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post #7711 of 8421
11/27/10 at 7:50am
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post
Be careful. If it was a dealer demo, it was on and likely playing all the time. But it is good the drive was replaced. Try the disc in another player. Perhaps it is a fluke, but if it happens again, there may be some issue.

If you've had it 2 weeks and it has had a freezing issue on an otherwise perfect disc, consider a return...
I really am not too concerned as far as the dealer is concerned as I bought it from Robert at V'E' and he is aware of it. Just the bother of having to take it out and all that. Thanks for your imput.
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post #7712 of 8421
11/27/10 at 7:54am
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Originally Posted by bslep View Post
If I recall correctly when Avatar first came out Pioneer needed a software update for the movie to play correctly. I wonder if it's just an issue with that disc?

Also, how does the 09 compare to your Sony 1000ES PQ wise?
I think the sony is a very nice unit but and this is in my opinion the Ellite seems to have a better picture and basically I can run it source direct to my epson 9500ub. I also consider the analog outs awesome especially for music I listen to a lot of cd's and they have never sounded better. In fact I bought the sony at BB for a good price and I am in the return window If I cannot sell it this weekend I am returning it I just do not need it. It is a good little unit If I needed it I would keep it.

By the way just incase the disc was a problem I am returning it for exchange to Amazon.
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post #7713 of 8421
11/27/10 at 9:39pm
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

fitmware 2.69 avatar collectors addition flawless

Did the update from 2.61 to 2.69 and my BD avatar collectors edition works fine without any problems
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post #7714 of 8421
11/30/10 at 4:35am
http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/support/so...X91/index.html
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post #7715 of 8421
11/30/10 at 5:22am
Just an update for anyone interested. I have watched two further movies, Inclluding the Fox new Sound Of Music for my wife. and absolutely not issues so far. Just received my exchanged copy of the Special Edition of Avatar,from Aazon. Boy are they quick. The only thing I did different with Avatar when I watched it was I stopped in the middle removed the disc and when I went to finish reinserted. Fox has these crazy slider booke foe these special editions. Id clean it after the first time but the issue continued a couple more times. Well see with the new one. What does the 2.70 firmware offer. I guess well have to wait a while for it to get to US . I do reall love this unit. The analog audio is amazing for CD's.
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post #7716 of 8421
11/30/10 at 5:30am
From Pioneer's European site...

CHANGE HISTORY FOR BDP-LX91

Ver 2.70
Enhances stability of BD-ROM playback
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post #7717 of 8421
11/30/10 at 5:53am
Thanks seems pretty common from what most say. right.
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post #7718 of 8421
11/30/10 at 6:22am
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Originally Posted by filemile View Post

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/support/so...X91/index.html

The download instructions say:


D. After the disc is completed, confirm the following 3 files are on the disc:

NOTE:
- If the correct files are not copied to the disc, your player will not recognize it as an update disc and
you will not be able to carry out the update.

DLfile.pkg 97.8Mbyte (102,563,920 bytes)
DLdiscidentifier.txt 94 bytes
.DLdiscidentifier.txt 95 bytes

What I see on my CD disc aftering burning the image are but 2 files

DLfile.pkg 97.8Mbyte (102,563,920 bytes)
DLdiscidentifier.txt 94 bytes

I did not proceed any further.
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post #7719 of 8421
11/30/10 at 7:00pm
Hey guys I must sound crazy. The issue I had above has returned tonight. After Avatar I watched four movies over the last few days no issues. Tonight I watched the new Fox film night and day. about 45 minutes ths issue I had the other night popped up. just break up and pixelization. I stopped the film and checked the disc no marks but cleanede any way. put it in and went right backt to where it was and played fine a while later same thing. This time I just stopped the movie opened the drawer and closed it went back to where it started and was fine it happened one more time 10 minutes before end and did same thing and finished fine. The only studio I had this issue was Fox although sound of music played fine. I did have an issue with fox Alien anthology on my oppo before selling the oppo but this was a known issue with the oppo . I read in the 05/51 thread some of those had this issue but a firmware fixed it. I was just wondering if anyone on this thread had this happen anytime and I also wonder if it is a recent issue will the new firmware that is in the UK adress it. I am really hating to have to disconnedt and have to send it back or in for repair. The only thing could be my 35ft HDMI to my pJ but I think it is two intermittent for that. I do not think it is dust or marks on the disc. This time it never froze and I could fast forward, pause , etc. Only after I opened and closed would it go away. Hope I am not boring anyone.
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post #7720 of 8421
11/30/10 at 8:00pm
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

Hey guys I must sound crazy. The issue I had above has returned tonight. After Avatar I watched four movies over the last few days no issues. Tonight I watched the new Fox film night and day. about 45 minutes ths issue I had the other night popped up. just break up and pixelization. I stopped the film and checked the disc no marks but cleanede any way. put it in and went right backt to where it was and played fine a while later same thing. This time I just stopped the movie opened the drawer and closed it went back to where it started and was fine it happened one more time 10 minutes before end and did same thing and finished fine. The only studio I had this issue was Fox although sound of music played fine. I did have an issue with fox Alien anthology on my oppo before selling the oppo but this was a known issue with the oppo . I read in the 05/51 thread some of those had this issue but a firmware fixed it. I was just wondering if anyone on this thread had this happen anytime and I also wonder if it is a recent issue will the new firmware that is in the UK adress it. I am really hating to have to disconnedt and have to send it back or in for repair. The only thing could be my 35ft HDMI to my pJ but I think it is two intermittent for that. I do not think it is dust or marks on the disc. This time it never froze and I could fast forward, pause , etc. Only after I opened and closed would it go away. Hope I am not boring anyone.

I don't wish to sound like a smart a$$, but shouldn't you be addressing your questions to the store you bought it at or Pioneer?

It's very unlikely that any new firmware issued will address error correction capability for the machine at this point in time; it's a two year old machine by design and probably over a year old from manufacturing date. Any improvements for error correction should have been done long ago. The disc drive itself was an older Pioneer read/burner unit already in service to begin with.

I think at this point only you can answer your questions as you have posted. I hate to see someone stuck with a lemon, maybe you can return it. There are newer machines with the same or better specs for less money available or on the "coming soon" list.
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post #7721 of 8421
12/1/10 at 2:13am
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

Hey guys I must sound crazy. The issue I had above has returned tonight. After Avatar I watched four movies over the last few days no issues. Tonight I watched the new Fox film night and day. about 45 minutes ths issue I had the other night popped up. just break up and pixelization. I stopped the film and checked the disc no marks but cleanede any way. put it in and went right backt to where it was and played fine a while later same thing. This time I just stopped the movie opened the drawer and closed it went back to where it started and was fine it happened one more time 10 minutes before end and did same thing and finished fine. The only studio I had this issue was Fox although sound of music played fine. I did have an issue with fox Alien anthology on my oppo before selling the oppo but this was a known issue with the oppo . I read in the 05/51 thread some of those had this issue but a firmware fixed it. I was just wondering if anyone on this thread had this happen anytime and I also wonder if it is a recent issue will the new firmware that is in the UK adress it. I am really hating to have to disconnedt and have to send it back or in for repair. The only thing could be my 35ft HDMI to my pJ but I think it is two intermittent for that. I do not think it is dust or marks on the disc. This time it never froze and I could fast forward, pause , etc. Only after I opened and closed would it go away. Hope I am not boring anyone.

While I don't remember where I saw it, I do remember something about Fox discs being problematic; this was last year I think. Are these all blu-rays? Do DVDs play fine?
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post #7722 of 8421
12/1/10 at 2:32am
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

While I don't remember where I saw it, I do remember something about Fox discs being problematic; this was last year I think. Are these all blu-rays? Do DVDs play fine?

Have not had a chance to try yet. but will.
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post #7723 of 8421
12/1/10 at 4:06am
I have this issue with my pioneer BDP-LX91 which is the UK model, it happens on and off with any blu ray A or B region you get grey pixel screen but can hear the sound
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post #7724 of 8421
12/1/10 at 4:51am
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Originally Posted by mikeyb50 View Post

I have this issue with my pioneer BDP-LX91 which is the UK model, it happens on and off with any blu ray A or B region you get grey pixel screen but can hear the sound

My screen does not go grey. I just keeps breaking up a bit sound continues. you can see the pic. How long have you had your machine and Have you talked to pioneer or dealer. This should not be a situation we should have to live with. I am under warranty and I can return it. I do like the unit and hope it can be fixed. I realize it is a two year old model but In the past I have had two other elite units and never had this issue. The o5 is an even older model. I really like the analog audio on this unit for my cd's. But do watch a lot of movies also.
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post #7725 of 8421
12/1/10 at 5:25am
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

I have and I am sure he is reliable. I just though it strange to have not had the issue through 4 films and than it happened again. I am sorry I am wasting your time. I do not think it odd that I just asked if anyone had the issue from this unit in the past and if it was correctable.

No worries on my part william06. Just pointing out that error correction firmware for the 09 should be mature at this point.

I also think it is not strange or unusual to have 4 or more disc's play with no problems. There is no doubt a plus/minus tolerance for the manufacturing of the disc just as there is a tolerance for the disc readers ability to preform. There will be variation within like machines from the same manufacturer and clearly variation between different machines. If you hit the limits of both the reader and the disc you have problems. Point is that this is an old machine and reliability and performance has improved on newer machines. The 05,51, and 09 all use the same SoC and DAC's with the 09 having the addition of the Marvell Qdeo. If you consider the design and manufacturing time for the chips, and the fact that the 09 has been available for 2 years it makes the 09 a 3 year old machine. That's two Moore's law cycles; a lot can and has happened in that time frame.

Pioneer was in (and probably still is to some degree) deep financial difficulty at the time of release of the BDP-05,51, and 09. Like all companies in this condition, there was pressure to move product, generate cash, and move inventory to stop the bleeding. You can see this from the 05 and 51 coming to market with less than complete firmware. The 09 was more complete on release but still had some warts. Pioneer has taken some short cuts with these machines IMHO. I still own an 05 and a 51; knock on wood, I have had zero problems with them both. I bought an 09 but returned it as I could see or hear no difference between it and the 05 in my system save for a very slight visual improvement for some DVD's.

It's interesting you have said that the drive has been recently replaced and yet you have this problem. Looks like a red flag to me. Sounds like it needs to be replaced again. Sorry if I am wasting your time and I do hope you can resolve this with the dealer or Pioneer.

Best of luck!
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post #7726 of 8421
12/1/10 at 5:38am
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Originally Posted by b curry View Post

No worries on my part william06. Just pointing out that error correction firmware for the 09 should be mature at this point.

I also think it is not strange or unusual to have 4 or more disc's play with no problems. There is no doubt a plus/minus tolerance for the manufacturing of the disc just as there is a tolerance for the disc readers ability to preform. There will be variation within like machines from the same manufacturer and clearly variation between different machines. If you hit the limits of both the reader and the disc you have problems. Point is that this is an old machine and reliability and performance has improved on newer machines. The 05,51, and 09 all use the same SoC and DAC's with the 09 having the addition of the Marvell Qdeo. If you consider the design and manufacturing time for the chips, and the fact that the 09 has been available for 2 years it makes the 09 a 3 year old machine. That's two Moore's law cycles; a lot can and has happened in that time frame.

Pioneer was in (and probably still is to some degree) deep financial difficulty at the time of release of the BDP-05,51, and 09. Like all companies in this condition, there was pressure to move product, generate cash, and move inventory to stop the bleeding. You can see this from the 05 and 51 coming to market with less than complete firmware. The 09 was more complete on release but still had some warts. Pioneer has taken some short cuts with these machines IMHO. I still own an 05 and a 51; knock on wood, I have had zero problems with them both. I bought an 09 but returned it as I could see or hear no difference between it and the 05 in my system save for a very slight visual improvement for some DVD's.

It's interesting you have said that the drive has been recently replaced and yet you have this problem. Looks like a red flag to me. Sounds like it needs to be replaced again. Sorry if I am wasting your time and I do hope you can resolve this with the dealer or Pioneer.

Best of luck!

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No worries I appreciate your opinions. Yes it could be a red flag. The dealer is very reliable I am relize what you say is true. I posted to see with all the many owners out there if some had similar issues and the resolution. One has replied above. Just want to make sure It is not something I am doing wrong. But while on line this morning I have replayed the same movie from last night and the issue has happend again even freezing the machine once. stopping and starting did not resolve it but stopping opening the drawer and restarting did. Odd.
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post #7727 of 8421
12/1/10 at 8:15am
Just a note on the above issue I spoke to pioneer service. There wass an issue with fox discs especially the issue of the Avatar collecors edition. Not aware of any with night and day. He is checking. The issue was supposed to clear up the problem with firmware 2.65. He is checking with them to see if any issues specifically related to my firmware still exist and if the future firmware will correct it. If it was a drive issue it would be more consistant we shall see. Oh the dealer as I thought is willing to take it back.
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post #7728 of 8421
12/1/10 at 6:09pm
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

Hey guys I must sound crazy. The issue I had above has returned tonight. After Avatar I watched four movies over the last few days no issues. Tonight I watched the new Fox film night and day. about 45 minutes ths issue I had the other night popped up. just break up and pixelization. I stopped the film and checked the disc no marks but cleanede any way. put it in and went right backt to where it was and played fine a while later same thing. This time I just stopped the movie opened the drawer and closed it went back to where it started and was fine it happened one more time 10 minutes before end and did same thing and finished fine. The only studio I had this issue was Fox although sound of music played fine. I did have an issue with fox Alien anthology on my oppo before selling the oppo but this was a known issue with the oppo . I read in the 05/51 thread some of those had this issue but a firmware fixed it. I was just wondering if anyone on this thread had this happen anytime and I also wonder if it is a recent issue will the new firmware that is in the UK adress it. I am really hating to have to disconnedt and have to send it back or in for repair. The only thing could be my 35ft HDMI to my pJ but I think it is two intermittent for that. I do not think it is dust or marks on the disc. This time it never froze and I could fast forward, pause , etc. Only after I opened and closed would it go away. Hope I am not boring anyone.


My 09 is doing the same exact thing with the same exact titles. I am sure that Pioneer's next update will take care of the issue. I would not lose sleep over this.
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post #7729 of 8421
12/1/10 at 6:49pm
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I am sure a firmware update will correct this. Hang tight.
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post #7730 of 8421
12/1/10 at 6:54pm
I am not glad anyone has an issue, but when it is affecting other owners, than I do have confidence that it is not a faulty player just a firmware issue. When I called pioneer he asked for my seriel number saying some of the different series could have different issues with different films. He did mention that the 2.65 should have corrected the issues with avatar and that night and day was ok on theyre unit. He was forwarding all the info to tech. If anyone is having this issue I definately would suggest calling. Thanks for the responce DVD MAN and joerod.
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post #7731 of 8421
12/1/10 at 7:51pm
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

I am not glad anyone has an issue, but when it is affecting other owners, than I do have confidence that it is not a faulty player just a firmware issue. When I called pioneer he asked for my seriel number saying some of the different series could have different issues with different films. He did mention that the 2.65 should have corrected the issues with avatar and that night and day was ok on theyre unit. He was forwarding all the info to tech. If anyone is having this issue I definately would suggest calling. Thanks for the responce DVD MAN and joerod.

It is very difficult to get a CS rep @ Pioneer who actually is up to date on all the issues the 09 has but all we can do is notify them and hopefully updates will continue to fix any upcoming issues.

There was update that Pioneer release for the play back issues of the original release Avatar I am sure that the rep you spoke to was thinking about that release.
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post #7732 of 8421
12/2/10 at 1:52am
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Originally Posted by DVD MAN View Post
It is very difficult to get a CS rep @ Pioneer who actually is up to date on all the issues the 09 has but all we can do is notify them and hopefully updates will continue to fix any upcoming issues.

There was update that Pioneer release for the play back issues of the original release Avatar I am sure that the rep you spoke to was thinking about that release.
I actually did discuss that with him and he understood I was talking about the new collectors special edition. And he also mentioned night and day. Actually now that I think about it it seems he already new this problem existed. He did think they had it fixed and asked me for the upc codes of the discs. But you could be right Id rule nothing out.
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post #7733 of 8421
12/2/10 at 9:40am
For those of you interested. Pioneer CSR just called me back. There is a known problem with Night and Day and a Firmware will be issued tommorow on disc from pioneer parts dept. It will not be on the net or site for about a week lawyers and all. Make sure if you call you mention the just released 0ne. He did say they did not know anything about the new Avatar collectors edition but assuems the fix will work with both as it is a similar issue. I am getting very releived as it is firmware not my machine.
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post #7734 of 8421
12/2/10 at 11:48am
Thanks for the status update - I did not have any issues with the Avatar collectors edition, but I'll keep an eye out for the update regardless. It's a bit distressing to think that there would be enough variation in the internal spec within any single model of the "Elite" line (or any line really) to cause this kind of issue...
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post #7735 of 8421
12/2/10 at 12:47pm
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Originally Posted by ECS01 View Post

Thanks for the status update - I did not have any issues with the Avatar collectors edition, but I'll keep an eye out for the update regardless. It's a bit distressing to think that there would be enough variation in the internal spec within any single model of the "Elite" line (or any line really) to cause this kind of issue...

I do agree with your thoughts. But I do think they do change some things in the mfg process as time goes on. I kind of got that impression when talking to the CSR. Mine is I believe one of the original models. I do not care as long as firmware continues to fix it. We all should Petition the studios to stop fooling around Or at leas program two versions of what they have at least just one the film without all the Java and other junk. It seems lately fox is the real culprit. Oppo had the problem with the Alien anthology. The extended cuts would not play on some units. I sold mine before the correction was released or if it has.
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post #7736 of 8421
12/2/10 at 4:25pm
Yeah - I've been fortunate that I haven't really had any compatibility issues to date, but I was hoping that by now it wouldn't be an ongoing issue. It makes me a bit nervous that Pioneer basically gets to decide when this player is obsolete (as soon as they decide to quit providing firmware updates) but I guess that's the game now with BluRay/Java.. I like this unit a lot, but the chances of me spending that kind of $$ on a media player again are very slim.
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post #7737 of 8421
12/3/10 at 4:02am
If you want the new firmware 270 you can go to the Pioneer EU web site and download. As always do at your own risk.
http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/support/so...X91/index.html
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post #7738 of 8421
12/3/10 at 4:57am
I did download it but have not made the cd or tried as I can still return my player if the issues for some reason are not firmware related so I do not want to risk it. I am going to call today and order a disc and if the download over the net becomes avail before it arrives I will update than. Thanks for the info.
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post #7739 of 8421
12/3/10 at 5:16am
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

If you want the new firmware v2.70 you can go to the Pioneer EU web site and download. As always do at your own risk.
http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/support/so...X91/index.html

http://www.avforums.com/forums/blu-r...-pt-ii-25.html

There's quite a bit of chatter about issues with "new firmware" for the BDP-LX91 (the region B version of the BDP-09FD) on a UK owners' forum beginning at or near page 25. Unfortunately, forum members don't always explicitly state the firmware version numbers (which everyone always should) which are causing and/or correcting problems.

Based upon all this, I'm not sure I'll ever install any firmware labeled v2.70. After installing v2.69a early on in November, I'm still facing some specific "CANT PLAY" and UNKNOWNDISC" issues I'm still hoping to see resolved in firmware.
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post #7740 of 8421
12/3/10 at 6:51am
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Originally Posted by cbono View Post

http://www.avforums.com/forums/blu-r...-pt-ii-25.html

There's quite a bit of chatter about issues with "new firmware" for the BDP-LX91 (the region B version of the BDP-09FD) on a UK owners' forum beginning at or near page 25. Unfortunately, forum members don't always explicitly state the firmware version numbers (which everyone always should) which are causing and/or correcting problems.

Based upon all this, I'm not sure I'll ever install any firmware labeled v2.70. After installing v2.69a early on in November, I'm still facing some specific "CANT PLAY" and UNKNOWNDISC" issues I'm still hoping to see resolved in firmware.

If I read correctly the one had a problem and did factory reset and reloaded and it worked. This was v2.70 The only reason I will do this is when I get a cd from Pioneer or download over net from Pio USA is I want to be definaately sure is is firmware issue with my 09 and not an internal one. If firmware is only issue than I can live with that. All the players have firmware issues even the oppos.
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