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post #1951 of 8565
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I think we all know what Ken voted in that other thread.

He voted correctly. I know I did (I hate being right all the time)..
post #1952 of 8565
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Are you going to do another poll when you get the new Denon?
post #1953 of 8565
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Speaking of "right" answer, I guess you are just voting about the 3800 compared to a cheaper player since you don't own the 09FD or S5000ES...?
post #1954 of 8565
I wish someone could tell me on how all these people that dont own 09 can say it performs like all other players or not as good... I mean you cant compare a mercedes to a lexus if you never went and drove the mercedes to know for yourself. or you could ask the people that own and have drove one to see what they think. OH wait all the people that own the 09 are raving about it,,, they ALL must be wrong , including me . show me a person that owns a 09 that isnt happy with ,,and show me a person that DOSENT OWN ONE that isnt happy with it, ,its just getting stupid,,
post #1955 of 8565
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I agree. Well put.
post #1956 of 8565
Back when members were calling the 51/05 a "pos" with no basis other than speculation, it was just the opposite.....I remember pointing out that the real "pos" in the BR market at the time was the Denon 2500. For the price I felt it was a pure rip off and nothing more than a re-boxed Panasonic BD-30......Well, I was quickly told that the build quality and the updated power supply on the 2500 made it a better BR player than the BD-30.......I'm wondering, since the 2500 only has an HDMI out, how could the items listed for me months ago make any difference at all to the 2500's output? Tell me why again, was the Denon 2500 a better box than the BD-30 five months ago?
post #1957 of 8565
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

i will ask this question, though I'm dubious of an answer.

Is anyone using their 09 with HDMI video going to their processor/display for video and analog audio out directly to a preamp? And if so, have you noticed any A/V sync issues? Most here have elaborate HT setups compared to mine, which is simple 2-channel stereo with video capability added. Though I'd tentatively removed the 09 from my list, here I am thinking about it again. Go figure.

And, as someone whose DVD collection is video-heavy, that aspect of performance is most important to me. Are there any issues such as crushed whites (with, say, a piano keyboard)? Can these be compensated for in the player? Once my schedule permits me to find and go somewhere I can put one of these through a test, I'll probably have enough information to make a decision.

Research is no longer fun, it's work.

I have both 2ch analog headphone amp and a A/V 7.1 (I have only tried HDMI with my A/V). However no A/V sync problem. I run 2ch analog direct to my 2ch amp. I run my HDMI audio direct to my A/V and use the second HDMI port on the 09 to my display.

About a year ago I was having a sync problem. But the problem was being caused by my Lumagen, had to tweak the Lumagen and do a sound delay with my A/V. Now my Lumagen is out of my chain setting in my basement.
post #1958 of 8565
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Originally Posted by oddeofile View Post

Exactly! Great job sillysally. Indeed. And, the more you add, the better it gets. It is indeed cumulative. I have the premier SC on my 151 and BDP-09 and I see exactly the same thing. Incredible depth and beauty to the picture in a hugely "natural" way and it is addictive - fast. I can never go back.

Give the premier's time to break in and try again in say about 50 hrs if you have not yet. Almost my entire system is wired with premier sc power cords. Every one I add it improves more. They work exceptionally on the processor/power amp or receiver and improved my preamp and amp immensely. Further still, if you have power filtration they really smoke. After installing them between the output of my 2 power plant premier's and the system equipment my jaw hit the floor. This, after having statement power cords in my system for years and were great, well shielded (4 shields) power cords. The premier's simply dusted them!

I agree... keep smiling!!

Thanks for your incite.

One question.
I have a Belkin PureAVĀ® PF31. I understand it's very limited in what it can do. However It does have a volt and amp meter display. After installing the Premier "SC" Power Cable and the PS Audio - Classic Power Port - Premium AC Wall Receptacle , my volt meter shows that the voltage for most of the time stays at 120 volts. Before I made my changes the voltage would stay mainly at 115 volts. Would you say that adding a power plant premier, and running my sig 141, BD-09 and MK IV SE headphone amp on it be the way to go. And would 1 power plant premier be able to handle what I have listed above?

Thanks.

ss

btw; Thanks for the heads up on the break in for about 50 hrs. That is what I also have read and why I was dragging my feet on giving my findings. I do keep seeing the improvement as time goes by.

You sum up what I am seeing so very well. "Incredible depth and beauty to the picture in a hugely "natural" way and it is addictive - fast. I can never go back."
post #1959 of 8565
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Originally Posted by mplitkins View Post


1. I got a weird Blu-ray of 'In Bruges' from Amazon.com that apparently is made for a Northern European market (has subtitles for Danish, Swedish, Finnish and Norwegian -- and nothing else). I didn't realize this when I ordered it, but that's what I got.


3. I tried another Blu-ray title that we had just gotten (A Knight's Tale) thinking that this must be due to 'In Bruges' being weird or broken. It also had no audio tracks according to the player, *but* it would play sound effects in the menu. Now something really seemed weird.

4. I tried a known-good Blu-ray title (National Treasure) and once again, no-audio.


Thoughts?

This is surely a more interesting and relevant topic than power cords...

I have both National Treasure and A Knight's Tale, both BDs. Just tried A Knight's Tale, there are three sound tracks, np switching from track to track.
Same for National Treasure.

So if I were you I would do as joerod says.
post #1960 of 8565
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I think we all know what Ken voted in that other thread.

Joe, I actually didn't vote!
post #1961 of 8565
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Peter, you know that you and I generally agree on most things. However, I'll go so far as to say your 141 is responsible for most everything you see! Your description of what you're seeing is precisely what I feel with both my lowly PS3 & Pioneer 51 BD players with very much 'middle-of-the-road' cables.

But most importantly, both you and I actually have no idea what the original BD master looks like. Whatever we see on our screen, with whatever improvements we may see as a result of changes in our setup, may or may not be what the studio master looks like. In fact, the 'tweaks' we make may, in actuality, move us further away from the master! Yes, we may like the 'new' look of our picture, but that doesn't mean it's moved closer to the actual 'master'. How can we possibly know unless we're in the studio with the actual master and being played on the same equipment we have, adjusted the same way?

Ken, yes I agree with what you are saying.
The reason why I am saying this, is because I have changed my settings so many times trying to get the holy grail of ISF calibrations. So I believed I have a good understanding of what I think the mastering of the BD should look like. And what errors have been made in transferring the film to Blu Ray.
That said, of course its just how I view things on a Blu Ray film.

imo oddeofile sumed it up perfectly "Incredible depth and beauty to the picture in a hugely "natural" way"

Peter.
post #1962 of 8565
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Again, power cord talk needs to stop here... I even said pretty please.

Well, as long as you put it that way, I will comply.
post #1963 of 8565
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Joe, I actually didn't vote!

I would have been wrong!
post #1964 of 8565
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Well, as long as you put it that way, I will comply.

THX- Double S!
post #1965 of 8565
All things considered if I was buying a new Blu Ray player today and I had a choice between the Sony BDP-S5000ES the Denon 3800-BDCI or the Pioneer 09. I will definitely go for the Pioneer 09. I did a shoot out of all the 3 players and they are all wonderful players. I feel either of these players is more then satisfactory when it comes to performance, after critically viewing all the players for several hrs. The Pioneer had an edge over both the Sony and the Denon. In a sense of depth and color just a tighter picture over both. Understand that these differences are subtle but to the videophile they are huge. When using the 7.1 analog outputs. I decided to watch Chris Botti Live a wonderful Blu Ray in PCM 5.1. (96 khz/ 24BIT) I felt the overall tone and balance of the music was superior on the Pioneer over the other machines. However this can be system dependant.

After all was done I have decided to put my Denon for sale.
These are just my views.
post #1966 of 8565
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Thanks DVD MAN. That is exactly the same conclusion I came up with.
post #1967 of 8565
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Originally Posted by funwithstereos View Post

I wish someone could tell me on how all these people that dont own 09 can say it performs like all other players or not as good... I mean you cant compare a mercedes to a lexus if you never went and drove the mercedes to know for yourself. or you could ask the people that own and have drove one to see what they think. OH wait all the people that own the 09 are raving about it,,, they ALL must be wrong , including me . show me a person that owns a 09 that isnt happy with ,,and show me a person that DOSENT OWN ONE that isnt happy with it, ,its just getting stupid,,

Don't you know that all the raving from actual 09 owners is simply "placebo". None of the positive things we are seeing or hearing is really there. This isn't the player you're looking for...you can go about your business.

But if there are problems and there will always be some, then that is certainly FACT and will be described as a 'disastrous' product.

Watched some college football games today that I downloaded from HD streams etc...and burned them to dvd. Don't have a BD burner. But they looked better than I've ever seen them before. At times, it looked nearly like the real HD broadcast. Not bad for a source that was 1080i then compressed to be uploaded and whatever happens on all that I have no idea! Then downgraded even further by limiting it to 480p.

But it looked great and these are games I'm very familiar with. The setting I thought was the best for dvd is 1080p/60. Had a plethora of jaggies on 1080/24.
post #1968 of 8565
I get my 09fd on tues. I think I will not use the audio on the 09fd but bitstream all audio via. HDMI to my SC-09TX for all HD audio(main port) and video from sub port to my 151, is this my best bet for best AQ/PQ for a quick setup until I have time (right now I running 10.1 channel Bi-amp in a 5.1 channel from my SC-09TX . is there a better way for AQ/AQ
post #1969 of 8565
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Thanks DVD MAN. That is exactly the same conclusion I came up with.

Hay Joerod

How fast are the load time on the 09 vs PS3 and the 05 Player you have, Am looking to buy the 09 very soon and what some input from a guy who has one him self.

I can get one from top choose Digital.com for $1,656.50 does this sound a bit high to you, See Am from Australia and wanting a US Player region A Because I only buy us stuff, I have a BD10A now but it a little old now and No Master
And 24p.
Any Input would be great


Also do you have to be a AVS club Member to get a Picture under your name like you one.

Thanks
Joerod
post #1970 of 8565
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

I have the 95FD as well, and it produces excellent output. I think the most noticeable upgrade you could do would be swapping out the Samsung LCD for a Pioneer plasma.

I did it, my 151 Kuro G9 come in on 3-309 and my BDP-09FD come in no 3-2-09. ALL ELITE HT,all 9 ,BDP-09FD,SC-09TX151 Kuro G9,
post #1971 of 8565
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Originally Posted by BLUTRIG View Post

That what i pay for my 09fd from Top Choosc Digital + 40 fro shiping + tax 1749 and no 2 year warranty

Why don't you get the 2 year warranty?
post #1972 of 8565
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

Why don't you get the 2 year warranty?

wholesale price
post #1973 of 8565
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Originally Posted by BLUTRIG View Post

wholesale price

The price you pay has nothing to do with the warranty. You get 2 years with an Elite product.
post #1974 of 8565
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

I have both National Treasure and A Knight's Tale, both BDs. Just tried A Knight's Tale, there are three sound tracks, np switching from track to track.
Same for National Treasure.

So if I were you I would do as joerod says.

Thanks. I can't explain why the power off during viewing 'A Knight's Tale' caused the player to forget that discs had audio tracks, but I did more testing today and can confirm that playing 'In Bruges' on the 09FD will cause the player to partially lose it's mind and give the symptoms I outlined initially. The only way to fix it is a hard reset.

It was also definitely the cause of 'Band of Brothers' thinking that the player was built for the wrong region. That went away with the hard reset as well.

Kind of disturbing that a title can do that to the memory of the player...
post #1975 of 8565
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

The price you pay has nothing to do with the warranty. You get 2 years with an Elite product.

TCD wanted to sale me a warranty
post #1976 of 8565
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Originally Posted by BLUTRIG View Post

TCD wanted to sale me a warranty

The BDP-09FD comes with a 2 year warranty from Pioneer. As long as you bought it from an authorized dealer, you have a 2 year warranty. Regardless of the price you paid. Congrat yourself on getting a good deal and a 2 year warranty too boot.
post #1977 of 8565
Hi to all you guys with 09

i am from hong kong and bought 09 1 week ago.1 word this monster

is great.but one thing i want to ask is there any body have any

problems in playing black hawk down in the 09 i have already

updated the latest firmware still it cannot be readed.all other

bluray disc no problem.

Anybody?????????????
post #1978 of 8565
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Would you say that adding a power plant premier, and running my sig 141, BD-09 and MK IV SE headphone amp on it be the way to go. And would 1 power plant premier be able to handle what I have listed above?

Thanks.


I am running a Theta Casablanca III,two Theta Six Shooter analog pre-amps, JVC RS20,Direct TV HR22 and AM21, Philips RFX9600 remote serial extender, and several transports that are on at various times with my PS Audio Premier. It works fine. The only problem is that when the projector is on, I have to run a 5 inch ultra quite pc fan. Otherwise, the internal fan of the Premier will come on and it is very audible. However, with the external fan, I am able to prevent it from ever coming on.
post #1979 of 8565
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Originally Posted by BLUTRIG View Post

ALL ELITE HT,all 9 ,BDP-09FD,SC-09TX151 Kuro G9,

Great minds think alike!

ss9001
Susano-man
post #1980 of 8565
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Originally Posted by BLUTRIG View Post

TCD wanted to sale me a warranty

If you used an amex card, you get 3 years free :-)
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