Originally Posted by Jim Parys
Can someone tell me if I would get better multi-channel sound by connecting my 09 via the multi-channel analog outs to my Yamaha RX-Z11 or going HDMI and using the Yamaha DA converters?
Not being familiar with the Z11 I did a little checking out of it and it looks like a fantastic flagship receiver! Whether to use the analogs is a personal decision on what you think sounds best, but there's some things that would incline me to use the analogs if my VSX-59TXi could do HDMI and decode the HD formats (which it doesn't).
1) The BDP-09FD has 8 DACs, one for each channel of sound. In purchasing the 09 you really are paying for it's internal audio processing. There were great options around half the price of the 09 without the internal decoding. I bought the 09 for the decoding which my non-HDMI receiver could not decode.
2) The Yamaha Z11 is 2007 technology. I briefly looked online to see if it was mentioned anywhere what internal DACs it has and could not find out which ones they use. The 09 is 2009 technology and I would presume has better DACs and certainly more of them.
I choose to let my receiver reprocess the analog signals and apply MCACC and THX Ultra2 processing to them. That's really because I am too lazy to setup the speaker distances and + - db's on the player.
Try it out though, I think the player does a great job of decoding and don't mind applying a little more volume to use the analog outs.
After researching a little more I found the Z11 uses the Burr Brown PCM1796 DACs. and the BDP-09FD uses the Wolfson 8740 DACs. Now on Pioneer's SC-09TX Flagshiip receiver they used Wolfson 8741 DACs. With a $2200 BDP-09FD purchase price they could have afforded the 8741 DACs easily. However they would just be wasted since there's not any multichannel processing being done. Each DAC does just one channel. Something nice to test out after you connect up the analogs would be "Moody Blues at the Greek Theater" BD. It's pleasant and is a great first experiance for using your analog outputs!
Found a great PDF for your receiver at the Yamaha Z11 page. You have 7 DACS in your receiver, 5 are dedicated to the normal 7.1 (or 7.2) channels, the other 2 are for the 4 presence channels. There's probably not that much difference between what your receiver will decode and what the 09 will decode. It's worth checking out though. The Z11 looks like a fantastic receiver, I've always liked Yamaha products. My second receiver was a Yamaha CR-600, had it for 12 years. Years later it was working great for the guy I sold it to.