally Posted by osv View Post

the nero showtime player displays bitrate as the file is playing, not an average, and it is showing full 1920x1080 60p at very brief peaks of 26Mbps... i don't know where you saw the 16Mbps number?

26mbps in peak? hmm i also read about 16mbps. dont know where exactly.
some camcorders related website or marketing materials :/
post #80 of 791
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Originally Posted by mariner888 View Post

Thanks.

Does it mean one would have to do fast pan in order to see this artifact, if present?

there is a couple of threads here regarding that issue, as well as a lot of good google hits
post #81 of 791
Thread Starter 
Sanyo claims around 16MBPS for 60i and 24MBPS for 60p. I hope that will clear things up.
post #82 of 791
do telephoto and wide angle lens for HD1000 work on HD2000 as well?
post #83 of 791
I'm between the VPC-HD2000 and the Canon HF100. I've read the review that the Sanyo is the better low light performer but can someone comment/speculate on relative performance/video quality/resolution between these two? Thanks!
post #84 of 791
I have the FH1 on the way at MSRP ($499) from a NY seller on ebay. The review of the HD2000 at camcorderinfo.com, especially regarding its low light performance, persuaded me to go for it. I wanted it for a family trip next week and a business trip that will follow, so I didn't want to wait for the prices to lower. Amazon, Buy.com, etc. are showing availability in mid-April.
post #85 of 791
Please let us know what you think, i've just preordered my FH1!
post #86 of 791
Well I just ordered the VPC-FH1 from Buy.com today! They have it in stock right now! Can't wait.
post #87 of 791
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Originally Posted by GeneralG40 View Post

Well I just ordered the VPC-FH1 from Buy.com today! They have it in stock right now! Can't wait.

$429 is mighty tempting. I hope to see some personal reviews soon.
post #88 of 791
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Originally Posted by NVboy View Post

$429 is mighty tempting. I hope to see some personal reviews soon.

I will do my best for a review. It was either this camera or the Canon HF100... Just couldn't pass up on the price the FH1 was.
post #89 of 791
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Originally Posted by GeneralG40 View Post

I will do my best for a review.

Just need to know if a normal person can hold & shoot excellent video, as in does the IS work & how is the overall PQ? Of course, any niggles one might find will also be of benefit.
post #90 of 791
Now at $397. The big question is WHY? What exactly is so wrong with this that it is 1/2 the price of most other HD camcorder options? Camcorderinfo rates it higher than the Canon HF20. I think I've had a calculator from Sanyo, but otherwise no experience with them at all.
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