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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

It's funny you should say that. My biggest gripe about the aesthetic of the Pioneer Blu-Ray line (this includes my 95FD) is what I consider its "plasticky" look. All my other components have a brushed metal finish and the shiny plastic of my 95 kind of stands out in the stack. I wouldn't call it "cheap-looking," by any means, but it doesn't "blend."

FWIW, my Oppo DVD-83 actually looks surprisingly nice. It's pretty slim, but it's all metal and very clean and solid-looking.

That's exactly why I like the look of the Denon 3800 better. On the other hand, I'm not sure what bothers me more, the plastic look or the fact that everything is Pioneer in the rack, except one component.

post #2282 of 8421
You do a Very Nice write up..........


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Originally Posted by mwiebelhaus View Post

I have had my Elite 09 for two weeks now and thought I would add my comment:
WOW!

I compared the 09 to my long time reference PS3. Both of them were set to 24p output, which were in turn fed to two inputs of my Lumagen Radiance. The Radiance outputs 48p to my Marantz VP11S2. I use a 9ft wide 2.35 Stewart 130 screen with this setup.

When playing Blu-Rays, the 09 puts out a better picture than the PS3. The big difference is the clarity and three dimensionality of the 09 picture. I see more depth and dimensionality to the picture with the 09 than the PS3. Not every scene in every movie, but enough to make the difference worthwhile. I also see a bit cleaner small detail in the picture with the 09 vs. the PS3. Leaves on a tree are a bit more countable with the 09 vs. the PS3. I hesitate to say it but the picture has a bit more solidity and fluid motion with the 09. I would not notice that difference without having looked at my PS3 for hundreds of movies over the last year and a half.

For DVD's, all I want is a clean 480i image from a player as I let my Radiance do all the scaling and de-interlacing. That the 09 provides quite well. I had been using a Toshiba HD-A35 to output 480i to my Radiance. I find the 09 to be its equal except again I notice more depth and dimensionality to the 09 picture. I do not watch a lot of DVD's any more so I did not compare performance here like I did for Blu-Rays. Still, I have no complaints with picture quality here.

Audio? I am waiting for Meridian's HDMI box at the end of this month so for now, I am using Coax out. FWIW, I did find Dolby Digital and DTS audio via the 09 coax superior to the optical from the PS3. Somewhat more dynamic with improved sound field imaging. I am looking forward to using the dual HDMI outputs. One HDMI out is video only to my Radiance and the other will be audio only to the Meridian 621 HDMI audio processor box. Even if this did not make a difference in audio performance, it is a nice convenience. One less box that I have to loop HDMI through to extract video again is one less HDMI handshake issue I have to deal with, always a good thing.

My equipment sits out in the room. I really appreciate the good looks of the 09. The Piano black finish, the positioning of the buttons, the tasteful and understated graphic labeling, the lack of silver finish work on an otherwise black fascia, it all results in a very handsome unit that can hang in there with my Meridian components.

Build quality is awesome. I know for some this is a non-starter, but I truly enjoy components built as well as this. The drawer mechanism is silky smooth. The panels and plates that make up the casework are solid pieces that make the player feel monolithic when you pick it up. The layout of the back panel has quality connectors laid out as I like. In operation, the unit is dead quiet (quite a change from the PS3!). The construction internally is first class, with quality boards and power supplies. My overall impression here is that the designers took great pride in putting out the best player they could. One really needs to experience this in person to appreciate it fully.

I would summarize my comments by saying that the 09 is worth the purchase price to me. Blu-Ray picture quality differences that individually seem small add up collectively to a noticeably more compelling image with the 09 vs. the PS3. DVD performance is certainly up to my expectations. High def Blu-Ray sound waits to be heard. It could well be another source of improvement with dedicated HDMI audio out, but at a minimum, is a worthwhile convenience. The looks and build quality are impeccable. If the 09 at all intrigues you, do yourself a favor and evaluate one for yourself.
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

It's funny you should say that. My biggest gripe about the aesthetic of the Pioneer Blu-Ray line (this includes my 95FD) is what I consider its "plasticky" look. All my other components have a brushed metal finish and the shiny plastic of my 95 kind of stands out in the stack. I wouldn't call it "cheap-looking," by any means, but it doesn't "blend."

FWIW, my Oppo DVD-83 actually looks surprisingly nice. It's pretty slim, but it's all metal and very clean and solid-looking.

The 09FD (pictured above) looks cheap?
LL
post #2284 of 8421
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Originally Posted by BellyLint View Post

If I purchase the new Pioneer 09 (not sure if I can wait long enough for reviews on the Oppo 83), will it be a hindrance hooking up my older Denon AVR 3805 to the analog outputs in the 09?

The BDP-09FD is the perfect solution for owners of older receiver which can't decode the newer audio formats or are not HDMI capable. I've connected mine via 7.1 analogs and it works fine. You would have to buy a new receiver for Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA if you didn't buy a player that decoded and converted it to analog.
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Originally Posted by mgfred View Post

The BDP-09FD is the perfect solution for owners of older receiver which can't decode the newer audio formats or are not HDMI capable. I've connected mine via 7.1 analogs and it works fine. You would have to buy a new receiver for Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA if you didn't buy a player that decoded and converted it to analog.

MgFred, thanks for the advice!

Now I just need to figure out if I should dive in head first to a Pioneer 09 purchase or wait a few weeks to see if the Oppo 83 is just as good and maybe save upwards of $1,000.

Any advice there?
post #2286 of 8421
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

The 09FD (pictured above) looks cheap?

If you re-read my post, I specifically said the opposite:
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

It's funny you should say that. My biggest gripe about the aesthetic of the Pioneer Blu-Ray line (this includes my 95FD) is what I consider its "plasticky" look. All my other components have a brushed metal finish and the shiny plastic of my 95 kind of stands out in the stack. I wouldn't call it "cheap-looking," by any means, but it doesn't "blend."


It obviously "blends" in your all-Elite system. My stuff is black brushed aluminum, a look I happen to prefer.
post #2287 of 8421
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Originally Posted by texasveteran View Post

That's exactly why I like the look of the Denon 3800 better. On the other hand, I'm not sure what bothers me more, the plastic look or the fact that everything is Pioneer in the rack, except one component.


Back in the "old days," before the great programmable remotes we can get now, I'd usually stay within one manufacturer's product line, as I liked those proprietary control systems that allowed everything to operate off the receiver remote. The fact that all the components "matched" was kind of a nice side benefit.

But these days, I don't care in the least about a component's look and how it matches my other gear; it just needs to play nice with my control system (and pretty much everything but the PS3 does...). It all sits in the dark anyway. I like that this frees me up to just get whatever I think is best for my use without any particular manufacturer "bias."
post #2288 of 8421
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Originally Posted by mgfred View Post

Someone phrased it last week that Oppo owners are like a cult.

Yeah, I'm beginning to sense that.


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I'm also still under the impression that a player built in Japan is better than one built in China.

I'm under that same impression. For example, look at China's quality control on milk, or kids toys, the list goes on and on...
post #2289 of 8421
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

It's funny you should say that. My biggest gripe about the aesthetic of the Pioneer Blu-Ray line (this includes my 95FD) is what I consider its "plasticky" look. All my other components have a brushed metal finish and the shiny plastic of my 95 kind of stands out in the stack. I wouldn't call it "cheap-looking," by any means, but it doesn't "blend."

FWIW, my Oppo DVD-83 actually looks surprisingly nice. It's pretty slim, but it's all metal and very clean and solid-looking.

Everyone's taste is different. To me the Oppo is cheap looking. Perhaps it's just a stigma. I dunno, but I equate it to a Funai.

I do miss the rosewood sides of the Elites of yore. But I do think the 09 is a sexy beast. Grrr...
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

That's an interesting conclusion considering you're feeding the Lumagen source direct from both the ps3 and 09. I would think since the Lumagen is processing the video in both cases, there shouldn't be a difference. Unless the PS3 doesn't have a source direct option and the Lumagen is processing an already processed video signal (if that makes sense)?

The PS3 doesn't have source direct.
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Originally Posted by mgfred View Post

The BDP-09FD is the perfect solution for owners of older receiver which can't decode the newer audio formats or are not HDMI capable. I've connected mine via 7.1 analogs and it works fine. You would have to buy a new receiver for Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA if you didn't buy a player that decoded and converted it to analog.

Now, I'm thinking about buying the 09, but in this case here, why not just buy a new receiver, which would probably be cheaper?
post #2292 of 8421
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Originally Posted by mgfred View Post

Someone phrased it last week that Oppo owners are like a cult.

I've come to learn there's good reason for that.
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Back in the "old days," before the great programmable remotes we can get now, I'd usually stay within one manufacturer's product line, as I liked those proprietary control systems that allowed everything to operate off the receiver remote. The fact that all the components "matched" was kind of a nice side benefit.

But these days, I don't care in the least about a component's look and how it matches my other gear; it just needs to play nice with my control system (and pretty much everything but the PS3 does...). It all sits in the dark anyway. I like that this frees me up to just get whatever I think is best for my use without any particular manufacturer "bias."

Oh, my problem is strictly OCD, not because I'm dedicated to a certain mfg or because of the remote control benefit.
post #2294 of 8421
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Originally Posted by BellyLint View Post

MgFred, thanks for the advice!

Now I just need to figure out if I should dive in head first to a Pioneer 09 purchase or wait a few weeks to see if the Oppo 83 is just as good and maybe save upwards of $1,000.

Any advice there?

It alls depends on the quality of the player you're looking for. If money is the #1 priority, check out the BDP-51FD, you can buy it at Amazon for less than $300 (Pioneer just dropped the list price) and it will decode to 7.1 analogs. The firmware for DTS-MA decoding will be available early April and it's a decent player. I just saved you another $200.

The BDP-09FD is the Rolls Royce of BD players right now. Pricey yes... but it's worth it to us in the 09FD "club".
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

The 09FD (pictured above) looks cheap?

Joe, if you buffed out those fingerprints it wouldn't.
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Back in the "old days," before the great programmable remotes we can get now, I'd usually stay within one manufacturer's product line, as I liked those proprietary control systems that allowed everything to operate off the receiver remote. The fact that all the components "matched" was kind of a nice side benefit.

Not a real big deal but I like how the Pioneer SR system works. My VSX-59TXi receiver is way too big for my component rack so I have it on top of it. Using SR I am able to control all of the other Pioneer products in the rack by pointing the remotes at the receiver. The glass on the rack door weakens the remote's signal some, this way it's not an issue.

I just wish the 09FD had an SR out as well. My Pioneer iPod dock only has an SR in like the 09FD and I can't use the SR on it. However it's on top of the TV so there's no harm done.
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Joe, if you buffed out those fingerprints it wouldn't.

That's why I haven't posted a pic of my audio rack yet. I'm anticipating criticism of the fingerprints....
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Pardon my ignorance...I'm a bit of a newbie with this stuff but trying to learn as best I can.

But, is there any reason why the Pioneer 09 and other "high end" BDPs don't have the capability to steam Netflix movies? I'm guessing that watching a movie that has been downloaded would potentially be not as good as plopping in a Blu Ray disc. Is this why or is it licensing?

Do true videophiles not watch movies that are streamlined through Netflix?

Sorry, just looking to see what the members of the 09 "club" think before I throw down the big bucks and join y'all

John
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Originally Posted by BellyLint View Post

Pardon my ignorance...I'm a bit of a newbie with this stuff but trying to learn as best I can.

But, is there any reason why the Pioneer 09 and other "high end" BDPs don't have the capability to steam Netflix movies? I'm guessing that watching a movie that has been downloaded would potentially be not as good as plopping in a Blu Ray disc. Is this why or is it licensing?

Do true videophiles not watch movies that are streamlined through Netflix?

Sorry, just looking to see what the members of the 09 "club" think before I throw down the big bucks and join y'all

John

Personally I am not interested in streaming movies since the quality is not as good as BLU-RAY. I would rather rent or purchase the movie on BLU-RAY since the bit rate for video and audio is higher quality then any existing streaming format. When and if the day comes when I can rent a 50GB BLU-RAY move by streaming then I would be interested in downloading streamed video. I like the high bit rate MPEG-4 or VC-1 1080P quality and DTS-HD Master audio for movies along with director commentaries. When Internet speeds increase and 50GB discs can be downloaded with all the feature of BLU-RAY I will be very interested in streaming, for now only interested in BLU-RAY discs for the best quality.
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I'm also still under the impression that a player built in Japan is better than one built in China.

Once upon time we used to make such quotes about items made in Japan and look how far they have come.
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Originally Posted by HDTV1080P24 View Post

Personally I am not interested in streaming movies since the quality is not as good as BLU-RAY. I would rather rent or purchase the movie on BLU-RAY since the bit rate for video and audio is higher quality then any existing streaming format. When and if the day comes when I can rent a 50GB BLU-RAY move by streaming then I would be interested in downloading streamed video. I like the high bit rate MPEG-4 or VC-1 1080P quality and DTS-HD Master audio for movies along with director commentaries. When Internet speeds increase and 50GB discs can be downloaded with all the feature of BLU-RAY I will be very interested in streaming, for now only interested in BLU-RAY discs for the best quality.

HDTV1080p24,

Thanks so much for your response! I wasn't aware that you could only stream the standard DVDs and not the Blu Ray. In that case, I won't even consider the other players that do that. I agree with you in that I would much rather have the video quality than a little convenience. If I'm going to spend a lot of $$$ on a 1080p projector, I'd better be getting the best BDP I can find.

My only thing now is wondering if I should jump in to the Pioneer 09 right now or if it may behoove me to wait just a few more weeks to see if the Oppo 83 can come close for a grand less.

Any thoughts HD? (hmmm...I'll bet Joe would have something to say about this

Much appreciated,
John
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Originally Posted by texasveteran View Post

Now, I'm thinking about buying the 09, but in this case here, why not just buy a new receiver, which would probably be cheaper?

If you have a number of sources, I do think it makes more sense to have the best audio capabilities in your receiver or processor. Then all your sources benefit. (This approach also makes source upgrades a little easier and less expensive.) But if you don't expect to have any other sources that use HD audio, the 09 would give you both a great BD player and your high-end audio in one unit.
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Originally Posted by mgfred View Post


Once upon time we used to make such quotes about items made in Japan and look how far they have come.

True, but that doesn't mean what was said was wrong at the beginning. China may eventually get there, but currently they are the kings of krap.
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If one already owns a Denon 3800 is there a good reason to get the 09? It's hard for me to justify paying roughly 2k on TWO different BD players but if there were a solid reason to....

Ralph
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Originally Posted by RalphoR View Post

If one already owns a Denon 3800 is there a good reason to get the 09? It's hard for me to justify paying roughly 2k on TWO different BD players but if there were a solid reason to....

Ralph

No. If you already have $2K into a Denon or Sony ES... you are not going to get $2000 in improvements by moving laterally.. you should know this..... but perhaps you already do as you said you are having trouble justifying such a wasteful move.
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

No. If you already have $2K into a Denon or Sony ES... you are not going to get $2000 in improvements by moving laterally.. you should know this..... but perhaps you already do as you said you are having trouble justifying such a wasteful move.



Yeah I do....but there's something about owning "the best that's out there". I'm not sure which one is the best but it would have to be pretty darn good to be better than the 3800. Thanks for the voice of reason :-)
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

Everyone's taste is different. To me the Oppo is cheap looking. Perhaps it's just a stigma. I dunno, but I equate it to a Funai.

I do miss the rosewood sides of the Elites of yore. But I do think the 09 is a sexy beast. Grrr...

Get an 09 and be happy or do you feel you are missing out.
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Originally Posted by RalphoR View Post

Yeah I do....but there's something about owning "the best that's out there". I'm not sure which one is the best but it would have to be pretty darn good to be better than the 3800. Thanks for the voice of reason :-)

Well, you could always wait a couple months and get the new Denon (for $4500), and then feel like you have "the best that's out there."
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

Get an 09 and be happy or do you feel you are missing out.

Wabo DOES have the 09!
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Well, you could always wait a couple months and get the new Denon (for $4500), and then feel like you have "the best that's out there."


That would just kill me! I just have to find a way to be happy with what I have and not worry about the next "best thing". The problem is is that there will always be a next "best thing". It's never-ending.
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