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post #7771 of 8421
12/23/10 at 11:09pm
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...ayers/BDP-09FD

The link is "complete" again as of 1/1/11, but the firmware available is v2.69a and the page is still not linked to the Elite BD players ...

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...y-Disc-Players
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post #7772 of 8421
12/25/10 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by Solo_NZ View Post

Well I took my "unable to start" 09 into the Pioneer importers last week, to see if they could sort out what was wrong, and they told me the parts would be too expensive, and take too long to arrive from Japan, so they gave me a brand new unit! :-)

They didn't say what parts, but it is nice dealing with a company that even though it was outside warranty, will replace a unit with a problem like that.

It would be better not to have the problem in the first place, but this is CE, so you're always going to have some units with problems!

Anyway, just thought I'd let everyone know the good news... Thanks Pioneer for standing behind your products! :-)

Back to the movies for me!

Hello there,

Glad you story had a great ending. Did it arrive like that? When I tried to do an update on my BDP-09 (Manuf. Nov.2008) I inserted a CD or DVD Recordable that had not been initialized. I believe this cause quite an error. From that point on the unit was unable to start - pretty much a dead stick. It was serveral weeks in service. When I inquired to the POC service manager (POC - Pioneer of Canada) he explained that a processing board ordered from Japan had gone bad and it was cheaper to replace than repair. (the board). He said that board itself in parts is on of the most expensive on the parts list. Sorry don't have any reference to what it was.

I am not sure if any update from that point on (2.65) addressed this (easily repeated mistake) but I thought I would chime in to this segue as a forewarning to those choosing to update via disc.

Btw. Last I heard, Canada's last stock of BDP-09s were sold mid December.
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post #7773 of 8421
12/25/10 at 4:30pm
Hello and Happy Holidays from Toronto,

I had Michael Chen of Lion AV calibrate my BDP-09 weeks after I purchased it and since had done this to the direct input on my Elite 101 (Out SUB) and to my SC-27 (Out HDMI Main).

I have enjoyed great viewing pleasure on many SD and BD titles and satisfactory results on HD via local Cable STB. (Cisco SA 8642)

Only recently however, my critical eyes are picking up bloched darker areas espically on face shots (Titles include - PREDATORS, INCEPTION, ... all 5 Star HD Video grade BDs)

I have two other very capable HDTVs available but would prefer to inquire if anyone else has experienced problems similar.

Cables are Ultralink Platinum (PLS read note below)
BDP-09 Firmware 2.65
Elite Pro FD 101 using HDMI :
Input 5 (SC-27 Output 2)
Input 8 (BD-09 Direct)

THESE ARE SETTINGS FOR PIONEER KURO ELITE PRO 101
I have ISF DAY, NIGHT and AUTO and usually use PURE on these settings
Contrast - +40
Brightness - +3
Colour +7
Tint (GREEN 1)
Sharpness -8
Gamma 1
Pro Adjust ( ALL OFF but Film(Standard), Enhancer 2(Natural)
(White Bal : with R high -10, G High 0, B High -1, R Low-1, G-Low 0 B Low -1)





NOTE: this is no taunt to start a cable argument please. I have others I can use and will. Just listing the facts. This particular cable is identical to its Ultralink XLO brethren product at 3x price (HTPHD - of XLO's HTPro) and has
never cause any problems. I am using Lenghts 3m, 3m and 1m (BD to AVR)

http://www.ultralinkcables.com/?#/products/platinum/
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post #7774 of 8421
12/25/10 at 10:14pm
Boys,

I've purchased a Pioneer SC-37 and would like to keep the look of my gear consistent and take advantage of the jitter reduction circuitry. I've currently got a Denon 3800BDCi and don't want to replace it with something inferior (especially on the analog side). That pretty much leaves me only one choice - the 09FD.

So - if you have one you are willing to part with, I am willing to pay you a very fair price. PM me...

Bert
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post #7775 of 8421
12/26/10 at 4:15am
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Originally Posted by dazzerxxx View Post

jvbdigital.com (jvbdigital.nl) and stegen.com provide region free mods for the LX91/09FD or you can purchase the player with mod fitted.

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Can these units utilize the firmware updates from Pioneer? Can the units only use updates for LX91 only or will 09 firmware work the same?
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post #7776 of 8421
12/26/10 at 4:22am
Sharp To Launch Brand New LED & LCD TV Technology
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post #7777 of 8421
12/26/10 at 6:00am
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Originally Posted by caryw View Post
Hello and Happy Holidays from Toronto,

I had Michael Chen of Lion AV calibrate my BDP-09 weeks after I purchased it and since had done this to the direct input on my Elite 101 (Out SUB) and to my SC-27 (Out HDMI Main).

I have enjoyed great viewing pleasure on many SD and BD titles and satisfactory results on HD via local Cable STB. (Cisco SA 8642)

Only recently however, my critical eyes are picking up bloched darker areas espically on face shots (Titles include - PREDATORS, INCEPTION, ... all 5 Star HD Video grade BDs)

I have two other very capable HDTVs available but would prefer to inquire if anyone else has experienced problems similar.

Cables are Ultralink Platinum (PLS read note below)
BDP-09 Firmware 2.65
Elite Pro FD 101 using HDMI :
Input 5 (SC-27 Output 2)
Input 8 (BD-09 Direct)

THESE ARE SETTINGS FOR PIONEER KURO ELITE PRO 101
I have ISF DAY, NIGHT and AUTO and usually use PURE on these settings
Contrast - +40
Brightness - +3
Colour +7
Tint (GREEN 1)
Sharpness -8
Gamma 1
Pro Adjust ( ALL OFF but Film(Standard), Enhancer 2(Natural)
(White Bal : with R high -10, G High 0, B High -1, R Low-1, G-Low 0 B Low -1)





NOTE: this is no taunt to start a cable argument please. I have others I can use and will. Just listing the facts. This particular cable is identical to its Ultralink XLO brethren product at 3x price (HTPHD - of XLO's HTPro) and has
never cause any problems. I am using Lenghts 3m, 3m and 1m (BD to AVR)

http://www.ultralinkcables.com/?#/products/platinum/
Did you check black levels on a test disc to confirm? Or are your complaints purely subjective?

Check this first. If blacks are indeed being crushed, move your contrast 1 notch up or down form the default '0' in your player. Many times a default ('0') contrast in the player will cause blacks to clip.
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post #7778 of 8421
12/28/10 at 9:13am
Thread Starter 
My favorite "thing" with the 09FD was its Dual HDMI outs. How can Pioneer release new 3D players without it these days? At least their new 43FD (499.00) should have them. Talk about shooting and missing... Geez...

Maybe they have some super "Flagship" model coming soon...?
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post #7779 of 8421
12/28/10 at 1:11pm
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Maybe they have some super "Flagship" model coming soon...?

are you kidding, Joe?

Who cares about another $2000 non-universal player or even another Pioneer player at all?

Oppo is about to clean Pioneer's clock at $499 for the 93 & $980 for the audiophile 95

Since both Oppo's use the Qdeo chip and the 95's ESS DAC's seriously outperform the 09's older 8740 Wolfsons, with a separate toroidal power supply and jitter reduction technology built right into the DAC that doesn't force you to buy a Pioneer receiver to use it, there is no reason to buy the new Pioneer players.

They could have remained relevant but not with cheapened, rebadged Sharp players. Too little, too late.

Plus both Oppo's are true universal players, something Pioneer deliberately left out & missed the boat on yrs ago!

But we do have our 35 lb chassis' and that's a comfort

Jeff Bland was right.....
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post #7780 of 8421
12/28/10 at 1:37pm
2.70 Firmware

I just ordered the latest FW disc online - website says 3 to 4 weeks to deliver but customer support person in Parts said 5 days!

The lady said they are having "issues" with the new website. No kidding!!!!

Good news is it does look much fresher, slicker design than the old one. Bad news is it doesn't work right yet.

She said they will continue to supply downloadable firmware on their website just not this week.
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post #7781 of 8421
12/28/10 at 1:37pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

are you kidding, Joe?

Who cares about another $2000 non-universal player or even another Pioneer player at all when Oppo is about to clean Pioneer's clock at $499 for the 93 & $980 for the 95

Since both Oppo's use the Qdeo chip and the audiophile 95 will have DAC's that outperform the 09's older 8740 Wolfsons, a separate toroidal power supply and non-proprietary jitter reduction technology built into the DAC that doesn't force you to buy a Pioneer receiver, there is no reason to buy a new Pioneer.

Plus both Oppo's are universal players, which Pioneer missed the boat on yrs ago.

Well, we do have a 35 lb chassis and that's a comfort

Jeff Bland was right.....

I have been beta testing the 93 and it is THE player to get. Who would even want the new 43FD at the same price? Unless you wanted to match your Pioneer receiver. And yes, The Bland was right all along...
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post #7782 of 8421
12/28/10 at 7:07pm
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Originally Posted by ss9001

are you kidding, Joe?

Who cares about another $2000 non-universal player or even another Pioneer player at all?

Oppo is about to clean Pioneer's clock at $499 for the 93 & $980 for the audiophile 95

Since both Oppo's use the Qdeo chip and the 95's ESS DAC's seriously outperform the 09's older 8740 Wolfsons, with a separate toroidal power supply and jitter reduction technology built right into the DAC that doesn't force you to buy a Pioneer receiver to use it, there is no reason to buy the new Pioneer players.

They could have remained relevant but not with cheapened, rebadged Sharp players. Too little, too late.

Plus both Oppo's are true universal players, something Pioneer deliberately left out & missed the boat on yrs ago!

But we do have our 35 lb chassis' and that's a comfort

Jeff Bland was right.....
Interesting. I've held off buying a high-end BD player as when I tested the Cambridge Audio 650BD it wasnt much different to my Pana BD recorder. I'll be very keen to check out the Oppo top model.
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post #7783 of 8421
12/28/10 at 7:45pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by damienbuckley View Post
Interesting. I've held off buying a high-end BD player as when I tested the Cambridge Audio 650BD it wasnt much different to my Pana BD recorder. I'll be very keen to check out the Oppo top model.
Great idea.
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post #7784 of 8421
1/4/11 at 10:53pm
Hey Guys,

First of all Happy New Year to all. I have just (Jan. 04, 2011) become a proud owner of the 09FD. Somehow, today was a better day than most. I will be hooking it up to my PRO-151FD. Can't wait!
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post #7785 of 8421
1/5/11 at 9:35am
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Originally Posted by caryw View Post

Hello there,

Glad you story had a great ending. Did it arrive like that? When I tried to do an update on my BDP-09 (Manuf. Nov.2008) I inserted a CD or DVD Recordable that had not been initialized. I believe this cause quite an error. From that point on the unit was unable to start - pretty much a dead stick. It was serveral weeks in service. When I inquired to the POC service manager (POC - Pioneer of Canada) he explained that a processing board ordered from Japan had gone bad and it was cheaper to replace than repair. (the board). He said that board itself in parts is on of the most expensive on the parts list. Sorry don't have any reference to what it was.

I am not sure if any update from that point on (2.65) addressed this (easily repeated mistake) but I thought I would chime in to this segue as a forewarning to those choosing to update via disc.

Btw. Last I heard, Canada's last stock of BDP-09s were sold mid December.
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Hi caryw,

No it didn't arrive like that, it ran perfectly for 14 months! Then half way through a Band of Brothers episode, just froze! :-(

Glad I have a new one and am back up and running, it was sad having an LX-91 sized hole in my rack!

Re updating, if someone has an internet connection available, I don't know why anyone would bother spending all that time downloading, burning discs with the chance of mucking it up. This thing is profile 2, just turn it on and go to the update menu and click start! Can't get any easier than that, and it works perfectly everytime!

Hope everything is happy in Blu Ray land for all. :-)
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post #7786 of 8421
1/5/11 at 9:54am
I just got the 2.70 firmware disc from Pioneer in the mail. It's dated 11-29-10 and still not posted on Pioneer's website.

Does this add the resume feature, by chance? If so, has it choked on any discs? I have 2.65 installed and have had no problems.
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post #7787 of 8421
1/5/11 at 5:25pm
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

I just got the 2.70 firmware disc from Pioneer in the mail. It's dated 11-29-10 and still not posted on Pioneer's website.

Does this add the resume feature, by chance? If so, has it choked on any discs? I have 2.65 installed and have had no problems.

Steve,

Some have posted erratic behavior when using the resume function introduced with the 3.70 firmware update on the 320/23FD thread.


Willie
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post #7788 of 8421
1/5/11 at 7:23pm
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

are you kidding, Joe?

Who cares about another $2000 non-universal player or even another Pioneer player at all?

Oppo is about to clean Pioneer's clock at $499 for the 93 & $980 for the audiophile 95

Since both Oppo's use the Qdeo chip and the 95's ESS DAC's seriously outperform the 09's older 8740 Wolfsons, with a separate toroidal power supply and jitter reduction technology built right into the DAC that doesn't force you to buy a Pioneer receiver to use it, there is no reason to buy the new Pioneer players.

They could have remained relevant but not with cheapened, rebadged Sharp players. Too little, too late.

Plus both Oppo's are true universal players, something Pioneer deliberately left out & missed the boat on yrs ago!

But we do have our 35 lb chassis' and that's a comfort

Jeff Bland was right.....

Tell these guys that are selling a $2500 Oppo.

http://nuforce.com/hi/products/sourc...95ne/index.php

Who would buy that crap?
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post #7789 of 8421
1/6/11 at 5:33pm
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Originally Posted by LaoChe View Post

Tell these guys that selling a $2500 Oppo.

http://nuforce.com/hi/products/sourc...95ne/index.php

Who would buy that crap?

LaoChe,

Unfortunately some will for an incremental improvement in my opinion, but it should be a very, very short line.


Willie
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post #7790 of 8421
1/6/11 at 5:50pm
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

LaoChe,

Unfortunately some will for an incremental improvement in my opinion, but it should be a very, very short line.


Willie

Yeah, well I hope they start an owners thread so we can all go over there and have some fun
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post #7791 of 8421
1/6/11 at 6:37pm
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Originally Posted by LL3HD View Post

Yeah, well I hope they start an owners thread so we can all go over there and have some fun

Yep. I'd love to chime in on how worthless it is and how they should only have bought the $499 Oppo. Apparently that adds a lot of value to threads. Now mind you, I will definitely not be an owner, but that won't stop me from posting my valuable information.
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post #7792 of 8421
1/6/11 at 9:32pm
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Originally Posted by LaoChe View Post

Yep. I'd love to chime in on how worthless it is and how they should only have bought the $499 Oppo. Apparently that adds a lot of value to threads. Now mind you, I will definitely not be an owner, but that won't stop me from posting my valuable information.

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post #7793 of 8421
1/7/11 at 1:38am
The merits, value and success of any AV component are best judged by the design, engineering, materials and production quality that goes into it. But, ultimately by the sound and picture it produces. As someone who remains dedicated to a 2 channel system (it's the 14000 LPs fault), I welcome any serious effort which may improve upon the sound of the films I watch. While I'm satisfied with all the 09FD does aurally in a high end 2 channel system, I'd like to believe it can be substantially bettered. When that happens for $2K or even $3K, my 09FD will be on the auction block and I'll be lining up for that next experience. I may be part of a niche market, but I'm not alone.
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post #7794 of 8421
1/7/11 at 3:19pm
So I am assuming by the quietness and lack of information from Pioneer at CES, I guess once again Pioneer has nothing to show in terms of Blu-ray? This will be the 2nd year in row! The 41FD/43FD were shown at CEDIA back in September, so if they decided to show those again at CES they would not be new. I was really hoping for a replacement 09FD that was a true Pioneer player, not the rebadged Sharp junk. I guess it really is over for a true Pioneer Blu-ray player!
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post #7795 of 8421
1/7/11 at 4:27pm
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Originally Posted by HTMan34 View Post
So I am assuming by the quietness and lack of information from Pioneer at CES, I guess once again Pioneer has nothing to show in terms of Blu-ray? This will be the 2nd year in row! The 41FD/43FD were shown at CEDIA back in September, so if they decided to show those again at CES they would not be new. I was really hoping for a replacement 09FD that was a true Pioneer player, not the rebadged Sharp junk. I guess it really is over for a true Pioneer Blu-ray player!
I think Pioneer made that clear with various shutdowns of business units and their statements regarding a focus on OEM automotive markets sometime ago in 2009.

Here's one article and there's more if you goggle: http://www.autoblog.com/2009/04/30/r...r-electronics/

What's left of Pioneer Electronics at the retail consumer level is low risk, low cost product. From my view, the 09 was DOA the day it came out.

Really very sad as they have always been a manufacture that you could count on for quality and reliability. Somewhere in my basement is a Pioneer integrated amplifier that I bought in 1970. It still works.

EDIT: An interview with Chris Walker: http://wn.com/Pioneer_Electronics Click on number 9 video.
In the interview, Chris says that they gave the engineers a "bucket of money" to build what they want, the 09. I doubt that will be happening again anytime soon.
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post #7796 of 8421
1/8/11 at 3:23am
The 09 player was, when it came out, a very good choice for anyone who wanted superior analog output and excellent video. I haven't found this to not be the case even after almost 2 years of ownership. I do not regret its purchase. Then, the big comparisons seemed to be between the 09, Denon's 3800 and the Sony ES5000.

But it must be said that, if I were starting from scratch now, and having more experience with the relentless upward tick of the industry, I'd probably be looking at the newest Oppos first rather than an 09 if it were new and as is. But it would still come down to which one I thought was better for my needs, as my priorities have not changed. Since I don't need a universal player, that advantage for the Oppos would be wiped out, as would be audio streaming in my analog system. As mentioned in other posts, I own both an 09 and an Oppo 83; I find the 09 to be the superior player. However, both these are 2 years old and the industry has moved on. But I'll still go with the basics: who gives me the best sound and picture?
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post #7797 of 8421
1/8/11 at 6:12am
I don't want to start an argument, but the only thing the 09 had over the 05/51 that really made a difference was the Marvell chip and that benefit was for SD DVD. Oppo is now offering the second generation of that chip in a machine that's less than 25% of the MSRP of the 09. I'm not selling the Oppo, only pointing out the price difference comparing that part of the hardware (a key piece of hardware) being present in both machines.

The "superior" analog of the 09 is nothing more than an embellishment of the 05/51. Yes, yes, the 09 has double the DAC's wired in dual differential mode etc... This was worth a 3dB S/N difference, 117dB 05/51 vs 120dB 09. You can measure this difference on the bench but I would deify you to hear the difference in use between the three machines. The other simple fact is there is a 99% plus chance that your AVR or pre-pro amplifier combination has a S/N ratio that is not as good. In other words, your AVR or pre-pro amp will mask the analog benefit of any of these machines. Take a look at S/N number for your AVR etc.

The 09 probably seemed like a good idea at some point if you're thinking analog or have analog thinking. From my view, considering the price of the 09, I think your money is/was far and away better spent on a new high quality AVR or pre-pro with HDMI and room correction. An investment in a new AVR or pre-pro with room correction would have much more impact on sound quality than the addition of a Toroidal Transformer, 8 Wolfson Audio DACS running in Dual Differential mode, and the 30 pounds of exceptional build quality that the 09 gives you.
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post #7798 of 8421
1/8/11 at 6:43am
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Originally Posted by b curry View Post

I don't want to start an argument, but the only thing the 09 had over the 05/51 that really made a difference was the Marvell chip and that benefit was for SD DVD. Oppo is now offering the second generation of that chip in a machine that's less than 25% of the MSRP of the 09. I'm not selling the Oppo, only pointing out the price difference comparing that part of the hardware (a key piece of hardware) being present in both machines.

The "superior" analog of the 09 is nothing more than an embellishment of the 05/51. Yes, yes, the 09 has double the DAC's wired in dual differential mode etc... This was worth a 3dB S/N difference, 117dB 05/51 vs 120dB 09. You can measure this difference on the bench but I would deify you to hear the difference in use between the three machines. The other simple fact is there is a 99% plus chance that your AVR or pre-pro amplifier combination has a S/N ratio that is not as good. In other words, your AVR or pre-pro amp will mask the analog benefit of any of these machines. Take a look at S/N number for your AVR etc.

The 09 probably seemed like a good idea at some point if you're thinking analog or have analog thinking. From my view, considering the price of the 09, I think your money is/was far and away better spent on a new high quality AVR or pre-pro with HDMI and room correction. An investment in a new AVR or pre-pro with room correction would have much more impact on sound quality than the addition of a Toroidal Transformer, 8 Wolfson Audio DACS running in Dual Differential mode, and the 30 pounds of exceptional build quality that the 09 gives you.

+1.

I made a similar admission in the Denon 3800 thread a few days ago. At the time of release, these were great players. No regrets on my purchase 3 years ago. I still use mine (though I do have an Oppo BDP-83).

However, the newer BD player models are far better faster and cheaper. I, too, have recommended to avoid the 3800 and an '09 unless it can be had for under $400... and then, still, I'd likely not buy it. Reliability is yet another issue, these older players seem to have more laser failures than any of the newer models... and if that happens, may as well throw it away.
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post #7799 of 8421
1/8/11 at 7:39am
No arguments here, b curry, don't worry. I was really just throwing out some thoughts. But for my needs, setup, and perspective, the 09 was a good buy. I'm probably one of the more old-fashioned, basic people around here, perhaps because I'm rooted in 2-channel/analog, so my criteria may not be the same as others. And it was because it's an excellent DVD player with great sound that I bought it. I will likely never have as many BDs as DVDs (which I continue to buy). Like thebland with his 3800, I have no regrets on my 09. Newer players may well best both in some areas, but for now it doesn't matter. To me, that is.

But if I were starting from scratch I admit I probably wouldn't buy another 09, unless construction quality or perceived performance of the other contenders was lacking.
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post #7800 of 8421
1/8/11 at 8:10am
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

...I'm rooted in 2-channel/analog...

Me too! That's probably why I see the BDP-09 as smoke and mirrors.

I think the 05/51 was a good platform. However, they clearly were released before firmware was ready. Unfortunately, they were behind the curve for speed also, including the 09 here. IMO the value was the 51. It gave you 99.8% of the 05 and 99% of the 09. People that bought the 51 for $150.00 were the clear winners.
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