The Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD Owner's Thread... - Page 262

Originally Posted by LaoChe

Are you using analog or HDMI?

Originally Posted by williamtassone

anyone else noticed "pop" noises watching Bridge On The RIver Kwai. 2.71 FW hasnt fixed it

Originally Posted by williamtassone

it happens over multichannel analog out , over coaxial and over HDMI

its not my marantz receiver because i dont get the pops with the Oppo

Not as loud as the DTS bitstreaming bomb but enough to take u out of the film

Originally Posted by stevethx

Hi
After just about giving up all hope of sorting my LX-91 out,it finally managed to make its way back to Pioneer,where they changed the drive assembly.

Well shes back in business,better than new,loads faster and after 20 or so discs,has not refused to play any BD's I've thrown at it,including a few titles that originally would not even look at since it was new.BTW I have the Stegen multi zone kit installed which still works perfect.

Now while I had the LX-91 away,I had the OPPO 93 in the system.

I'll start by saying that value for money the OPPO is a great player,what it has over the LX-91 is faster loading times,subtitle shift for CIH,and that's about where it ends,also 3D capable if that's your thing.

It might have 3D picture,but the sound is definitely 2D.Compared to the LX-91 it sounds flat across the front soundstage,there's no width or depth to the sound and it sounds harsh,bright and metallic,especially when pushed to high volume levels.

I found the sound terrible and could not even sit through a full movie sometimes.

In comparison the 91 draws you into the movie,with a huge natural,smooth and dynamic soundstage.

I only run the HDMI cable for DTS-MA and Dolby TrueHD,so apples for apples and yes I did have the OPPO configuired correctly.As a matter of fact I triple checked as the sound was that bad,I thought it was setup wrong.

So at the moment I couldn't be happier that the 91 is back in the system,for how long,who knows.Maybe the OPPO 95 will offer up a better sound,maybe the nu-force mods might improve it somewhat.I should be trying a 95 soon,so we'll see how it compares.

Please note that this post is not intended to flame the OPPO 93,as I said bang for buck it is a good value,but it's not all that.

System in use-Meridian 568.2,Meridian HD 621,2 x Meridian 558's,M&K S-150thx 7.1 system,all cabling is Kimber.Most power cables Shunyata.

Cheer's Steve

Originally Posted by a_ok2me

Just to append to people having problems with prior firmware;

I put in Prince of Persia and got these messages "CAN'T PLAY" + "UNKNOWNDISC". I have this problem with firmware 2.70 and just updated to 2.71 and still have the problem. I also unplugged the unit for a few minutes. I'm not going to bother doing a factory reset.

Actually, I've had a few issues with Blockbuster Online rental discs freezing on certain chapters since upgrading to 2.70. I'm leaning towards the disc or firmware as the issue for these problems.

Also, there is a crater on this particular disc. I'm not sure if this is the problem in this situation.

Originally Posted by pawel8

My Elite player is in service for one month and customer service has no clue when it will be ready.

Originally Posted by williamtassone

anyone else noticed "pop" noises watching Bridge On The RIver Kwai. 2.71 FW hasnt fixed it

Originally Posted by prepress

Blu-ray or DVD?

Originally Posted by ss9001

I'm sure he means the BD. It popped on me with the BDP-09 and SC-09 AVR. I even changed from bitstream to having the 09 player decode to PCM, didn't stop the random pops. It's something involving how Pioneer decodes DTS-MA not compatible with how the BD is mastered.

And Bridge is the only BD I've played so far with this problem out of hundreds I own.

Originally Posted by mgfred

I had my cat vomit on it while I was not home and it blew out two power supply boards.

Originally Posted by Maarten1

How is this player compared to other players in the same class?

Will pioneer introduce a new flagship blu-ray player soon? This one has been out for some years now and i dont know if it can still keep up with the newer players.

I want to upgrade my lx70 and i dont know if its smart to get this lx91 or wait for a newer model.

Ive tried the denon 4010 but i dont like the sound. Pioneer has more clear sound in my opinion.

Originally Posted by HTMan34

This player is still the best player overall made to date, of course unless you are concerned about having the fastest load times. A

Originally Posted by thebland

Not if you are HDMI for audio and video! Then look elsewhere.

Lossless bitstream over HDMI and 1080P24 video over HDMI, the best way to have audio and video today, is not 'enhanced' by this player (or any other for that matter). If using HDMI, this player is in the middle of the pack (as well as slow). Moreover, Pioneer does not have the greatest track record for players that play all discs...

If you have a 1080i set and / or are using the players 7.1 analog outs, then, yes, it is a very good player. Analog is this players only strength - all else, it is far behind the times (but 2 HDMI outs are convenient in some theaters.

If using HDMI, this player is in the middle of the pack (as well as slow).

Originally Posted by LaoChe

You are so freakin' annoying. Funny how you don't go parroting this crap on the Ayre DX-5 thread. They make all kind of outlandish claims yet you don't seem to chime in regularly there with your "HDMI is all the same" comment. And this is a player 5x more expensive than Pioneer's 09FD. Weird. Maybe you have some kind of agenda?

Instead of worrying about this thread, you should spend more time in the Oppo 95 thread. They seems to be having quite a few issues with their $1000 BD player. You may want to throw in the your 'ol "any player over $500 is a waste" comment. You may also want to throw in your 'ol "players shouldn't need firmware update to play BDs" comment for good measure. I'm sure they'll appreciate those helpful and informative posts from you.



Sure it is...Sure it is...


For the new member that don't now "thebland," he does not own this player.

Originally Posted by LaoChe

......you should spend more time in the Oppo 95 thread. They seems to be having quite a few issues with their $1000 BD player.

Originally Posted by thebland

Since when does owning a player make one an authority on the technology? Cognitive dissonance at its best as there are far better and more reliable players for far less money. I have experience with this player and spent much time with Chris Walker (Pioneer) with this player (at CEDIA years back at it's introduction). This player was introduced at a time when there were many hold outs from HDMI. The analog stage on this player is first class... just like the Ayre.

But if you are HDMI, the many no play discs, the many firmware updates, drive failures and the fact that bitstreamed (packed) lossless audio is identical in all players with HDMI as well as a 1080P24 video signal, then you have very little need for this old player.

Tell me exactly how the audio and video is better through HDMI on your player? Be objective, not subjective (e.g is sounds more open, etc and that sort of garbage).

Originally Posted by prepress

Based upon this and my previous post I have an idea, though I'm not sure I'll actually do it. It may be interesting to configure the 09's second HDMI to output audio and video and compare it with the Oppo 83 when it comes back from repair. This has nothing to do with resolving the "bits is bits" debate but with my own curiosity, assuming it becomes strong enough to actually make the time for a comparison. And though this will be going through my Kuro's sound system (very good for a TV) and not a full-blown HT system, maybe there will be something noticeably different, maybe not. Normally I'm not that interested in such things and don't have the time. But who knows?

Originally Posted by thebland

It wouldn't mean much to others if you did. It would be system dependent. Likely both will look excellent.

^^^I have 3 Blu Ray players in the rack with a reference SIM2 Lumis HOST projector and ISCO anamorphocs. They all look great..108024 is a good thing. With the advent of HDMI and no need for scaling (if you have 1080P monitor), reliability and features have superseded PQ variances between players. Those were the analog days. Today we simply lift the native res off the disc and pipe it directly to the monitor. All players do it well. the 09 is a decent player if msrp was in the $400 range. It is easily bested by newer, faster players. ^^^

Technology moves fast... So, it's really no surprise (I too have $2000 into my old Denon 3800 - it was the best thing for a year or so but like the 09, it is bottom of the heap relative to the newer $500 - $1000 players.