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post #7981 of 8566
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

Thank you guys, I think you have cleared up some misconceptions I may have had.
If I still want to buy any older player in the high-end, it will have to be in the price range that you mention....that is if I want to gamble.
One older player that can be bought quite cheaply is the Toshiba HD XA2 that has a great rep for up converting SD DVD's.
But after reading your posts I think I am chasing after something that may not be there.
Thanks for your insights.

One thing that I do is be sure of what I want, then do research. When satisfied, I make a decision. Since analog audio, build quality, and good DVD playback were essential to me, I went for the 09. I also wanted a player that was close in quality as a secondary player and got the Oppo 83. I use both, but for different functions.

I approach all my equipment purchases this way. It takes longer, but I've had no regrets or buyer's remorse after. I agree, by the way, that if you go for an older player new is best if you can find it. Know what you want, research the contenders, narrow it down and then get the one which you think will best suit your situation is my 2 cents.
post #7982 of 8566
I would like a secondary player for my Oppo 93 and I would really like to pick up a Pioneer 09 or a Denon 3800ci but i can't find a anything new. I did find a Denon refurbished Denon 3800ci with a 1 year warranty. It goes for about 1/4 the price of the original MSRP.
post #7983 of 8566
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

I would like a secondary player for my Oppo 93 and I would really like to pick up a Pioneer 09 or a Denon 3800ci but i can't find a anything new. I did find a Denon refurbished Denon 3800ci with a 1 year warranty. It goes for about 1/4 the price of the original MSRP.

Since you have a player in place, you can take your time and search. The 3800 deal doesn't sound bad, especially with the warranty. The 09, as an Elite player, has a 2-year warranty. If you can find factory-refurbished or new for the price you want with full warranty, that would be even better.
post #7984 of 8566
I was able to find a new Denon 5910ci for a low price. That should do me fine.
post #7985 of 8566
I bought the Denon 3800 for about $500.00 new at closeout about a year and half ago. It's my primary with a Pioneer 05 as backup. Use the analog to a Krell Processor. Love the 3800. Yes it's a little slow to load, but it has played every blu ray I have in my 300 disc collection with no problems. And that's without a Denon firmware update in two years. Also sounds great through my B&W 800 series speakers.


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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

I would like a secondary player for my Oppo 93 and I would really like to pick up a Pioneer 09 or a Denon 3800ci but i can't find a anything new. I did find a Denon refurbished Denon 3800ci with a 1 year warranty. It goes for about 1/4 the price of the original MSRP.
post #7986 of 8566
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Originally Posted by dealer6871 View Post

I bought the Denon 3800 for about $500.00 new at closeout about a year and half ago. It's my primary with a Pioneer 05 as backup. Use the analog to a Krell Processor. Love the 3800. Yes it's a little slow to load, but it has played every blu ray I have in my 300 disc collection with no problems. And that's without a Denon firmware update in two years. Also sounds great through my B&W 800 series speakers.

I have not be able to find a new Denon 3800, only a refurbished one from Dakmart who's customer service leaves much to be desired. I have yet to have them answer an email or return a phone call. I would love to find a Pioneer 09 new as well.
post #7987 of 8566
Good news! Pioneer is going to fix my BDP-09FD under warranty even though it's been slightly exceeded. Let you guys know how it works out. Let's hope I never see another "unknown disc" error again..........

Fred
post #7988 of 8566
I took in my BDP-09 4 weeks ago to Listen-Up in Denver because of disc errors. They sent it to Pioneer who replaced the drive for free. I have owned the player for 2.5 years. Great customer support. Listen-up on the other hand charged my $21 to ship it (no big deal) and a $50 labor charge (minimum labor).

Dave
post #7989 of 8566
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Originally Posted by mgfred View Post

Good news! Pioneer is going to fix my BDP-09FD under warranty even though it's been slightly exceeded. Let you guys know how it works out. Let's hope I never see another "unknown disc" error again..........

Fred

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Originally Posted by Old TIme Audio View Post

I took in my BDP-09 4 weeks ago to Listen-Up in Denver because of disc errors. They sent it to Pioneer who replaced the drive for free. I have owned the player for 2.5 years. Great customer support. Listen-up on the other hand charged my $21 to ship it (no big deal) and a $50 labor charge (minimum labor).

Dave

Would you say that you're heavy users of your players?
post #7990 of 8566
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

Would you say that you're heavy users of your players?

in 2.5 years I maybe watched 150 to 200 movies.

Dave
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

Would you say that you're heavy users of your players?

A few times a week normally, but I was using it a lot less the last 11 months because my receiver was in the shop. From the first time I got the "unknown disc" I would say I played maybe 20 BDs before the error was consistantly occuring.

Fred
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I have my Oppo 83 connected to my TV for those times I want to engage in "quickie" viewing and don't want to fire up the system. The 09 video goes to the TV, with audio going to the stereo via analog. This way the workload gets shared, so less wear and tear on both players. I don't use either heavily (as far as I'm concerned, anyway), and I still play mostly DVDs.
post #7993 of 8566
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

I have my Oppo 83 connected to my TV for those times I want to engage in "quickie" viewing and don't want to fire up the system. The 09 video goes to the TV, with audio going to the stereo via analog. This way the workload gets shared, so less wear and tear on both players. I don't use either heavily (as far as I'm concerned, anyway), and I still play mostly DVDs.

I understand what you are doing. I play mostly Blu-Ray and I really want the best quality The good news is that I don't use it for playing CDs any more, or at least very very rarely.

What I don't understand is this. I have had my Sony DVD player for 11 years, used it heavily and have never needed service. I would have thought that the BDP-09 was built better, maybe not

Dave
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Originally Posted by Old TIme Audio View Post

What I don't understand is this. I have had my Sony DVD player for 11 years, used it heavily and have never needed service. I would have thought that the BDP-09 was built better, maybe not

Dave

It seems, at least from this thread, that the only service problem with the 09 has been the drive....possibly a defective (or low MTBF) design issue with the drive....?
post #7995 of 8566
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Originally Posted by Old TIme Audio View Post

I understand what you are doing. I play mostly Blu-Ray and I really want the best quality The good news is that I don't use it for playing CDs any more, or at least very very rarely.

What I don't understand is this. I have had my Sony DVD player for 11 years, used it heavily and have never needed service. I would have thought that the BDP-09 was built better, maybe not

Dave

I get that one. I have a Pioneer laserdisc player that's never needed service and it was my only video source for 5 years. The one repair was due to water damage from a leak in my ceiling. It still works, though it doesn't get the workload it used to. Older Sony stuff is well-built; my previous XBR CRT TV was repaired once in 16 years; as far as I know it's still going strong with the person I gave it to 2 years ago.

rider makes a point about the drive mechanism perhaps not being as robust as the rest of the player. I haven't had any trouble with my 09 (which guarantees nothing), but others have from this thread, and the problem seems to be the same. I don't know what percentage of total owners are represented here, but enough have had the same issue to suggest there could be a drive issue with some players. Pioneer will surely fix it, so see what they say.
post #7996 of 8566
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

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rider makes a point about the drive mechanism perhaps not being as robust as the rest of the player. I haven't had any trouble with my 09 (which guarantees nothing), but others have from this thread, and the problem seems to be the same. I don't know what percentage of total owners are represented here, but enough have had the same issue to suggest there could be a drive issue with some players. Pioneer will surely fix it, so see what they say.

Bought one of the first BDP-LX91 (euro version) and the drive went bad after around 18 months and was replaced under warranty. It started with not recognizing BD-RE discs and later also "unknown disc""can't play this disc" with retail discs that played fine earlier.
post #7997 of 8566
I also have not had a problem with my 09. I used to have the Denon 3800 too. The Denon had a laser failure problem in most of the first batch of players (including mine). They acknowledged a bad run from the supplier and repaired or replaced the affected players under warranty. In the Denon case they knew exactly which serial numbers had or would have the problem at some point. It appears that the Pioneer failures are happening later for the most part.
post #7998 of 8566
Anyone have any issues with the "Just Go With It" Blu Ray? I get through all of the previews then it freezes and won't go to the home menu to play the movie. Plays fine on my OPPO 93.
post #7999 of 8566
The BDP-051 and BDP-05FD have the same issue... Looks like we need a new firmware update soon... Don't want to spoil your purchase but this movie REALLY sucked.... Maybe that's why it would not play....
post #8000 of 8566
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Originally Posted by bslep View Post

Anyone have any issues with the "Just Go With It" Blu Ray? I get through all of the previews then it freezes and won't go to the home menu to play the movie. Plays fine on my OPPO 93.

Yes. My 09 won't even load the bluray to get to the previews. I have the most recent FW update too. I put in the True Grit bluray in to see if it would play and it did flawlessly.

Has anyone else experienced this "cannot play this disc" error with the "Just Go With It" bluray?
post #8001 of 8566
It looks like it's a new anti-piracy java script with Sony/Columbia... I bet "Battle: Los Angeles" will have the same problem...
post #8002 of 8566
Does anyone know if it is possible to disable the BD live function on the 09 as it just takes so long to start a movie.
post #8003 of 8566
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Originally Posted by Bluedevilfan View Post

Yes. My 09 won't even load the bluray to get to the previews. I have the most recent FW update too. I put in the True Grit bluray in to see if it would play and it did flawlessly.

Has anyone else experienced this "cannot play this disc" error with the "Just Go With It" bluray?

It's not the disc......... It's the player... Check out the last 10 or so pages, mine is being repaired for this issue, there are other owners as well that have had to have the drive replaced as well.

Mine started off with just one disc, couple months later it would not play any BD's.

Fred
post #8004 of 8566
Have any BDP-09FD or BDP-LX91 owners successfully played the Just Go With It (2011) and/or Battle: Los Angeles (2011) BDs?
post #8005 of 8566
Mine has played Battle: Los Angeles with o problem at all. I ha the latest software installed!
post #8006 of 8566
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Originally Posted by cbono View Post

Have any BDP-09FD or BDP-LX91 owners successfully played the Just Go With It (2011) and/or Battle: Los Angeles (2011) BDs?

I got both of them in the mail from Blockbuster yesterday. "Just go with it" played but "can't play disc" came up for Battle LA. I sent it back today requesting another one but I doubt that it will work. I have the latest software BTW.
post #8007 of 8566
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Originally Posted by LL3HD View Post

I got both of them in the mail from Blockbuster yesterday. "Just go with it" played but "can't play disc" came up for Battle LA. I sent it back today requesting another one but I doubt that it will work. I have the latest software BTW.

The "cannot play disc" followed by "unknown disc" was the begining of a drive failure for me. Some discs would play if I loaded it multiple times, at the end it would work like one out of 20 times, some discs never loaded. So don't be surprised if your drive is on the way out....

On another note, my factory repair was completed today, I should have the player back on Tuesday.

Fred
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Originally Posted by fabris40 View Post

Mine has played Battle: Los Angeles with o problem at all. I ha the latest software installed!

Confirmed. The retail version of "Battle: Los Angeles" BD plays perfectly on my 09FD. LL3HD, it is either a sign of your drive going out, or a problem with the version of the movie Netflix may be using. Or just a bad disc.

Oh, and I have the latest firmware loaded on my player.
post #8009 of 8566
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Originally Posted by LaoChe View Post

Confirmed. The retail version of "Battle: Los Angeles" BD plays perfectly on my 09FD. LL3HD, it is either a sign of your drive going out, or a problem with the version of the movie Netflix may be using. Or just a bad disc.

Oh, and I have the latest firmware loaded on my player.

I got the replacement for Battle LA from BB and it worked perfectly. I guess me getting a bum copy when the question was posted was a coincidence.
post #8010 of 8566
I received my BDP-09FD back late yesterday from Pioneer, the Main Assy and BD/DVD/CD drive were replaced. I looked up the price of those two parts and WOW!!!

I've asked Pioneer if there's a known issue that is causing the drives to fail, with the parts costing over $1100 it's a scary issue.......

Fred
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