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post #8221 of 8564
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Originally Posted by Jon S View Post

it's likely the red laser is misaligned a tad...

Outside of replacing the drive is there anything that can be done?

Also thanks for taking the time to read and reply Jon, I appreciate.
post #8222 of 8564
Great... I spend some time searching the thread and unknown disc CDs gives me my post...
post #8223 of 8564
Well, I eventually got the infamous "unknown disc" error. Thankfully, the 3-year warranty was still valid and Pioneer Canada repaired and returned the unit inside of a week. So far they have replaced: power supply, main motherboard, onboard 4Gb Flash memory, and now the transport assembly. I think the only original parts left are the chassis and the power cord...

It's been a very disappointing experience owning this machine. I really regret this purchase despite the amazing service I've gotten from Pioneer. Cumulatively, it's been out-of-service/in the shop for 5-6 months, and I have only managed to use it continuously for 11 months before this latest problem.

In the meantime I've bought an Oppo BDP-95, based on opinions here and elsewhere, which seems to be every inch the audio and video machine the BDP-09FD is at 1/2 the price. The latter is now relegated to the master bedroom.
post #8224 of 8564
If my BDP-09FD gives up the ghost in the near future I'll likely be replacing it with a Oppo BDP-95.

I'm curious to hear from anyone who has direct experience comparing the audio performance of these units in the same dedicated 2 channel analog system.

Is there anything else out there besides the Oppo BDP-95 which might approach the BDP-09FD's 2 channel analog audio capabailities for BD and/or DVD?
post #8225 of 8564
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Originally Posted by cbono View Post

If my BDP-09FD gives up the ghost in the near future I'll likely be replacing it with a Oppo BDP-95.
I'm curious to hear from anyone who has direct experience comparing the audio performance of these units in the same dedicated 2 channel analog system.
Is there anything else out there besides the Oppo BDP-95 which might approach the BDP-09FD's 2 channel analog audio capabailities for BD and/or DVD?

While I don't have direct experience with them, Cambridge Audio's players (650BD and Azur 751BD) have gotten good reviews and are in the 95's general ballpark price-wise; actually, the 650 is less expensive. The 751 uses upsampling audio tech from the company's well-regarded 840C CD player.
post #8226 of 8564
Pioneer has restructured their website. The link to the BDP-09FD's firmware has evidently moved ...

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Blu-ray-Disc/Elite-Blu-ray-Disc-Players/BDP-09FD?tab=firmware
post #8227 of 8564
I don't get it: it's been that way for the last year or two.
post #8228 of 8564
I recently re-configured my setup and am now running HDMI Main to my Audio processor, and HDMI sub to my video processor. I am unable to to select HDMI High- Speed Transmission or select HDMI color space under HDMI Sub. I am able to select these setup items under HDMI Main. Am I missing something? I am using HDMI Main to allow HD Audio Codecs and just for audio, and I am using HDMI sub only for Video.
post #8229 of 8564
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Originally Posted by a_ok2me View Post

I don't get it: it's been that way for the last year or two.

Maybe it's just me, but I had to update my 09FD bookmark because the URL recently changed between "http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/..." and ".../BDP-09FD?tab=firmware"
post #8230 of 8564
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Originally Posted by LJG View Post

I recently re-configured my setup and am now running HDMI Main to my Audio processor, and HDMI sub to my video processor. I am unable to to select HDMI High- Speed Transmission or select HDMI color space under HDMI Sub. I am able to select these setup items under HDMI Main. Am I missing something? I am using HDMI Main to allow HD Audio Codecs and just for audio, and I am using HDMI sub only for Video.

Try running HDMI Main to your video processor and HDMI Sub to your audio processor. The sub HDMI is designed to be used for audio.
post #8231 of 8564
My BDP-09FD has been experiencing the same "unknown disc" / "can't read disc" issues for some time. Now it's finally gotten to the point where it cannot play any blu-ray, new or old. Guess I'm due for the same drive & main assembly board overhaul others have had to get done. Can you (or anyone) give me a ballpark idea of what Pioneer will charge for this out-of-warranty work? I'm in Hawaii, so packing this monster up and shipping it back and forth isn't exactly inexpensive. Are we talking $200, or $600, or what? I've loved the unit up until now -- great PQ and AQ -- but at some point it probably makes more economic sense to go with something newer. Thanks!
post #8232 of 8564
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Originally Posted by mgfred View Post


The "cannot play disc" "unknown disc" errors are from a laser problem which necessitates a replacement of the drive. This has plauged the 09FD, 51FD and 05FD models. Updating firmware will resolve some playback issues with specific BDs, but not the disc errors. My player also needed the main assy board replaced with the drive, I know of a couple of others that needed that along with the drive replacement. We're probably up to around 20+ members here in this thread that have had the 09FD drive replaced.


Fred
My BDP-09FD has been experiencing the same "unknown disc" / "can't read disc" issues for some time. Now it's finally gotten to the point where it cannot play any blu-ray, new or old. Guess I'm due for the same drive & main assembly board overhaul others have had to get done. Can you (or anyone) give me a ballpark idea of what Pioneer will charge for this out-of-warranty work? I'm in Hawaii, so packing this monster up and shipping it back and forth isn't exactly inexpensive. Are we talking $200, or $600, or what? I've loved the unit up until now -- great PQ and AQ -- but at some point it probably makes more economic sense to go with something newer. Thanks!
post #8233 of 8564
Look to pay around $400 + shipping to Pioneer. When you send it in I think you need to include a $65 check and they credit that towards the $400 drive. Now that is if only your drive needs to be replaced. Mine needed the drive and the main assym board ($1100), I was covered under warranty. Personally I feel it is a problem that should have had a recall, free of charge to fix.

Fred
post #8234 of 8564
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Originally Posted by mgfred View Post

Look to pay around $400 + shipping to Pioneer. When you send it in I think you need to include a $65 check and they credit that towards the $400 drive. Now that is if only your drive needs to be replaced. Mine needed the drive and the main assym board ($1100), I was covered under warranty. Personally I feel it is a problem that should have had a recall, free of charge to fix.
Fred
Wow, that ain't cheap. Although it obviously sounds self-serving, I certainly agree with your comment that Pioneer should cover this. The BDP-09FD was their marquee BR product, and it was clearly built to last for a very long time rather than just long enough to make it past the warranty period. From the forum postings, it seems like a good portion of these units had defective drivers and boards -- not something a buyer expects to have to deal with after forking out $2,000 to a major manufacturer. My problem was intermittent for a very long time, and I just assumed it was related to firmware. Updating usually addressed most of the bad error readings ... until it didn't. Now that my unit is essentially dead for BR use (it still plays DVD's without a hitch), I'm no longer covered by warranty. Thanks, Pioneer -- my next unit won't be one of yours.
post #8235 of 8564
I found out a year after mine was fixed it no longer plays CDs, which it did with no problem when I sent it in to be fixed. I use my DV-59AVi player mostly for music, but with all of the touting of the 09's CD suprilatives, it's not what I would expect......

Fred
post #8236 of 8564
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Originally Posted by rvmeeker View Post

...The BDP-09FD was their marquee BR product, and it was clearly built to last for a very long time rather than just long enough to make it past the warranty period. From the forum postings, it seems like a good portion of these units had defective drivers and boards -- not something a buyer expects to have to deal with after forking out $2,000 to a major manufacturer. . Thanks, Pioneer -- my next unit won't be one of yours.

I've spent a lot of money on pio products. I'm happy with most but this experience is enough to keep me from purchasing anything from them ever again.
post #8237 of 8564
Can't you just open it up and clean the head before doing anything else?
post #8238 of 8564
My 09 is also out of warranty, and though I've had no problems with it, I do (as with my other equipment) keep an eye on what's available should it fail beyond my ability or desire to have it fixed (or be stolen or damaged by accident, for that matter). The 53 and 52 don't inspire me though the prices are nice, and there are more options out there these days. The company seems headed in a different direction so I doubt there'd be another flagship-type player to come from them. I don't think anyone's making tank-like high-end products in this category now. Maybe McIntosh, but that unit (MVP891) is more than double the 09's MSRP (but it's McIntosh, and by all accounts performance, especially audio, is excellent).

I intend to hold on to my 09 for as long as I can. If it doesn't develop a problem, great. If it does, I plan to do what I believe is appropriate.
post #8239 of 8564
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Originally Posted by LL3HD View Post

I've spent a lot of money on pio products. I'm happy with most but this experience is enough to keep me from purchasing anything from them ever again.

Pioneer died 4 years ago. The devices you see now are just Sharp equipment with a Pioneer name slapped on the front panel. The 23FD and 09FD were the last of the true Pioneer Elite players. I LOVE my 09FD and wouldn't trade it for anything out there now, but if for some reason it fails on me, I won't be replacing it with a "Pioneer" player.
post #8240 of 8564
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Originally Posted by LaoChe View Post

Pioneer died 4 years ago. The devices you see now are just Sharp equipment with a Pioneer name slapped on the front panel. The 23FD and 09FD were the last of the true Pioneer Elite players. I LOVE my 09FD and wouldn't trade it for anything out there now, but if for some reason it fails on me, I won't be replacing it with a "Pioneer" player.

I know Sharp owns an interest in Pioneer, but this I didn't know. Where'd the info come from? I'd like to check it out.
post #8241 of 8564
Anyone here have an opinion on the 09 vs the Cambridge Azur 751? Think they use the same Wolfson DACS for the analogue? I would use the 7.1 analouge out connection.
post #8242 of 8564

Does anyone have any idea what these white stripes are that have suddenly appeared on my 9G Kuro (UK spec LX5090)?  The picture behind the stripes is perfect. The stripes appear across all input types (component, HDMI etc) but NOT on the PC input.  I have tried 3 different HDMI cables and two Bluray players and the stripes remain, so I am sure it is the panel and not the source/cables.

 

Any clues as to what these stripes are and how they can be fixed will be much appreciated. Thanks.

 

 

 

Don't know why image is upside down!

post #8243 of 8564
so far to date i have not expeienced anything either, i am praying it stays that way. I am hopig they release the 3D and 4k playing upgrade down the road.
post #8244 of 8564
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Originally Posted by whasaaaab View Post

so far to date i have not expeienced anything either, i am praying it stays that way. I am hopig they release the 3D and 4k playing upgrade down the road.

Impossible... for any player (more so considering the age of this player).
post #8245 of 8564
I'm no expert, but if it could be done, I'd think a 3D or 4k upgrade would require a hardware retrofit of some kind. At this point that seems unlikely. I don't know if I'd take Pioneer up on it anyway, unless there were some general preventive maintenance as part of the deal. None of my system is geared to the new formats, and I am content with what I have for now. I am looking into a new preamp, but that's another matter.
post #8246 of 8564
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

I'm no expert, but if it could be done, I'd think a 3D or 4k upgrade would require a hardware retrofit of some kind. At this point that seems unlikely. I don't know if I'd take Pioneer up on it anyway, unless there were some general preventive maintenance as part of the deal. None of my system is geared to the new formats, and I am content with what I have for now. I am looking into a new preamp, but that's another matter.

No.. it's not possible... the data for 4K exceeds dual layer disc capacity. They would have to replace the blu-ray drive to whatever format 4K would be on, probably a multi-layer player which the Pioneer drive is not capable of. Then you have to have the electronics completely redesigned to support 4K data streaming. The HDMI 1.4 spec will probably be upgraded later for 4K (providing that HDMI would still be around) throughput... Literally, they need to design a new playerfrom the ground up. It's like saying let's put a jet engine in a P51 Mustang.... Ain't gonna happen.
post #8247 of 8564
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Originally Posted by Jon S View Post

No.. it's not possible... the data for 4K exceeds dual layer disc capacity. They would have to replace the blu-ray drive to whatever format 4K would be on, probably a multi-layer player which the Pioneer drive is not capable of. Then you have to have the electronics completely redesigned to support 4K data streaming. The HDMI 1.4 spec will probably be upgraded later for 4K (providing that HDMI would still be around) throughput... Literally, they need to design a new playerfrom the ground up. It's like saying let's put a jet engine in a P51 Mustang.... Ain't gonna happen.

Thanks for the clarification. They'd have to replace so many things (not just retrofit) it would be a new player altogether. That's what I was thinking, though I may not have put it properly.
post #8248 of 8564
Good afternoon. I have the 09 and it works great w/ my Kuro 101. However, because of "budget problems" re satellite issues (aka had to get it turned off for lack of paying the bill) I had to resort to watching some old DVD's (not BD's). I have the movie "Heat" which is one of the favorites. Can someone tell me why the 09 cannot read this particular DVD, keep in mind, the OLDEST DVD that can function in the 09 (for some reason or another), to name a few, are "Replacement Killers," "Romeo must Die," "Rosewood" and my children's knock-offs from 2005. Any suggestions/comments (good one's please) would be appreciated.

Chueyson

P.S.
I did call Pioneer to see if they would issue some type of "upgrade" for 3D for the 09, for which they say "ummm, No, that is not happening." It is a bit disappointing, even more so they stop making plasma monitors. The one's now suck, in my opinion. My PRO-800 from 2003 still remains untouched with a lot of the 1080P LCD, but that's my opinion. biggrin.gif
post #8249 of 8564
Wow, some pricey repairs are mentioned - kind of scary. For that amount of $$$ you can probably go out and buy a nice used one!!! I got mines for $700 on ebay...

Anyways, I have a question for the experts, how do I propertly connect my BDP-09FD bluray player to the SC-09TX flagship receiver??? I know people are talking about using both outlets and running audio through one and video through another, but is there a "best" way to do this??? Like I notice on the bdp09 there are 7 unbalanced component outlets, is there of connecting it through that somehow that is even better than HDMI ??? I am fairly new at this so any advise would be appreciated. Running currently through one HDMI cable. BDP 09 to SC09 to PRO-151HD... if there is a better was like connecting bdp-09 to pro151 video and audio to sc09 please let me know, I would really appreciate it. I looked through the forums on both owners threads and could not find a definitive "best" way, hoping someone knows this 1...
post #8250 of 8564
Wow, some pricey repairs are mentioned - kind of scary. For that amount of $$$ you can probably go out and buy a nice used one!!! I got mines for $700 on ebay...

Anyways, I have a question for the experts, how do I propertly connect my BDP-09FD bluray player to the SC-09TX flagship receiver??? I know people are talking about using both outlets and running audio through one and video through another, but is there a "best" way to do this??? Like I notice on the bdp09 there are 7 unbalanced component outlets, is there of connecting it through that somehow that is even better than HDMI ??? I am fairly new at this so any advise would be appreciated. Running currently through one HDMI cable. BDP 09 to SC09 to PRO-151HD... if there is a better was like connecting bdp-09 to pro151 video and audio to sc09 please let me know, I would really appreciate it. I looked through the forums on both owners threads and could not find a definitive "best" way, hoping someone knows this 1...
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